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bulldogbaja

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6 months ago, most of the posters on here couldn't even stand up because of their boners for Houston Nutt. I heard things like top 5 coach in the country, best coach in the SEC, etc. Arkansas was crazy for letting him go (although a coach of his caliber could NEVER be fired...) and Ole Miss had gone and gotten them their very own Pete Carroll/Urban Meyer/Nick Saban/etc.

Where are you people now? What say you?
 

bulldogbaja

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6 months ago, most of the posters on here couldn't even stand up because of their boners for Houston Nutt. I heard things like top 5 coach in the country, best coach in the SEC, etc. Arkansas was crazy for letting him go (although a coach of his caliber could NEVER be fired...) and Ole Miss had gone and gotten them their very own Pete Carroll/Urban Meyer/Nick Saban/etc.

Where are you people now? What say you?
 

bulldogbaja

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6 months ago, most of the posters on here couldn't even stand up because of their boners for Houston Nutt. I heard things like top 5 coach in the country, best coach in the SEC, etc. Arkansas was crazy for letting him go (although a coach of his caliber could NEVER be fired...) and Ole Miss had gone and gotten them their very own Pete Carroll/Urban Meyer/Nick Saban/etc.

Where are you people now? What say you?
 

GBryne4Heisman

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Nutt's most successful years would be the first 2 he was at Ole Miss. The talent they HAD when he got there, won't ever be matched under him IMO. Their recruiting class right now has slipped, certainly from when O was there. Love Orgeron or hate him, the guy can stockpile talent, and Nutt walked into a gold mine.

I'm not saying Nutt won't ever be any good at UM, I'm just saying he won't ever have as talented of a team as they had last year or this year.
 

MrHooch

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but you are aware that you're on an MSU message board, right? the OM board is that way... ------------->
 

Shmuley

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and I will admit that I thought, like 99% of the rebelettes, that he would change his ways after the Arky fiasco. But it is apparent that trouble finds that weird MFer wherever he goes. He can't help himself.

Having said that, he always operates best when the expectations are low. Everybody points out that they are losing a shitload of players this year and should be way down next year. Well, this seems to be the situation where he shows up.
 

Dental Dawg

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I never thought they would win the west. I thought they had a better chance of jerking off Mike the Tiger with a hand full of cockleburs than going to Atlanta. Guess I was right!
 

bulldogbaja

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The entire place had Nutt-mania. Denying that is even worse than saying they were ever a legit top-10 team.
 

Hanmudog

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Not saying it didn't happen but it does not surprise me in the least that Nutt is struggling when his team has high expectations. Reminds me alot of the year he had McPhadden and Jones at Arkansas. He is a good coach, certainly better than Orgeron, but I think Mullen will end up cleaning Nutt's clock in recruiting over the years. I think last season will probably be the best that Ole Miss can hope for under Nutt.
 

VirgilCain

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it always seems that right before they experience a total collapse something falls into their lap to keep their head above water.
 

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bulldogbaja said:
The entire place had Nutt-mania. Denying that is even worse than saying they were ever a legit top-10 team.
I don't recall this either. There were some who said it was a good hire, and that still may turn out to be true, but aside from people like ArrowDawg (who is a raving lunatic) I thought it was more of a "good coach, bad recruiter" kind of vibe. I know personally I thought it was the best hire they were gonna get but that ultimately he would lose the recruiting war. That was before Mullen showed he was a good recruiter and made a commitment to focus on Mississippi so I think the Nutt is going to descend even faster now.
 

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...the general consensus on this board was that Nutt is a good coach and had walked into a good situation and because of the talent that was there and their high school schedule, his team had a real chance of winning the division. I was definitely concerned about that happening. But I can tell you right now that nobody on this board was comparing Nutt to Saban and Meyer in any seriousness. And nobody said he was the best coach in the SEC or a top 5 coach in the country. That's all just made up by you. People were concerned that they could win the division and sneak into a BCS game this year, but that's it. Way to just pull a bunch of lies out of your ***.

I still feel like he is a solid coach and will keep them competitive, but since they have fallen flat this year, I really don't worry about them on the national landscape anymore. He won't be able to recruit to OM like he could in Arkansas, and they'll remain a middle of the pack SEC team.
 

Dental Dawg

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Please reference my thread. I can assure you "No Nutt-mania" here. I think they are a decent team with talent. I also think the "Meltdown" does not fall on Nutt as much as it does on Snead. Anyway, there is still lots of football left to be played. In closing, I would like to say (17) the Rebels and I hope they lose out.</p>
 

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stripes very often. I agree that he is at his best when expectations are low; he thrives on that situation and can motivate well in that environment.
 

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Don't be surprised if they pull a left tackle and a guard or two out of their asses somehow. Someone will transfer from another school or they will get the juco left tackle that is committed to lsu to switch. Judges aren't the only people that they are good at buying.
 

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...after Nutt had an outstanding first season @ OM, predictably, Nutt's success was used by people on this board as a battering ram to smear & ridicule the MSU program.

That's more in line with what you are trying to articulate.

But since Nutt is tanking in his second season, a new reality is emerging on this board.

A reality that paints Nutt as a failure all along, & definitely nobody on this board has ever been guilty of kissing Nutt's ***.

My take on Nutt from the beginning was this: "Thank God this man is not coaching Miss. State."
 

futaba.79

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has been throwing up.

Can I send you a tape? You can watch it in slow motion and let me know what you think.
 

SLUdog

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I'll say that I predicted the Rebs to be 10-2 and have a great shot at the West. (*I hoped they would fall on their face) The Rebs still have a realistic shot to win the rest of their games. They will play better at home vs. UT & LSU. They lost two SEC road games against pretty good teams and a top 5 team with an incredible D. I hope they finish 6-6 with a very bad loss to us.
 

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When we hired Mullen I think most of us started to feel that it would just be a matter of time until Mullen would overtake Nutt..
 

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Only an Arky fan would say that Nutt +%$#%+ up Arkansas whole football program.

Im not defending Nutt, but to say he +%$#%+ the whole program up?

That is total ********.
 

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75-48 (42-38) = Nutt's record at UArk. MState fans would erect a statue of a coach who was this good. Check out the Hogs' record before Nutt arrived.
 

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......then you'd recall I was one of the very few people early this year who scoffed at the notion of Ole Miss having some sort of immaculate season. Some Ole Miss people, as well as a few MSU people on this very board, were toutng them and pointing to the number of starters they were returning, while I on the other hand was pointing to the specific positions they lost.........particularly on the OL. Unfortunately intelligence, common sense, and facts don't matter around here, so why should I give a flying **** whether anyone remembers what I said one day or the next, or a few months later? I don't.
 

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Hanmudog said:
Not saying it didn't happen but it does not surprise me in the least that Nutt is struggling when his team has high expectations. Reminds me alot of the year he had McPhadden and Jones at Arkansas. He is a good coach, certainly better than Orgeron, but I think Mullen will end up cleaning Nutt's clock in recruiting over the years. I think last season will probably be the best that Ole Miss can hope for under Nutt.

This one is one of the biggest misconceptions I've seen, and it started with the Arkansas fans.

Arkansas's offense was statistically better in 2007 than it was in 2006. The reason Arkansas failed to meet the expectations (according to Arkansas fans) in 2007 is because the defense lost a lot of key contributors from the 2006 squad, and their defense took a step back. As an aside, Arkansas was picked around preseason No. 20 in 2007, and when Nutt left prior to the bowl game, they were ranked No. 25. They were not projected to be a BCS contender that year like many Arkansas fans think they were/should have been.

Think of the Arkansas crazies like you think of Alabama crazies. In other words, little knowledge or understanding of football but a batshit crazy devotion. They won the West and went 10-4 in 2006 with all 4 losses coming to teams that finished in the Top 5 (teams 1, 3, 4, and 5 in the final polls). In 2007, because they returned their 2 star players, Jones and McPhadden, they automatically assumed they should be competing for a BCS title. Forget the fact that they took a big hit defensively in their personnel. The offense was actually better in 2007 than it was in 2006, but unfortunately for Arkansas fans, McPhadden and Jones couldn't play defense too.

In a way, it was a lot like some of our fans ignoring the losses of 3 OL starters in making a projection for a 2009 BCS bowl. I'll admit I drank some of the Kool-Aid, but I wasn't projecting an SEC title or BCS bowl.

By the way, did anyone ever notice that Nutt's only two trips to the SEC title game came in Years 5 and 9 of his tenure at Arkansas? I know he's not known for his recruiting, but two of his best seasons at Arkansas came with his own recruits, which sort of dispels the myth that Nutt can't win with his own recruits. I honestly feel like we are on a path where we will be in better shape for 2012 than we were for 2009 if Nutt continues to recruit like he is. We won't be projected as high that year, but I believe we will have a deeper and better overall team that will outperform this year's team.
 

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TwoForTheMoney said:
how can you say nutt was a good hire for ole miss? he completly 17ed up arkansas whole football program.

In 10 years, 8 bowl bids (5 of them traditional NYD bowl bids), a just over .500 SEC record and two trips to the SEC title game along with a 3rd shared West title. Yep, Arkansas was really 17ed over by that guy. I'll admit the guy was far from perfect. He didn't win an SEC title or make it to a BCS bowl, but there aren't many coaches that will do that at a program that's only a half step above Ole Miss and MSU and a program that isn't one of the upper echelon programs of the SEC. I'll also admit I wasn't thrilled about the hire, but if he matches the results he had at Arkansas during his tenure at Ole Miss, I'll take it all day.
 

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I assume he is talking about posts like these:

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http://sixpackspeak.yuku.com/reply/206338/t/2009-MSU-Football-thoughts-.html#reply-206338
<span style="font-weight: bold;" class="post-title">MSU is going 2-10, 3-9 at best this year, and possibly 1-11. I say that because..........</span>
.....I wouldn't even count on MTSU being a win. It's a road game, and MTSU has given teams from BCS conferences a tough time in the past. MSU only beat them by 9 in Starkville last year. I still think MSU will win, but you never know. So anyway, MSU will go anywhere from 1-11 to 3-9.

A new coaching staff, a new philosophy, and a new "Spread the Fun" slogan are all fine and good, but they won't translate to wins at MSU. This is a losing program, always has been and always will be. There will be the occasional winning season blip on the radar in the middle of a sea of losing seasons, but nothing to really brag about. The reality is that Ole Miss is the only program in this state that has any chance of sustaining success and competing for titles in the SEC. Title contention won't happen often for them, but they'll get more opportunities over a 20-year period than MSU will get over 100 years. They have the resources, the media backing, and the drive/desire to win in football that MSU has never had. They'll do whatever it takes. They may never be one of the "elite" SEC teams on a regular basis, but at least they aspire to be. That's why they're a pre-season top 10 SEC contender this year. I expect them to make it to Atlanta. Don't know if they'll win the championship, but they'll have a shot. If they do win the SEC Championship and/or make it to the BCS title game, that'll just about do in any fleeting hope that MSU fans have left. Nevermind whether or not the MSU football team is winning. You won't even be able to wake up in the morning and go to work without having someone or something remind you that Ole Miss is a champion, and MSU football is still going through it's perennial "rebuilding" mode. That's not to mention how difficult it'll be to convince top recruits to stay away from a championship program in Oxford. I think Dan Mullen is and will be a great head coach one day, but he chose the wrong program if he expects to have any real success anytime soon. Hopefully his time at MSU won't damage what potential future employers think of his coaching ability.

Honestly, my entire outlook and attitude about everything has changed drastically over the last few months. I actually look forward to Ole Miss having a great year and finally doing in MSU football once and for all. That way I won't ever have to worry about getting my hopes up again for a program that does nothing but bore you half to death and let you down time and time again after wasting a few more dollars and hours of your time in the Fall.

And don't even throw that "pessimist" word at me anymore. This is actually just honesty. It's the most honest thing I've ever said on any message board. In this case, honesty and truth go hand-in-hand.
http://sixpackspeak.yuku.com/reply/203369/t/Today-s-You-Make-the-Call.html#reply-203369<span style="font-weight: bold;">
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<span class="post-title"><span style="font-weight: bold;">No. Winning a national championship in basketball would be great, but it would be completely........</span>
</span>..........overshadowed by a football national title at Ole Miss. You know it, I know it, we all know it. You'd never know MSU won the NCAA Tourney when every time you turn around you're hearing or seeing something that reminds you about Ole Miss' national championship glory. That, and all the money, top recruiting classes, etc. that follow it and totally annihilate what's left of MSU football.

Now if you're implying that MSU should accept and embrace "basketball school" status, then that's fine if that happens. I just won't hang around for it. I love basketball, but football was my first love and it's always what inspires me more than any other sport. I think the same is true for most sports fans in this area. I'll have to literally force myself to become a Rebel fan if we don't get our **** together in football under Dan Mullen, or if the Rebs kill our program by default by winning an SEC and/or BCS title. I'll have to consult with the Reb fans in my family on how to think like a Reb. I don't want it to come to that, of course, but I'm getting older, more tired, more cynical, and I don't have the patience for this **** anymore. Every year MSU fans tell themselves to "wait another year or two," but at 17ing Ole Miss you can somehow pull your first winning season in 5 years out of your ***(during your new coach's first year) and then be branded a top 10 team competing for an SEC and BCS title the following year. Amazing how that **** works. Well I don't have the 17ing patience for it anymore. I expect 17ing Dan Mullen to 17ing win NOW.

Yes, I'm a schizoid these days. That's what MSU football has done to me
 

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Are you suicidal or hypocritical? You seem to be a crazy concoction of both.
 

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I remember specifically stating that they had hired David Cuttcliffe 2.0. Once the Orgeron talent leaves, they will win 6-8 games most years with a few 4 win seasons mixed in. Basically, he will do what Cutt did. Eventually they will get tired of that and fire him. The cycle will repeat. They simply cannot help themselves.
 

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RebelBruiser said:
Think of the Arkansas crazies like you think of Alabama crazies. In other words, little knowledge or understanding of football but a batshit crazy devotion. They won the West and went 10-4 in 2006 with all 4 losses coming to teams that finished in the Top 5 (teams 1, 3, 4, and 5 in the final polls). In 2007, because they returned their 2 star players, Jones and McPhadden, they automatically assumed they should be competing for a BCS title. Forget the fact that they took a big hit defensively in their personnel. The offense was actually better in 2007 than it was in 2006, but unfortunately for Arkansas fans, McPhadden and Jones couldn't play defense too.

In a way, it was a lot like some of our fans ignoring the losses of 3 OL starters in making a projection for a 2009 BCS bowl. I'll admit I drank some of the Kool-Aid, but I wasn't projecting an SEC title or BCS bowl.

By the way, did anyone ever notice that Nutt's only two trips to the SEC title game came in Years 5 and 9 of his tenure at Arkansas? I know he's not known for his recruiting, but two of his best seasons at Arkansas came with his own recruits, which sort of dispels the myth that Nutt can't win with his own recruits. I honestly feel like we are on a path where we will be in better shape for 2012 than we were for 2009 if Nutt continues to recruit like he is. We won't be projected as high that year, but I believe we will have a deeper and better overall team that will outperform this year's team.
1) You see, Nutt is the head coach, not just the offensive coordinator, so he is responsible for the defense, too. Since the defense didn't have guys ready to step in and perform, that falls on him.

2) Didn't learn your lesson from last year, did you? I told people all along that with Mike Wallace and Oher gone y'all's offense was gonna struggle. Now, all you've got is McCluster, and he'll be gone, too, and you expect to be better? What in the world gives you that idea?
 

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RebelBruiser said:
Think of the Arkansas crazies like you think of Alabama crazies. In other words, little knowledge or understanding of football but a batshit crazy devotion. They won the West and went 10-4 in 2006 with all 4 losses coming to teams that finished in the Top 5 (teams 1, 3, 4, and 5 in the final polls). In 2007, because they returned their 2 star players, Jones and McPhadden, they automatically assumed they should be competing for a BCS title. Forget the fact that they took a big hit defensively in their personnel. The offense was actually better in 2007 than it was in 2006, but unfortunately for Arkansas fans, McPhadden and Jones couldn't play defense too.

In a way, it was a lot like some of our fans ignoring the losses of 3 OL starters in making a projection for a 2009 BCS bowl. I'll admit I drank some of the Kool-Aid, but I wasn't projecting an SEC title or BCS bowl.

By the way, did anyone ever notice that Nutt's only two trips to the SEC title game came in Years 5 and 9 of his tenure at Arkansas? I know he's not known for his recruiting, but two of his best seasons at Arkansas came with his own recruits, which sort of dispels the myth that Nutt can't win with his own recruits. I honestly feel like we are on a path where we will be in better shape for 2012 than we were for 2009 if Nutt continues to recruit like he is. We won't be projected as high that year, but I believe we will have a deeper and better overall team that will outperform this year's team.
1) You see, Nutt is the head coach, not just the offensive coordinator, so he is responsible for the defense, too. Since the defense didn't have guys ready to step in and perform, that falls on him.

2) Didn't learn your lesson from last year, did you? I told people all along that with Mike Wallace and Oher gone y'all's offense was gonna struggle. Now, all you've got is McCluster, and he'll be gone, too, and you expect to be better? What in the world gives you that idea?

I don't disagree with your first statement. However, the point was that just because you return your two best offensive players doesn't mean you will be better the next year. You also have a defense as well, and if your defense takes a step back, you won't be a better team. Arkansas fans ignore the defense when they talk about what their expectations should've been for 2007, and they do that because their an irrational fanbase. Also, at a school like Arkansas, you aren't going to be able to just plug in players and keep going, because the recruiting base isn't strong enough. You're going to have years where you have to play young players, and in those years you won't be as good. That's the way it works when you only have players for 4 years. Even the best teams have to overcome youth and key personnel losses. Florida next year will be a good example. They won't be a national title contender next year because of all the experinece they lose.

On your second point, you didn't read my post closely enough. I'm not talking about next year. Next year we're going to be young and inexperienced. We're going to take a step back next year, and I understand that. I was talking about 2012. That's the year when I expect us to have a fully stocked team with depth, talent, and experience based on the way we are currently recruiting and what Nutt's first two classes have shown so far. We have a big gap in our team right now for 3 reasons. First, Orgeron didn't redshirt many players from our 2006 class, so we'll only have 5 fifth year seniors in 2010. Second, his 2007 class was a nightmare with attrition. We'll only have 8 scholarship players left from that class next year. And the third thing is, Nutt redshirted over half of his 2008 class, which means we will only have a handful of 3rd year juniors next year. We'll be really young next year with roughly 25 scholarship juniors and seniors combined, but by 2012, we should have a lot of experience, and I believe that 2012 team will be deeper and better overall than this year's team. Depending on how well players develop next season, we could be pretty good in 2011 as well.

All I'm saying is that the idea that 2009 will be as good as it will get doesn't jive with Nutt's history.
 

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many have already done.
most of the posters on here couldn't even stand up because of their boners for Houston Nutt
The large majority of this board only gave him begrudging and slight credit for having a good year while, at the same time, pointing out weaknesses. And, that was done against the backdrop of the final days of the Croom era.
 

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