Yes Division 1 coaches are always forthcoming. You know Nick Saban never left Miami. This is your argument? I don't think Dowell Loggains was the #1 choice. I never will. I doubt you do. What is Beamer going to say, "Yes we offered the job to X, Y, and Z, and all of the flatly said no?" Beamer has to pump up Loggains, because Loggains' resume reads like failure.
I'm not sounding the alarm over Riley+Klubnik...yet
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This is simple, and happens often. The parties talk prior to any official offer. That way the official offer doesn't go out till everyone is in agreement.
So we will probably never know for sure if we went after him, but we never officially offered.
I personally think the short-term prospect of Riley sticking around had a lot do with it! So, I do not think Beamer is lying and was looking long term instead of the splash route.
My speculation is that Briles was Beamer's target.No proof; just speculation. There was some talk that Briles and Pittman had a falling out. Thus, Beamer went after him. When Briles decided to stay after he got a nice raise, Briles convinced Beamer that Loggains would equally get the job done for us. That has been my thought from the get-go. And I'm sticking to it.
Maybe he didn't have to turn us down.
Maybe and I hope it all works out, but the optics of Dowell Loggains just makes us look so weak. Whether he is good or bad, we hired a guy that has been called the worst offensive coordinator in the NFL. Whether it is true or not is to be determined, but the look is just not good.
I won't disagree with you there. I was not in favor of hiring Loggains. It should be noted I was not in favor of hiring Beamer either. But Shane appears to be working out. I would just keep in mind that the NFL, for whatever reason, is a different animal from college ball. The Rams hired a successful OC from Kentucky who failed in the NFL. There's a "Who's Who" list of great college coaches who had lackluster results or did not come close to matching their collegiate greatness in the NFL: Bud Wilkinson, Dan Devine, Nick Saban and Steve Spurrier. There are others I am sure. But those 4 come quickly to mind.
I doubt he is lying. He didn't offer Riley because he knew the asking price would be out of range. That made Dowell the best choice available, thus got "our" man.
We have not had the first practice and you are worried Clemons OC......WOW!
Rumors, so fwiw. But now Briles looks to be heading to TCU. If you believe in any kind of curse, Loggains will go to Arkansas as OC.
1) Seems odd that Briles would morph from Beamer's target to his advisor.
2) If Briles had decided to stay at Arky and thought highly of Loggains, wouldn't he want Loggains to stay at Arky as well?
I'm not sure what Miami you're talking about, but the Canes went 5-7 and didn't make a bowl game. They got blown out at home by Middle Tennessee, Duke, Florida State, and Pittsburgh.
Do we really think Rattler wanted to play for the brother of the guy that benched him??? Screw the Riley’s, screw Clemson, screw Dabo, and screw Klubnik. Go Cocks!
I don't think #1 is that odd. "I'm not interested in leaving arky, but you should really take a look at this guy. He's ready to move up, etc etc. I trust him, and would hate to lose him, but he's ready, yadda yadda"
As for #2, it might have been that he knew Loggains would move on eventually, and was helping him into a good situation.
But all of that blows up if Briles is really leaving around for tcu.
Do you all think Arky would want to hire Loggains if Briles leaves, Loggains going back to his alma mater?
Honestly, no. But it would just be another example of pathetic luck, or "the garnet way".
We could, IF we were serious about competing with the best in football.
Means NOTHING. I won't name names. But I used to work with a guy, a good friend, who went on to work in athletic administration. He eventually became an AD at a mid-major collegiate school. At a school where he was Assoc. AD, he told me that the Athletic Director there basically harassed their SID to get him on a list of the best ADs in the nation My friend told me there was no rhyme or reason for those rankings. He said it was pure lobbying by the schools. That AD did get in the rankings of the best ADs in the nation. That AD eventually became an AD at a P5 university and got fired. I forget now why he got fired.
Clemson has a reputation for paying its coordinators a lot of money. They were probably the first to pay million plus. Chad Morris. Garrett is getting $1.75mm a year at Clemson. Loggains is getting about $1 mm at SC, i.e. 57% as much. Venables had been raised to $2.5mm a year before leaving for OU.
What do you know about good looks?
Shades of SOS with that writer the state paper employed
Probably couldn't....big question as to who the architect of that offense is.....a new young OC or a seasoned offensive HC who has multiple successful offenses at different schools.
So you are calling Frank McGuire, Nick Saban and SOS juvenile and immature? They plus many other coaches too numerous to name have called out media critics and given them a well deserved tongue lashing. Didn’t bother me a bit nor does this clemson hire til there is a proven reason to be upset. Let’s see how it plays it before all the hysteria.
You have to look at the different situations between USC and Clemson. Clemson is in the ACC, they don't have to have the best OC or DC in the country to win their conference, and not even top 5 recruiting classes. It's honestly pretty embarrassing how bad the ACC has been the past 10 years, maybe Fl St and Miami will make a comeback but when? Look at Clemson the past two years, weaknesses in several areas, yet they still won 10 and 11 games respectively. So Clemson has 9 automatic wins and an automatic playoff berth every year, once it expands. USC on the other hand needs top-notch coaches and needs to land some top players in the country if they are ever going to compete at the top level of the SEC and ever have a chance at making the playoffs.
The good news is that Spurrier proved that South Carolina making the 12-team playoffs is VERY doable.
BTW, The Stew and Bruce podcast The Audible referred to the South Carolina football program as a "Sleeping Giant".
We have one of the best up and rising college football coaches in the country. We need to trust his decision on hires. He spoke to Sean Payton and Bill Parcells about our guy. Spencer likes him too. We'll see how it all works out. If Riley works out well at Clemson, he probably won't be there there before he gets a HC job. Think we are going to have a big year next year. We'll see how all of it plays out.
It may be doable if we have an extraordinary season, but I don't think Spurrier proved that it is. With the "political" playoff expansion, there also comes the "political" rankings, and if you don't think the way the teams are ranked will be affected, then I would strongly disagree. I believe that even in the years when USC won 11 games, there were still at least 3 SEC teams ranked above us, and you can forget 4 SEC teams being in the playoffs. That will be as they used to say "nipped in the bud" and it will be accomplished in how they change the way they rank the teams. Please don't trust the playoff committee or any of the decisionmakers.
This site did a backtested study and found that South Carolina would have made a 12-team playoff twice under Spurrier. I believe we can agree that Beamer has significantly overachieved in each of his 2 seasons here. And his recruiting has improved each year here. This year's class is ranked 17th by this service (16th by the 247 service), with every reason to expect it will improve even more after this season's on-the-field results. The program appears to be getting national respect (to be called a "sleeping giant"). If his first two seasons here are any indication, with Beamer leading the program, I like our chances to make the playoffs in the future, considering the momentum currently in the program. And when they inevitably go to a 16-team playoff, I will like our chances even more so.
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I'm not saying we can't make the playoffs, I'm saying the models, the so-called "backtested study", whatever that is, would not have included the new way they will determine the rankings, it couldn't have. So while we possibly could have been ranked in the top 12 in 2011-2012 that doesn't mean we will or that we would have been under the new system, it will all change. I hope we get to the playoffs one day, it is a start, but that can't be a final goal. I am fully supportive of Beamer and what he has done the first two years, Muschamp left a disaster, but we are miles and miles away from where UGA and Bama are, and a 16th ranking in recruiting with 6 SEC teams ahead of us won't close that gap. I'm not being negative at all, just realistic.
I loved his tweet, nothing wrong with correcting the media. I saw it as defending his OC, part of his staff, I'd have been disappointed if Beamer hadn't responded.
That I agree with. I don't believe we can ever out-recruit UGA, BAMA and some of the others in the SEC, consistently anyway. I think my thought process there is realistic, too, unfortunately. I'd like to believe that Shane will overachieve with the talent he puts on the field. His first two seasons here give me hope that he will do just that. As Churchill once said, "The future is unknowable, but the past should give us hope". If he can continue upgrading the talent, that, too, gives hope. His Dad, Frank, was never a great recruiter. He was a good recruiter. But, his forte was "coaching". I believe that Shane is proving to be a "chip off the old block" when it comes to "coaching". That being said, I THINK Shane is a stronger recruiter than Frank was. BUT, I believe that if Shane is going to make South Carolina nationally relevant, he is going to have to do it by outcoaching opponents. They used to say that "Bear Bryant can beat you with his players. And he can take your players and beat his". Hopefully, Shane will show that kind of coaching ability.
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If we ever do make the playoffs, I hope it's because we are legit and ranked in the top 4 teams. I'm not interested in make-believe playoff appearances.
