I'm Officially Done. Cannot Trust the Climb Anymore. $$$ and Piece Out***

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I’m officially apathetic towards the football program. I realize it’s doubtful Brown gets canned this year and he will probably be back next year. I’ll continue watching and supporting this year but won’t waste my time or money when he returns next year.
 

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Wvu has to take the pill and fire him. At this point the money losses in ticket sales will start among other things. Wren should be sitting down and getting Neal to agree to a lower buyout. He has not honored his contract in the way that he is competent at what he was hired to do.
 

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Wvu has to take the pill and fire him. At this point the money losses in ticket sales will start among other things. Wren should be sitting down and getting Neal to agree to a lower buyout. He has not honored his contract in the way that he is competent at what he was hired to do.
Ticket sales are not as big a concern anymore due to TV and media contracts shelling out millions upon millions to teams in conference.

Now the Big donors pulling out is a different story all together.

Once again have been told that the money is there Wren and Gee just have to give the say so.

I didn't believe it before either but this is from a very reliable source on the BL.
 

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We could still bounce back and win 4 out of 5, but I think the Houston debacle and today's 4th quarter collapse have exposed some real weaknesses. At this point, our ceiling is seven wins, and that may be optimistic. If we go .500 or worse, it's time for Brown to go, buyout or not. Buy once, cry once.
 
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Wouldn’t blame anyone for bailing on this program. Clown Brown has destroyed it and has no idea how to fix it. After all, there are no “Coaching Winning College Football for Dummies” books out there. None of us has to follow WVU football, donate to it, root for it, attend games or watch it on TV. It’s our choice and Clown Brown has made cleaning the gutters and raking leaves on Saturdays an attractive alternative to watching this garbage WVU is giving us. Then again, some people like watching a train wreck.
 

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Wouldn’t blame anyone for bailing on this program. Clown Brown has destroyed it and has no idea how to fix it. After all, there are no “Coaching Winning College Football for Dummies” books out there. None of us has to follow WVU football, donate to it, root for it, attend games or watch it on TV. It’s our choice and Clown Brown has made cleaning the gutters and raking leaves on Saturdays an attractive alternative to watching this garbage WVU is giving us. Then again, some people like watching a train wreck.
I watch them. Don't like what I see but I watch. Have been since the mid 60's.

If you don't want to watch that's fine and your right. But don't come here bitching if you don't support and or watch anymore.
 

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Wouldn’t blame anyone for bailing on this program. Clown Brown has destroyed it and has no idea how to fix it. After all, there are no “Coaching Winning College Football for Dummies” books out there. None of us has to follow WVU football, donate to it, root for it, attend games or watch it on TV. It’s our choice and Clown Brown has made cleaning the gutters and raking leaves on Saturdays an attractive alternative to watching this garbage WVU is giving us. Then again, some people like watching a train wreck.

I watch them. Don't like what I see but I watch. Have been since the mid 60's.

If you don't want to watch that's fine and your right. But don't come here bitching if you don't support and or watch anymore.
Every program goes through cycles. We will win again. Most likely with another HC.
 

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Every program goes through cycles. We will win again. Most likely with another HC.
WVU has been on a downward slope for the past 16 years now. Brown has us at rock bottom and in a mud hole.

Need to be careful this cycle doesn't last another 30 years.
 
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I do believe better days are ahead. But I also believe fans expectations need to be reduced and behavior needs to improve. In today's college football world, it takes a talent rich area and money rich environment to get players. Greatest coach ever existed won't win without players. And West Virginia is not in a talent rich area and can't compete with many top programs with money. Fake fans that are constantly bitching need to find something else to do.
 

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Utah is not a talent rich area and it does well every year.
You don't know much about SLC and surrounding area. And they have a ton of money. Need to try and think of another example because that was a big fail if you are trying to make a point.
 

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I do believe better days are ahead. But I also believe fans expectations need to be reduced and behavior needs to improve. In today's college football world, it takes a talent rich area and money rich environment to get players. Greatest coach ever existed won't win without players. And West Virginia is not in a talent rich area and can't compete with many top programs with money. Fake fans that are constantly bitching need to find something else to do.
Yeah. While I understand in the era of NIL, programs like WVU took a big hit towards annually competing on a national level. That said, penciling teams like Houston as a guaranteed win in year 1 of their conference affiliation shouldn’t be unrealistic. Certainly 8 wins this year shouldn’t have been unrealistic.
 

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Yeah. While I understand in the era of NIL, programs like WVU took a big hit towards annually competing on a national level. That said, penciling teams like Houston as a guaranteed win in year 1 of their conference affiliation shouldn’t be unrealistic. Certainly 8 wins this year shouldn’t have been unrealistic.
Don't disagree at all. But still have to play 60 minutes and give full effort the entire time as these games are tough. Unfortunately have lost the last two. Let's hope the team can turn it around. I know I will be supporting the team to do their best and not act like a panty-wipe like some that just posted.
 

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Ticket sales are not as big a concern anymore due to TV and media contracts shelling out millions upon millions to teams in conference.

Now the Big donors pulling out is a different story all together.

Once again have been told that the money is there Wren and Gee just have to give the say so.

I didn't believe it before either but this is from a very reliable source on the BL.
Don't count on "big donors". They are being leaned on for a lot of current budget issues at WVU. Football wins and losses have fallen down the list of needs and have to areas. However, if a new coach...read into this a popular name...accepts a low ball deal while Brown alters his payout then...could be a happening.
 

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This job has Rich Rod's name all over it and we all know it. Someone may have to get Bru/Vga a box of tampons though... she'll need them.
 

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Yeah. While I understand in the era of NIL, programs like WVU took a big hit towards annually competing on a national level. That said, penciling teams like Houston as a guaranteed win in year 1 of their conference affiliation shouldn’t be unrealistic. Certainly 8 wins this year shouldn’t have been unrealistic.
I'm sure every other program in the conference had that same mindset even moreso considering WVU was picked to finish last. The entitlement attitude of some of our fans is remarkable.
 
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I'm sure every other program in the conference had that same mindset even moreso considering WVU was picked to finish last. The entitlement attitude of some of our fans is remarkable.
It is not entitlement and you miss the point of most fans' dissent. We have a head coach in his 5th year and his biggest accomplishment is a 6 win season with weak bowl win over Army by a few points. The fact that WVU was picked dead last in a conference that includes BYU, UCF, Cincy, Houston, Kansas, KSU, TCU and ISU is precisely because we have a HC with no accomplishments nor any signs of getting some soon. 10 years ago being a doormat to ALL of those programs mentioned above would have been unfathomable to WVU. So the "entitled" fans are not upset that WVU is not having a great season despite being at a disadvantage. Rather we are upset because WVU should not be so disadvantaged in the first place. And the fact that Brown is not exceeding that abysmal expectation in any significant way during his 5th campaign shows he is not a HC worth keeping at WVU.
 

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It is not entitlement and you miss the point of most fans' dissent. We have a head coach in his 5th year and his biggest accomplishment is a 6 win season with weak bowl win over Army by a few points. The fact that WVU was picked dead last in a conference that includes BYU, UCF, Cincy, Houston, Kansas, KSU, TCU and ISU is precisely because we have a HC with no accomplishments nor any signs of getting some soon. 10 years ago being a doormat to ALL of those programs mentioned above would have been unfathomable to WVU. So the "entitled" fans are not upset that WVU is not having a great season despite being at a disadvantage. Rather we are upset because WVU should not be so disadvantaged in the first place. And the fact that Brown is not exceeding that abysmal expectation in any significant way during his 5th campaign shows he is not a HC worth keeping at WVU.
It isn't 10 years ago. It is now. To have the mindset we are greater than any program just because is stupid. Are we under performing? Yes. Is it because we should be greater? No. We are underperforming because we have good players with little depth and make way too many mistakes for 60 minutes on most Saturdays. Is that a coaching problem? Yes, the coaching staff is responsible.
 

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It isn't 10 years ago. It is now. To have the mindset we are greater than any program just because is stupid. Are we under performing? Yes. Is it because we should be greater? No. We are underperforming because we have good players with little depth and make way too many mistakes for 60 minutes on most Saturdays. Is that a coaching problem? Yes, the coaching staff is responsible.
You know what is really stupid? Making a second account (VGA) to whine with because you have mental issues is really stupid.

No one said WVU was greater than any other program, you fkn goon. Show me where any single fan has said that, ever? You are just a cry baby karen and you're mad because you are wrong about Brown, after coming in with your other account trying to be the Neal crusaders of the message board in the offseason. You were going to save the program from the horrible bad mouthing fans. Darf darf darf... gtfo. WVU would be worse than they are now if you had anything to do with it.
 

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Dude, show your immature *** all you want. I won't engage with you. But please realize I have been a member of this board and mostly on the OT board since inception. Quit the BS of your warped accusations and just stick to being a dickhead if you wish.
 

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Dude, show your immature *** all you want. I won't engage with you. But please realize I have been a member of this board and mostly on the OT board since inception. Quit the BS of your warped accusations and just stick to being a dickhead if you wish.
Please realize what? That you feel entitled? I dont care what you did on this message board. You can block me with both of your accounts if you cant handle my dislike of Brown and my love of WVU football lol. You certainly know where the block button is by now dont you? You have been trolling me for months with both of your accounts. You've been butthurt since the summer at fans who are done with Neal Brown. I dont care that you love Brown, but you care that I dont lol. I never started **** with you, but I will play your name calling game, and that bothers you lol. Fk off weenie.
 

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I do believe better days are ahead. But I also believe fans expectations need to be reduced and behavior needs to improve. In today's college football world, it takes a talent rich area and money rich environment to get players. Greatest coach ever existed won't win without players. And West Virginia is not in a talent rich area and can't compete with many top programs with money. Fake fans that are constantly bitching need to find something else to do.
That’s only a matter of perceived perception. Yes, WV as a state lacks the number of quality football talent needed to compete at this level. However, as Huggins once said, Morgantown sits within a short drive to many major metropolitan areas like Pittsburgh, Baltimore, DC, Columbus, Richmond, Roanoke etc. There’s a lot of talent in all the bordering states. The solution is to find a quality HC who can sell the WVU brand to these recruits. Nehlen, Rodriguez, and even Bill Stewart were successful in this.
 

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That’s only a matter of perceived perception. Yes, WV as a state lacks the number of quality football talent needed to compete at this level. However, as Huggins once said, Morgantown sits within a short drive to many major metropolitan areas like Pittsburgh, Baltimore, DC, Columbus, Richmond, Roanoke etc. There’s a lot of talent in all the bordering states. The solution is to find a quality HC who can sell the WVU brand to these recruits. Nehlen, Rodriguez, and even Bill Stewart were successful in this.
I don't disagree at all with this comment and Huggins previous comment. But it is hard and takes time to build relationships recruiting outside of one's backyard. And it is much tougher now as money is the most important tool in recruiting in this today's environment. I expect a coach to do well in recruiting but turning over coaches every 4-5 years will lead to nothing. Need to get the right coach and keep him. Is Brown the right coach? Many on here think he isn't. But just firing him and bringing in another doesn't mean things will get better in terms of wins and losses immediately.
 

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I don't disagree at all with this comment and Huggins previous comment. But it is hard and takes time to build relationships recruiting outside of one's backyard. And it is much tougher now as money is the most important tool in recruiting in this today's environment. I expect a coach to do well in recruiting but turning over coaches every 4-5 years will lead to nothing. Need to get the right coach and keep him. Is Brown the right coach? Many on here think he isn't. But just firing him and bringing in another doesn't mean things will get better in terms of wins and losses immediately.
Yes, we need some longevity in our HC, but we can’t settle for a losing HC like Neal Brown. At the end of the day, it’s about results.
 

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I do believe better days are ahead. But I also believe fans expectations need to be reduced and behavior needs to improve. In today's college football world, it takes a talent rich area and money rich environment to get players. Greatest coach ever existed won't win without players. And West Virginia is not in a talent rich area and can't compete with many top programs with money. Fake fans that are constantly bitching need to find something else to do.
Yeah I agree it will take money and talent rich in areas. We have had that talent before and when we didn't the coaches had the ability to coach up a player. Look at Hostetler, PSU wanted him to be a LB. Nehlen gave him the chance. Pat was recruited as a safety by bigger teams like LSU and Auburn. Rod gave him his chance.

Expectations should be higher than what has been shown on the field. Constant bitching and bickering yes should be set aside. I've done enough of it myself but the past 5 years have shown the work is not getting done there is a massive hole somewhere in the organization and I believe that starting at the top with the BOG and EGG can certainly begin the healing.
 

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Yeah I agree it will take money and talent rich in areas. We have had that talent before and when we didn't the coaches had the ability to coach up a player. Look at Hostetler, PSU wanted him to be a LB. Nehlen gave him the chance. Pat was recruited as a safety by bigger teams like LSU and Auburn. Rod gave him his chance.

Expectations should be higher than what has been shown on the field. Constant bitching and bickering yes should be set aside. I've done enough of it myself but the past 5 years have shown the work is not getting done there is a massive hole somewhere in the organization and I believe that starting at the top with the BOG and EGG can certainly begin the healing.
Exactly! There’s no excuse for this in the 5th year. It’s not like WVU is playing a gauntlet of BlueBlood programs. Similar programs and programs of lesser historical stature are getting it done in the same time frame or less that Brown has had at WVU. Let Brown finish the season. Anything less than 8 wins should be the defining factor. If he gets 8 wins, keep him. If not, make a change. This schedule should be very favorable to a good record.