I'm Officially Done. Cannot Trust the Climb Anymore. $$$ and Piece Out***

[deedoubleyou]

We have far more talent this season than we did in Dana's 10 win season. Neal Brown has produced better recruiting than anyone else from what I can tell. His classes have ranked above most of these....

https://westvirginia.rivals.com/news/reviewing-the-west-virginia-recruiting-rankings-from-2002-18

Just last season they were touting Brown for a top 25 recruiting class. It seems to me that we've recruited mostly in the low 30s high 40s until Brown, and then it shot up to the upper 30s maybe more under Brown. Dont know for sure but it seems that way. It has to be easier to recruit with a brand new 55 million dollar facility upgrade! I mean will you look at that place, its amazing.

This is part of why its obvious how bad of a coach he is. He has had a lot of talent, and even a 5 star QB last year and a room full of big WR's, a solid stable of RB's and supposedly an OL who is the "strength of the team" last season.... But we were terrible. No one has done less with more than Neal Brown. That might piss some folks off, but its a simple fact.

A good coach will have no problem finding enough talent to field a team who can have a winning record in the B12 after 4.5 years. WVU is appealing, its awesome and we have literally top notch facilities. No need to sell WVU short with naysaying. We are set up for success more than we ever have been in the history of this program. We just happen to have a coach who is that bad....

 

[ThePunish-EER]

We have far more talent this season than we did in Dana's 10 win season. Neal Brown has produced better recruiting than anyone else from what I can tell. His classes have ranked above most of these....

https://westvirginia.rivals.com/news/reviewing-the-west-virginia-recruiting-rankings-from-2002-18

Just last season they were touting Brown for a top 25 recruiting class. It seems to me that we've recruited mostly in the low 30s high 40s until Brown, and then it shot up to the upper 30s maybe more under Brown. Dont know for sure but it seems that way. It has to be easier to recruit with a brand new 55 million dollar facility upgrade! I mean will you look at that place, its amazing.

This is part of why its obvious how bad of a coach he is. He has had a lot of talent, and even a 5 star QB last year and a room full of big WR's, a solid stable of RB's and supposedly an OL who is the "strength of the team" last season.... But we were terrible. No one has done less with more than Neal Brown. That might piss some folks off, but its a simple fact.

A good coach will have no problem finding enough talent to field a team who can have a winning record in the B12 after 4.5 years. WVU is appealing, its awesome and we have literally top notch facilities. No need to sell WVU short with naysaying. We are set up for success more than we ever have been in the history of this program. We just happen to have a coach who is that bad....

It’s obvious he’s not getting it done as of today. If he goes 4-1 down the stretch, I think he’s earned another year. Given this remaining schedule, there is no reason to think it cannot be done. Outside of Oklahoma, BYU is the only tossup. This is probably the weakest schedule we’ve had since joining the Big12.

 

[eerdoc]

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Good riddance. Doubtful that you and your prevailing attitude will be missed!
Happy to see you go.
Now, keep your promise AND DISAPPEAR.

 

[deedoubleyou]

It’s obvious he’s not getting it done as of today. If he goes 4-1 down the stretch, I think he’s earned another year. Given this remaining schedule, there is no reason to think it cannot be done. Outside of Oklahoma, BYU is the only tossup. This is probably the weakest schedule we’ve had since joining the Big12.

I understand the idea that if he wins 8 we keep him another year and if he does it, I'll be fine with it because at least there is a hint of progress, but still against it.

The reason I am totally against it, is because right now, this season, he is not here because of his merit at all (is it 16-23 B12 record?). He is here because WVU cant afford to fire him and that is the only single reason. Everyone knows it too, which fuels the media circus around him and that will not stop. Its a bad look man, really bad, imo. How many times in our lives have basically all the national media picked us to finish dead last in our conference and practically made fun of us all offseason? Last year the AD got fired and we were stuck with Brown. The entire world knows why. The damage is done and no one is fooled. I just want this circus to end because, imo, its damaging to the program. Tbh, if I were Neal, no way I would want to coach somewhere if I knew the only reason I am there is because of a contract buyout, and not because I was a good coach. Its a tough situation and I would love to see WVU play damage control and cut the losses. The entire country knows he is only here because of his buyout. He hasnt shown much ability to win against good teams either. If he finishes with 8, its only because of the B12 having a down year

 

[ThePunish-EER]

I understand the idea that if he wins 8 we keep him another year and if he does it, I'll be fine with it because at least there is a hint of progress, but still against it.

The reason I am totally against it, is because right now, this season, he is not here because of his merit at all (is it 16-23 B12 record?). He is here because WVU cant afford to fire him and that is the only single reason. Everyone knows it too, which fuels the media circus around him and that will not stop. Its a bad look man, really bad, imo. How many times in our lives have basically all the national media picked us to finish dead last in our conference and practically made fun of us all offseason? Last year the AD got fired and we were stuck with Brown. The entire world knows why. The damage is done and no one is fooled. I just want this circus to end because, imo, its damaging to the program. Tbh, if I were Neal, no way I would want to coach somewhere if I knew the only reason I am there is because of a contract buyout, and not because I was a good coach. Its a tough situation and I would love to see WVU play damage control and cut the losses. The entire country knows he is only here because of his buyout. He hasnt shown much ability to win against good teams either. If he finishes with 8, its only because of the B12 having a down year

Honestly, if I were him, I wouldn’t resign either. I would make them fire me. With that buyout, at this point, I would actually want to be fired. What is it? 13 million? Shane Lyons should be on the hook for it.

 

[WVUBRU]

I'm no fan of Shane Lyons. Known him since he was in the 7th grade and never liked him. I tolerated him as I was friends with his sister and we also had a common good friend. I don't believe it was Lyons that was responsible for the contract. Was he supporter of Brown? Yes. But a decision like that contract goes deeper than the AD.

 

[Jason Voorhees]

Honestly, if I were him, I wouldn’t resign either. I would make them fire me. With that buyout, at this point, I would actually want to be fired. What is it? 13 million? Shane Lyons should be on the hook for it.

If I had it my way, I would strip Pastilong of his pension. The 2am hiring started us down this path.

 

[Jason Voorhees]

I don't disagree at all with this comment and Huggins previous comment. But it is hard and takes time to build relationships recruiting outside of one's backyard. And it is much tougher now as money is the most important tool in recruiting in this today's environment. I expect a coach to do well in recruiting but turning over coaches every 4-5 years will lead to nothing. Need to get the right coach and keep him. Is Brown the right coach? Many on here think he isn't. But just firing him and bringing in another doesn't mean things will get better in terms of wins and losses immediately.

What's your opinion on this? The reason I ask is you made a good point in this post that I think gets overlooked as to why we have struggled for the most part in the last decade.




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[WVUBRU]

Opinion on what? I'm pretty sure I have given it.

I don't call for current coaches to be fired over wins and losses. I believe Brown took the job with no talent left him and program was in terrible shape. He has made it better now versus 5 years ago. He wasted two years being Doedge last year and bringing Daniels here which was a horrible mistake. I don't believe he will be fired as WVU doesn't fire coaches unless they break their contract like Huggins. I am frustrated by stupid mistakes but I don't necessarily blame Brown for certain actions of the players. Is there anything else?

 

[Jason Voorhees]

Opinion on what? I'm pretty sure I have given it.

I don't call for current coaches to be fired over wins and losses. I believe Brown took the job with no talent left him and program was in terrible shape. He has made it better now versus 5 years ago. He wasted two years being Doedge last year and bringing Daniels here which was a horrible mistake. I don't believe he will be fired as WVU doesn't fire coaches unless they break their contract like Huggins. I am frustrated by stupid mistakes but I don't necessarily blame Brown for certain actions of the players. Is there anything else?

opinion on the video link I posted. Can you not see it?

 

[WVUBRU]

opinion on the video link I posted. Can you not see it?

I haven't looked at it and probably won't. I haven't even noticed it. Nothing personal.

 

[Jason Voorhees]

I haven't looked at it and probably won't. I haven't even noticed it. Nothing personal.

If you decide to look at it, might be something you're interested in. BTw has nothing to do with Brown it discusses Wvu' possible future in realignment and gets to the back yard quote you were speaking of.

 

[deedoubleyou]

Honestly, if I were him, I wouldn’t resign either. I would make them fire me. With that buyout, at this point, I would actually want to be fired. What is it? 13 million? Shane Lyons should be on the hook for it.

It would definitely be the best business decision he could make! The buyout is 13, and maybe it goes to 9 after the season? I'm not sure but someone on here knows. Lyons definitely had a big hand in it. Im still iffy about the entire BOG at this point. I was actually very excited about Brown just like everyone was, and Lyons gets a pass from me on hiring him because on paper it was a really good hire. But the buyout is too much, and I didnt expect Brown to fail on so many levels here. Honestly it still shocks me, like the last two games did. Still though, I hope he guides this team into a very strong finish and a bowl victory. If he does that, I'll shut my mouth until he sucks again or is fired lol. I just dont think he will at this point even with a weak sched.

 

[The Bell Tolls for Thee]

It isn't 10 years ago. It is now. To have the mindset we are greater than any program just because is stupid. Are we under performing? Yes. Is it because we should be greater? No. We are underperforming because we have good players with little depth and make way too many mistakes for 60 minutes on most Saturdays. Is that a coaching problem? Yes, the coaching staff is responsible.

Again you miss the point. It is not we should be greater just because. It is we should be greater because we CAN. We have been before and, despite the NIL and transfer portal, we CAN be again. And we agree that it is the coaching staff, led by the head coach, to navigate all of those issues to success. We just disagree that WVU was in such a bad spot in 2019 that it should take well over 5 years to start getting Holgorsen level results. We also disagree that Brown has shown a single shred of potential to be our guy given so far this year his team looks about as good as it did 3 years ago.

 

[WVUBRU]

I agree WVU can be greater and I believe it will be in the future. I have not said or even hinted at that Brown is our guy so not sure who you are disagreeing with. I don't believe I am missing your point but rather it is stupid to compare today's college world to 10 years ago. It is vastly different and it has impacted what schools can do. And unfortunately, WVU is one of those schools that isn't starting at a level that many others do.

Since 1980, we have played for a National championship in 1988, 1993 and could have in 2007. That is once every decade until the 2010's. I don't foresee us playing for one in the 2020's with or without Brown. But I am satisfied with a SUPER year once every decade like we did three decades in a row because those other years, we had more good Saturdays than bad. I think that is a reasonable expectation for the WVU fanbase. I know many won't agree and that is fine if disagreement is done appropriately.

 

[WESTBGVA]

It would definitely be the best business decision he could make! The buyout is 13, and maybe it goes to 9 after the season? I'm not sure but someone on here knows. Lyons definitely had a big hand in it. Im still iffy about the entire BOG at this point. I was actually very excited about Brown just like everyone was, and Lyons gets a pass from me on hiring him because on paper it was a really good hire. But the buyout is too much, and I didnt expect Brown to fail on so many levels here. Honestly it still shocks me, like the last two games did. Still though, I hope he guides this team into a very strong finish and a bowl victory. If he does that, I'll shut my mouth until he sucks again or is fired lol. I just dont think he will at this point even with a weak sched.

if he's fired after this season it's 12.7 million..also lesley, B Marshall, and B Stewart have two yr contracts ..Lesley would be paid 750,000... Marshall and Stewart 200,000 each..WVU pays the buyout not the donors..you know..the WVU that is facing a 40+ million shortfall and cutting programs..the big donors had nothing to do with that contract.. do realize that WVU only has four large boosters?..fe fi four that's all.

 

[BigLickMountee]

I thought it was "peace out!"

maybe public educators have changed things? Hard to keep up sometimes.

 

[GhostofGraves]

The expert insiders currently say 6-6 or worse and he's done. 7-5 and it's 50-50.

Im thinking 6-6 and a loss in some crappy bowl to end at 6-7. A fitting record for this team.

 

[WESTBGVA]

ifs and buts candy and nuts thingy..lost a potential AA and had to replace him with a guy who was playing high school football last year...

 

[WESTBGVA]

 

[deedoubleyou]

Flashbacks! No way it's real but its good entertainment lol.

 

[The Bell Tolls for Thee]

I agree WVU can be greater and I believe it will be in the future. I have not said or even hinted at that Brown is our guy so not sure who you are disagreeing with. I don't believe I am missing your point but rather it is stupid to compare today's college world to 10 years ago. It is vastly different and it has impacted what schools can do. And unfortunately, WVU is one of those schools that isn't starting at a level that many others do.

Since 1980, we have played for a National championship in 1988, 1993 and could have in 2007. That is once every decade until the 2010's. I don't foresee us playing for one in the 2020's with or without Brown. But I am satisfied with a SUPER year once every decade like we did three decades in a row because those other years, we had more good Saturdays than bad. I think that is a reasonable expectation for the WVU fanbase. I know many won't agree and that is fine if disagreement is done appropriately.

The issue is that Brown clearly is not the guy to get us to even the level of a once in a decade magical season as you have described here. He never will be, regardless if he somehow manages to string together 2-3 8 win seasons in 2023 through 2025. What most of us labeled as "negative", "unreasonable", or "fake" fans have issue with is the fact that anytime we point out Brown is hot garbage and has no business leading the team, we are told our expectations are unrealistic. Essentially this is implying that we are wrong and that Brown is deserving of more time/trust to eventually bring WVU to our previous 40 year status quo at the very least. That is simply not true by any objective measure, and the preponderance of evidence across the football world is that here is a near zero chance a coach with Brown's start at WVU goes on to have any significant success at that program. Exceptions do not disprove the rule

 

[Rootmaster]

Dude, show your immature *** all you want. I won't engage with you. But please realize I have been a member of this board and mostly on the OT board since inception. Quit the BS of your warped accusations and just stick to being a dickhead if you wish.

Take your own advice loser.

 

[WVUFanForever]

Take your own advice loser.

You calling someone else a loser is rich........see what I did there?