I'm Officially Done
- Thread starter BigBlueCatNation
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Stoops, you're nothing to me now. You're not a brother, you're not a friend. I don't want to know you or what you do.When UK plays I don't want to see you at the game, I don't want you near my television. When UK plays, I want to know a day in advance, so I won't be there. You understand?
Dude, get out of here. You're harping on what a bunch of fans said on here yesterday before we showed up and looked like trash (and after seeing what a dumpster fire of a team you have). Not the time to get high and mighty on a rival board.
Shouldn't you be on a big 10 board somewhere............catchy name for a KY fan. [banana]
I've watched UK football since I was a kid back in the early to mid 70s. Except for a few years here or there, we have looked the same no matter who the coach is. I don't see much difference in Stoops and anyone else we have hired over the last 50 years. At this point, I think hiring a new coach is just rinse and repeat. I find it hard to believe that every coach we have hired over the last 50 years have been poor coaches. I think it's more likely that even when we recruit well, we still can't recruit well enough at each position to field a good power 5 conference level team. In other words, we can't get a strong defensive line with depth and a strong offensive line with depth at the same time. It's extremely rare for us to ever have that kind of talent and depth. Stoops has improved the skill positions, but I don't think the recruiting of linemen has improved like it needs to. I haven't seen a coach though, that has been able to have consistently good lines since I've been watching UK football.
For the first time in my life, I'm losing faith that it can be done here. The time to build a strong football program was when the sport was growing and not every school was sinking money into it. Now, it's much tougher to build if you are in a power 5 conference. You almost never see a have-not become a have in a power 5 conference. It's a rare occurrence. Just look at schools like Purdue, Indiana, Iowa State, Vandy, Illinois, etc. If it was a problem that was fairly straight forward to solve, there would be several programs rise from their mediocrity and become consistent winners. I think it goes much deeper than a coach and a culture. I think it has to do with outside perception of the program and being able to convince enough excellent players to play here. We always seem to lack talent and depth at certain positions and it always means we are an average to below average team. I'm not sure how you go about changing that. I'm not sure without a lot of luck, it can be solved.
For the first time in my life, I'm losing faith that it can be done here. The time to build a strong football program was when the sport was growing and not every school was sinking money into it. Now, it's much tougher to build if you are in a power 5 conference. You almost never see a have-not become a have in a power 5 conference. It's a rare occurrence. Just look at schools like Purdue, Indiana, Iowa State, Vandy, Illinois, etc. If it was a problem that was fairly straight forward to solve, there would be several programs rise from their mediocrity and become consistent winners. I think it goes much deeper than a coach and a culture. I think it has to do with outside perception of the program and being able to convince enough excellent players to play here. We always seem to lack talent and depth at certain positions and it always means we are an average to below average team. I'm not sure how you go about changing that. I'm not sure without a lot of luck, it can be solved.
This just isn't true. Kentucky makes way more money, has much more exposure and a much larger fanbase than USC. That's not to say that USC doesn't have a high ceiling and can't get it done, it's just saying that both have about the same ceiling.
At one point, Kentucky was a pretty good football team. In fact, you could argue that even after 50 years, Kentucky has still reached higher places than USC has ever done.
I just hope both teams continue to improve and that Kentucky can get a freaking football team. There's really no reason for them not too.
I'm not "done" with UK football, but even before the first snap I had low expectations. We have some good talent on both sides of the ball, but it's apparent our coached suck, and suck badly.
When we had to suffer through the Gillespie years, I was still a UK fan, and I will always be a UK fan.
I just go into each football season hoping for one, maybe two wins that aren't expected, other than that I root hard for the team but realize we simply are not very good.
Open the bank and hire, if we can, a top notch coach; that's the only way we can begin to turn this around.
GO BIG BLUE!!!!!!!!!!!!
When we had to suffer through the Gillespie years, I was still a UK fan, and I will always be a UK fan.
I just go into each football season hoping for one, maybe two wins that aren't expected, other than that I root hard for the team but realize we simply are not very good.
Open the bank and hire, if we can, a top notch coach; that's the only way we can begin to turn this around.
GO BIG BLUE!!!!!!!!!!!!
Well the next game hasn't been played yet. Besides, I can still read what others say on here
You would have a hard time winning a debate that UK has more football fans than USC. They average about 20k more in attendance per game.
Big Blue Cat,Still support the players. Stoops will get one more year and if he doesn't produce, the seats will be empty and that means ADIOS.
OLD STOLL FIELD GUY!
The Kentucky football team needs to play better in every category of the game in order to improve their chances of competing and MAYBE, (crossing my fingers!!) go to the bowl game.
It may be the "Larry's Garden Supply Center" bowl, but it would be a step in the right direction.
It may be the "Larry's Garden Supply Center" bowl, but it would be a step in the right direction.
We just got thru shrinking our stadium's capacity by nearly 10% because we couldn't consistently fill 70k.
I swear... You all are either really incompetent or in complete denial. Probably both.
Hey genius, we couldn't fill it because our football program sucks! Look, I'm not getting into an argument with you of all people because I've seen your idiotic posts on the national football board.
I live in Columbia, so I think I have some idea as to USC fans. You probably live in your mothers basement.
Other than Rich Brooks, has any of the coaches that have been here had sustained success at a similar level after they've left? And Rich Brooks success was before he got here. I can't think of any. Even the assistants have only had spotty success at lower levels. I think that speaks more to poor hiring than whether it can be done here or not.
Isn't this the entire point I've been arguing?
The rest of your post is just babble based on your overt personal insecurities.
I'm probably not enough of a historian to give you a good answer to that question. I can think of several that have, though, off the top of my head. Howard Schnellenberger, Blanton collier, Don Shula, Bill Arnsparger, Charlie McClendon, Mike Leach, and Lovie Smith. I'm guessing there are others, but that's all that comes to my mind. I do agree that we don't, or can't, attract top head coaches, as a general rule, but I doubt that it has always been poor coaching at UK that has doomed our program. I think it is more difficult to win here than many of us want to believe.
Ok, so if we shrunk our stadium because WE COULD NOT FILL IT, then why in the hell does it matter if they have a stadium that seats 20k more ? If we cant fill at 70k stadium, say we had a 110k stadium, bigger than USC's, would it matter ? No, so do not use "they have a bigger stadium" bs answer. You made yourself look stupid.
I honestly feel next year is the year. We just do not have it all together. We lost some key defense pieces to a all ready suspect defense for this year, so matter how good our offense gets, defense will cost us games. Write it down and time stamp this, we go 7-5 - 8-4 next year. Look at the 2 deep on offense and defense, we have NEARLY everyone back next year and will be upper classman, not soph / freshman with jr's sprinkled in.
I'm so frustrated I want to quit watching; however, I am like an abused person. It hurts so good I have to keep on watching. And, of course, next year will be better. This is what 60 years of UK football has done to me (at this time). Go Cats!!
PS. My wife laughs at me every time I tell her I am really giving up UK football this time.
PS. My wife laughs at me every time I tell her I am really giving up UK football this time.
I would be interested to know your age just because of your optimism. Assume we go 8-4 next year. After the season we have started, that I hope ends up successful, but doesn't look good, do we keep a recruiting class together? Going 8-4 next year, but having a crappy recruiting class keeps us in the cycle we've been in. I agree, we will win more games next year. Will our program continue to get better is what people are discussing, and this year we need to be better. Getting beat by a CUSA with inferior talent first game is not an improvement.
No more excuses.
This was also stoops poops reputation going to UK. And you do realize Muschamp was handed all the talent in the world at UF, he didn't even need to bring in talent. And still sucked major donkey walls with all the talent in the world? I guess you'll find out soon enough how bad Muschamp really is if you didn't notice how bad he was at UF losing with all the talent a coach could ever want. I remember how many talking heads were just in absolute shock and completely dumbfounded by the hire SC made with Muschamp. It was like damn, a rebuilding program is really hiring that terrible HC to turn things around? If you got that much hope in muschump, then you might as well give up your fandom cuz the man might be worse than stoops considering he was putting up Mark stoops type numbers at Florida with a million times more talent. Which is just sad to be honest.
He was ran out of town by a wild mob with pitch forks and you think he's the man who's going to turn it around? You remind me of a lot of the stoops poops supporters who apologize for him after every loss. So what stoops is a great recruiter and the DC for the #1 defense in college before coming here. Doesn't make someone a good HC. I always use muschump as the example as to why stoops isn't going to pan out here when discussing to our fans why he sucks. I guess since its year one in the honey moon period you're as hopeful as can be. But just realize it is what it is, hope, wishful thinking, just something that ain't gon happen my friend. That's why we call it wishful thinking.
What do you recommend? Fans pour their heart and soul into this program, and they get jack **** in return. People are sick of it.
I agree with many of your points and am probably about your age but it was not that long ago we went to consecutive bowls and played fairly competitive football in the SEC during the Brooks tenure once the probation years were behind us. It can be done again, if Barnyard will get the hell out of the way and UK will hire an experienced head football coach with some decent credentials. Nobody expects UK to challenge Bama for SEC supremacy, but we should at least compete with the EKU's, WKU's, South Carolina's and Vandy's of the world.
69 yrs. old here, and I've been done with UK football so many times, I can count them...but I must be an addict for punishment. I can't keep from hoping. But since I'm in such a negative mood this week, I have thought of a couple scenarios in which we could possibly win at UF. Not likely, but if either of these were to happen we MIGHT win.
(1) All UF starters come down with the flu and can't play Saturday.
(2) Actually, I can't think of the 2nd scenario.
Just unleashing some frustration.
(1) All UF starters come down with the flu and can't play Saturday.
(2) Actually, I can't think of the 2nd scenario.
Just unleashing some frustration.
You do realize Urban Meyer left UF with his "heart issue" that miraculously went away when he got the Ohio St offer..........the reason he left was because he saw the decline and bailed. Remember, his record his last year at UF was 8-5 and he then left for "health" reasons. You do the math.
Stoops has been at UK long enough to get a gauge on if he's going to likely pan out or not. In a few years we'll know the same about Muschamp. But I'd take Muschamp 7 days a week and twice on Sunday over Stoops as a defensive coordinator. JMO