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"Byrne said what was interesting about the discussion was how meaningful certain games are, and why. "I don't think 20 wins is what's important. It's who you play, where you play them, when you play them, and how well you play them that's important."

seems i've said that a time or 10
 
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"Byrne said what was interesting about the discussion was how meaningful certain games are, and why. "I don't think 20 wins is what's important. It's who you play, where you play them, when you play them, and how well you play them that's important."

seems i've said that a time or 10
 
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"Byrne said what was interesting about the discussion was how meaningful certain games are, and why. "I don't think 20 wins is what's important. It's who you play, where you play them, when you play them, and how well you play them that's important."

seems i've said that a time or 10
 
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I think we've all said that, or some version of that, at some point. It's really simple... I think our problem is the fact that we are going to have problems scheduling top notch teams for the most part...
 
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there have been plenty of comments of how "20 wins a season is all that matters" and "who cares who we schedule as long as we keep making the NCAA Tourney"....Scooba did alot of those scheduling stats to try to prove me wrong about how weak our schedule was (of course, I was right, as we have had the 10th hardest schedule in the SEC under Stansbury)</p>

I dont think its going to be hard at all- we are just going to have to be willing to hit the road some</p>
 
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I dont think its going to be hard at all- we are just going to have to be willing to hit the road some whenever we want to play a top tier program because they will never ever come to Starkville, no matter how many games we give them.
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we should play MORE better teams (wherever the sumbitches will play). If I recall correctly, we lost out on an NCAAT bid to UAB (Stans 2nd year?) because they went & got the **** beat out of them at IU one year (by about 40 pts).
 
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Stansbury to top recruit- "We need a scorer like you in our program. We have upgraded our schedule to make sure you play on TV against the top programs in the country. This season we are headed to UCLA and Michigan St. Next year we are going to Memphis and Kansas. I feel you may be ready for the draft after that after helping us make a couple of big Tourney runs. Sign here"

Recruit- "you got it Coach."
 
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he could just go with the same spiel that's landed quality recruits for the past decade. And we don't have to go on the road for credibility like some whored out mid-major. And we just continue to win at a 66 percent clip.

Yeah, as a season ticket holder, I like my way better.
 
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Coach34

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clamoring around about how we have to have NBA talent to advance in the NCAA's? Maybe if we would play someone besides Jacksonville State or San Diego we might get that type of talent...hell, USC and UCLA had to turn a top talent away for us to get one of those
 
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against a school that will never return a home game to us has any benefit to our program. It makes your season tickets less attractive, it puts you on national TV as an underdog, and it makes us look like a second-tier school in general. Unless the SEC is going to provide some support to us, which is unlikely, we'll never get a traditional power to come to Starkville.

Do you really believe Byrne would OK a series with a Kansas/Michigan State/UCLA/North Carolina type school without getting one game in Starkville? Absolutely not. Will those type schools ever come to Starkville? Absolutely not. So it's a moot point.

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the top teams is on a neutral court. Basically Coach34 wants us to adopt a Jackson State scheduling mentality. What is the benefit to MSU?
 
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it gets you on national TV, and its lets more top players around the country see your team play. I'm only talking a couple of games a season. We play 14-15 OOC games. We can still beat the **** out of the nobodys like we always do. But an upgrade for the RPI would help alot.

What we have been doing has not worked. Its time to try something else. And by Byrne's comments- it appears he agrees with me. He is going to do what it takes to upgrade the schedule.
 
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Mullen should schedule a game ON THE ROAD against USC, TEXAS, OKLAHOMA or any other non SEC power...

People used to ***** about Templeton selling games and playing Florida in Neutral sites and giving up home games...

So now in our most successful sport since 1996 we should do the very thing LT still gets lambasted about and travel on the Road like we are Jacksonville State and not expect them to return the game???

Color me confused by this whole rationale...
 
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captaindawg said:
the top teams is on a neutral court. Basically Coach34 wants us to adopt a Jackson State scheduling mentality. What is the benefit to MSU?
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Jackson State does this to pay for their program- they know they have no chance of winning...

We are a top-tier SEC program arent we? Arent we King of the SEC West? If we are, we should expect to go on the road and compete. We should pull an upset from time to time.

"What is the benefit to MSU?"

Those magical letters called R P I.....those make a big difference come March
 
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the last three years we have been SEC West champs, SEC West champs and SEC tourney champs. We have made the NIT and NCAA twice. We just signed a player that some have rated as the best player in the nation. Now you want to turn us into Jackson State?
 
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the SEC IN FOOTBALL is the toughest conference in the country. We don't need an RPI boost in football. We play one of the toughest schedules in the nation year in and year out. No need to upgrade.

Basketball is way different.
 
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we have failed to advance in the NCAA Tourney. Nobody gives a monkey **** about the SEC West. You dont get **** for leading half of your conference.

I'm not trying to turn us into Jackson State, i'm trying to turn us into a relevant national program
 
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We are the fourth best team in the SEC in basketball consistently year in year out... We are above playing the "big boys" only at there place... 17 that....
 
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to Coach34's posts. He simply discounts the information that does not fit his agenda. You will never hear him give credit for any type of SEC championship nor the fact that MSU consistently finds itself in the post season. He blindly clings to his argument that Coach Stansbury is irrelevent until he makes it to the sweet sixteen.
 
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Dawgfan61 said:
We are the fourth best team in the SEC in basketball consistently year in year out... We are above playing the "big boys" only at there place... 17 that....
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not to make at least the Sweet 16 in the Stansbury tenure. Maybe we should do something different
 
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serve Gottfried and Bama the last 2 years???? Is John Brady a better coach than Stansbury because he had a blip in his career and made the final four?? Did Ole Miss advancing to the Sweet 16 put their program above ours??

You people that put all emphasis on the tournament and give no creedence whatsoever to regular season accomplishments drive me nuts... Yes the tournament is important, even extremely important but what you do in the regular season is also important
 
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How are their programs viewed these days since making Tourney runs a few years ago?
 
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These people have no greater expectation than winning the SEC West and are fine with being king of the West. They don't want to go on the road and play a nationally televised game because one Saturday in December they can drive over to the Hump and watch us play like crap and beat Jacksonville State while their wives go Christmas shopping.
 
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Coach34

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so how are there no rationale to my posts?

Coach34- "we need to upgrade our basketball schedule"

Greg Byrne- "I don't think 20 wins is what's important. It's who you play, where you play them, when you play them, and how well you play them that's important"

Mike Slive- "Playing a strong non-conference schedule gives the selection committee a chance to see how teams would compete against teams in the NCAA field, because many of those teams usually are in the field," Slive said. "There's a perception of who you play, how you play and where you play."

I find it funny our AD and the commisioner of the freaking SEC agree with me, but you say I have no rationale.

an SEC West title in football or baseball makes you a top 10 team in the country.
an SEC West title in basketball gets you an 8 or 9 seed in the NCAA Tourney...

some of you need to accept reality
 
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Coach34 said:
clamoring around about how we have to have NBA talent to advance in the NCAA's? Maybe if we would play someone besides Jacksonville State or San Diego we
might get that type of talent...hell, USC and UCLA had to turn a top talent away for us to get one of those
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I don't think getting NBA talent has anything to do with your schedule. It seems to me that if you want NBA type players, you have to play the AAU game and deal with their handlers and whoever else is in their posse.

See Renardo Sidney and Scotty Hopson and anyone else who is worth a darn.

It's not about your schedule, it's about how much money you are willing to shell out to these guys and deal with their BS.
 
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for us to play North Carolina, Michigan State, Kansas, UCLA, if we play them at their place they should come to Starkville. I have a problem with one of LT's biggest critics wanting to do the exact same thing he was criticized for (and rightly so) selling home games and only playing the big boys on the road. Hell even Nebraska went to USM, I am sorry but I feel that MSU basketball is better than that. We have a right to have home and homes and not have to go on the road ONLY!!!
 
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the same way they were viewed and have been viewed since time immemorial, as mid-majors. We are not a mid-major. We are not going to play 3/4 of our non-conference schedule on the road. We just aren't. So unless you can convince these power schools to give us home games, you'll never see the kind of schedule you think is necessary to make a deep tourney run.

You know what's interesting, this thread started with you saying you and Byrne agree. You must not agree too much, he's extending Stansbury's contract.
 
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"We have a right to have home and homes and not have to go on the road ONLY!!!"

What have we done to earn that right? How come Tennessee gets people to come to Knoxville? What had Tennessee won before Pearl got there a few years ago? Didnt they fire Buzz for losing? How did a losing program start playing nationally rated teams overnight?

Something just doesnt make sense on the scheduling...I think Stansbury is the reason we are 10th in the SEC in SOS during his tenure- not that we cant get teams to play us- because they damn sure will play everybody else
 
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I could watch us play great and beat the hell out of said lower level team, which is what I'm expecting this season.

Golly geez, a fan would rather watch his team live and see them win than watch them on TV and see them lose? You got any other hidden nuggets of wisdom? Who would have guessed all along you were the famous Captain Obvious?
 
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do you think it's possible that a) top tier teams were quite willing to play Tennessee Pearl's first couple of years because Tennessee was terrible and everybody thought they were a gimme win and/or b) they are Tenne-freaking-see and have a little bit more stroke nationally overall than we do? Or maybe its a combination of both?
 
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in the same state as the University of Memphis and have a long standing rivalry with them.

Haven't we been trying to play Memphis home and home for a while when Calipari was there, to? And THEY wouldn't do it. And they're just a few hours away from Starkville.
 
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Coach34

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Stansbury stacks the schedule with patsies each year and only tries to schedule up when he might be pretty good? And other programs have caught on to this and wont give him games now because he wont do it every year?
 
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If you would rather watch 12 home team cakewalks (maybe, because with Stans, there are always the out of the blue losses) than beat 11 (maybe) patsies and play one upper level team, then I got nothing for ya. If it means that most of those are on the road, then so be it. That doesn't make you mid major.
 
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we can't even get Memphis to make the trip a couple of hours south.

Bottom line, we'll be having this debate forever, regardless of what occurs in the tournament. Coach just wants to rattle everybody's cages. And I guarantee Byrne won't schedule teams that don't want to return a home game, and I guarantee no traditional power is headed our way.
 
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Oh, by the way, I like how you counted the upper level game as a loss. You're catching on.
 
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Coach34

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with all our damn SEC West titles...especially when it comes to top 25 rankings and seeding each year in the NCAA Tourney...I wish we could be viewed as good as those "mid-majors"
 
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You think we go to North Carolina or Michigan State as the favorite? Have you ever watched us play? Not exactly a huge leap of faith to make that assumption.

All in all, I know it's killing guys like you and Coach that we made it to the NCAA tourney last year. Oh no, another 4 years of winning a lot more than we lose and playing in the postseason! Sucks to be us!
 
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you know in the 2007-2008 season, Butler was ranked 11th in the country and was a 7 seed. How much respect is that? They won 26 games going in to the tourney and were a 9 seed this year. Two years ago we won 22 games and were a 9.
 
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