I'm Tired of our Major Men's Teams Sucking

[Clevinger_rivals246724]

I know it's early, but I'm not exactly expecting the 4-3 baseball team to light the world on fire this year.

I hold out hope for Miles, think he's a good coach, and like him personally, but good lord does our basketball team suck this year.

Finally, I appreciate that Riley hasn't coached a football game for us yet, but he essentially is just transferring a lot of his old staff here. I don't personally buy the theory that giving him increased resources is going to magically turn him into a championship caliber coach. I had no great love for Pelini (okay, I despised having him as our coach), but I don't really seen Riley having a different peak than him, given his long track record. The main differences between Riley and Pelini are as follows:

1) Riley is really likeable. Pelini isn't.
2) Riley isn't a public embarrassment. Pelini is.
3) Riley actually tries to win games against good teams and sometimes does. Pelini didn't.

I still see us being at best a 4 loss team in football, with giants looming at Michigan, Michigan State, and Ohio State.

 

[jawatkins]

Michigan hasn't done a damn thing to be called a giant.

They paid a guy who doesnt get along with others and who just tried to steal all of the recruits our coach got (he stole one Boohoo)and couldnt do it, a lot of money. Theyve done nothing but over spend, the cubs do that too.

Riley is regarded as an innovative and awesome coach amongst coaches and people who know football, I'll take their opinions and watch with hope for a better future and not just hoping our coach doesn't pee his pants and punch a ref.

 

[c2o]

Originally posted by Clevinger:
I know it's early, but I'm not exactly expecting the 4-3 baseball team to light the world on fire this year.

I hold out hope for Miles, think he's a good coach, and like him personally, but good lord does our basketball team suck this year.

Finally, I appreciate that Riley hasn't coached a football game for us yet, but he essentially is just transferring a lot of his old staff here. I don't personally buy the theory that giving him increased resources is going to magically turn him into a championship caliber coach. I had no great love for Pelini (okay, I despised having him as our coach), but I don't really seen Riley having a different peak than him, given his long track record. The main differences between Riley and Pelini are as follows:

1) Riley is really likeable. Pelini isn't.
2) Riley isn't a public embarrassment. Pelini is.
3) Riley actually tries to win games against good teams and sometimes does. Pelini didn't.

I still see us being at best a 4 loss team in football, with giants looming at Michigan, Michigan State, and Ohio State.

Let us have a little patience and hold up.
This post was edited on 2/24 9:00 PM by c2o

 

[litespeedhuskerfan_rivals19671]

Football reigns supreme for me, everything else is just a side dish. Football got a lot better this off season. Riely is a huge upgrade.

 

[sparky4986]

Clev where ya been buddy. Now to talk about your disenchantment. IMO MIles is such an upgrade from the last 3 coaches it's not even close. Take look at his incoming class. Best one ever IMO .
Remember, he took over one of the worst D1 Bball(basketball for you novices) programs in the country.

Now lets stroll down defensive football lore.

You do know that 3 of the AC's on defense have DC experience, correct? Lets take some quotes from Nate Clouse's report just on Stewart:

The 50-year old Stewart completes a Nebraska defensive
staff that includes four coaches who all have professional coaching or
playing experience. The defensive staff has three coaches with
coordinator experience, including Stewart, defensive coordinator Mark
Banker and defensive line coach Hank Hughes. Both Stewart and Banker
have served as defensive coordinators in both college and the National
Football League.

Including Stewart, the Nebraska staff has eight coaches
with professional coaching experience. The group has a total of 46 years
coaching in the professional ranks, including 30 years in the National
Football League. The staff also has three coaches with professional
playing experience.


In his three seasons on the Maryland staff, Stewart
helped the Terrapins to a pair of bowl appearances. The attacking
Terrapin defense tallied more than 30 sacks each of the past two
seasons.



Stewart re-joined the college ranks as the
defensive coordinator at the University of Houston in 2010 and 2011.
Stewart helped the Cougars to a 13-1 record and No. 14 final national
ranking in 2011.

He spent the previous eight years in the NFL, including a
two-year stint as the Dallas Cowboys defensive coordinator in 2007 and
2008. As the Cowboys' defense coordinator, Stewart guided Dallas to two
top-10 rankings in fewest yards allowed. He helped the Cowboys to a 13-3
record and NFC East divisional title in 2007.

Stewart also served as an assistant coach with the
Philadelphia Eagles (2009), San Diego Chargers (2004-06) and the Houston
Texas (2002-03). Each of the teams Stewart coached in his final six NFL
seasons won at least nine games, including three division champions and
four playoff teams. During his time in the professional ranks, Stewart
helped 14 players make Pro Bowl appearances.

Would you like me to continue? I can fine some stats that show a total upgrade from the last staff & it's not even close. He may have hired a few of his friends but clearly has expanded out to other areas to fill in.

Come on buddy, this was a nice troll job but you're better then that.

 

[sparky4986]

Give me a little time & I'll post some more. Might not get to it tonight as it's time for my warm milk and a shot of Sparky's.

../ BTW, don't be a stranger.

 

[Clevinger_rivals246724]

Originally posted by sparky62:
Clev where ya been buddy. Now to talk about your disenchantment.

I have two little kids and work a lot. I still read the board, but rarely post.

I love Miles. I really do. This year was just sort of a reality check on how far we have to go.

In regards to Riley, I have been thinking what I wrote since we hired him, but didn't want to post it because I am hopeful for him and I was happy to see Pelini get booted. I was hoping his staff would be better. I think he's a good coach, but I don't think giving him and his old defensive coordinator a private plane, nice facilities, and a bigger budget is going to lead to any championships.

Our ceiling still looks like 4 losses, perhaps with an occasional big win and less embarrassing press conferences and sideline behavior.

 

[sparky4986]

Originally posted by Clevinger:

Originally posted by sparky62:
Clev where ya been buddy. Now to talk about your disenchantment.

I have two little kids and work a lot. I still read the board, but rarely post.

I love Miles. I really do. This year was just sort of a reality check on how far we have to go.

In regards to Riley, I have been thinking what I wrote since we hired him, but didn't want to post it because I am hopeful for him and I was happy to see Pelini get booted. I was hoping his staff would be better. I think he's a good coach, but I don't think giving him and his old defensive coordinator a private plane, nice facilities, and a bigger budget is going to lead to any championships.

Our ceiling still looks like 4 losses, perhaps with an occasional big win and less embarrassing press conferences and sideline behavior.

Dude, ya sound tired, been there & still am tired but look at it this way, the suns coming up tomorrow dude & you're breathing.

IMO Miles is still the guy. I really think that he is the right guy for the job.

On the Riley front, I'm getting some info from another site from a friend of mine but may not get it till tomorrow. I have to work at the Fire Station at 0700 so hopefully I can post it at 1200. Stick with me here and have a little patience. I have some stuff that will really brighten your day.

This post was edited on 2/24 9:32 PM by sparky62

 

[ssmill777]

I'm with you Clev, on the baseball team. Our lack of offense will cost us a lot of games this yr. We seem to be over-recruiting pitching - which we have some talent there. Sad to say, I think we will be about .500 in the B1G this season. Wrestling seems to be doing well. Basketball is another story. We have some scary good recruits coming, but they will just be frosh next season, so we may be 2 yrs from being relevant. Football is a huge questionmark - we really don't know what we have with MR & staff. Hope for the best and prepare for a modestly successful season is my approach.

 

[Clevinger_rivals246724]

Originally posted by litespeedhuskerfan:
Football reigns supreme for me, everything else is just a side dish. Football got a lot better this off season. Riely is a huge upgrade.

I was born in the early '80s, so I grew up on a steady diet of Husker success. When we first crashed and burned under Solich, I kind of figured it would be short-term. That was 13 years ago, and I don't really see a light at the end of the tunnel yet.

It would be a huge step forward for our program if we at least didn't have any embarrassing meltdowns this year. Somehow, starting with Colorado in 2001, we have developed a knack for not only losing in big games, but doing so in a humiliating, jaw-dropping way.

 

[Lincoln100]

Originally posted by Clevinger:

Originally posted by sparky62:
Clev where ya been buddy. Now to talk about your disenchantment.

I have two little kids and work a lot. I still read the board, but rarely post.

I love Miles. I really do. This year was just sort of a reality check on how far we have to go.

In regards to Riley, I have been thinking what I wrote since we hired him, but didn't want to post it because I am hopeful for him and I was happy to see Pelini get booted. I was hoping his staff would be better. I think he's a good coach, but I don't think giving him and his old defensive coordinator a private plane, nice facilities, and a bigger budget is going to lead to any championships.

Our ceiling still looks like 4 losses, perhaps with an occasional big win and less embarrassing press conferences and sideline behavior.

If the rumors are true, that he has an eye for talent, and that he can develop his players, then there is no doubt the ceiling has been raised.

 

[Hus_Ker]

my vote for post of the week, now let's continue to partake in our favorite beverage until we pass out again

 

[puddinhead0404]

I feel ya Clev. We had a poll a couple of days ago on which team "Mens BBall/ Football" wins a conference title first. I didn't really know what to put because I don't see either happening anytime soon. "Expected on a bball standpoint"

 

[Truehuskerfan]

Originally posted by ssmill777:

I'm with you Clev, on the baseball team. Our lack of offense will cost us a lot of games this yr. We seem to be over-recruiting pitching - which we have some talent there. Sad to say, I think we will be about .500 in the B1G this season. Wrestling seems to be doing well. Basketball is another story. We have some scary good recruits coming, but they will just be frosh next season, so we may be 2 yrs from being relevant. Football is a huge questionmark - we really don't know what we have with MR & staff. Hope for the best and prepare for a modestly successful season is my approach.

.500 in the B1G would be an absolute disaster. I don't see any way we are that bad. We were 14-10 in the conference in 2012 when we were cleaning up the mess left by Mike Anderson. I don't see why we would be worse than that. The results have been a little disappointing so far, but still too early to be predicting such a bad conference season.

 

[sparky4986]

Originally posted by ssmill777:

I'm with you Clev, on the baseball team. Our lack of offense will cost us a lot of games this yr. We seem to be over-recruiting pitching - which we have some talent there. Sad to say, I think we will be about .500 in the B1G this season. Wrestling seems to be doing well. Basketball is another story. We have some scary good recruits coming, but they will just be frosh next season, so we may be 2 yrs from being relevant. Football is a huge questionmark - we really don't know what we have with MR & staff. Hope for the best and prepare for a modestly successful season is my approach.

Personally I think that we win the B10 baseball this year(regular season, not tourney). I'm a betting man too.

 

[sparky4986]

Originally posted by puddinhead0404:
I feel ya Clev. We had a poll a couple of days ago on which team "Mens BBall/ Football" wins a conference title first. I didn't really know what to put because I don't see either happening anytime soon. "Expected on a bball standpoint"

I see Huskers winning the B10 in football in year 3 wMR. Man you guys need some some Lexipro & if it's that bad throw in a few shots of Jack. Take a breath boys.

 

[Nebraska Fan]

I think that's swell and about the same as Solich or Pelini. I am kind of hoping Riley can stop slumming and go after players who's skills are known, if they are more then 2 or 3 stars so much the better but it will be new territory for this staff.

 

[jawatkins]

Ahh, you think stars matter. Does your mom cut the crust off of your pb&j too?

 

[Husker.Wed._rivals]

Originally posted by sparky62:


Including Stewart, the Nebraska staff has eight coaches
with professional coaching experience. The group has a total of 46 years
coaching in the professional ranks, including 30 years in the National
Football League. The staff also has three coaches with professional
playing experience.

I am real high on the staff HCMR has assembled. However, I also keep in mind that when they showed up at Nebraska Kevin Cosgrove had 21 years experience, Ross Els had 22, and Elmassian had 30.

 

[Nebraska Fan]

ok try to fill a roster with 85 diamonds in the rough and let me know how that goes.

 

[Clevinger_rivals246724]

Originally posted by Nebraska Fan:
ok try to fill a roster with 85 diamonds in the rough and let me know how that goes.

Yeah, it's great to find them, but the teams that are winning titles are aggressively hording 4 and 5 star talent.

 

[litespeedhuskerfan_rivals19671]

Originally posted by Nebraska Fan:
ok try to fill a roster with 85 diamonds in the rough and let me know how that goes.

Nobody is suggesting we find & sign 85 guys who all flew under the national radar. Your exaggerating, a lot.

Nobody has an 85 man roster with all 4 and 5 star players either.

No state that produces as little D-1 talent as we do, is ever going to win any recruiting rankings.

Nebraska is never, ever, going to be the kind of job that a guy as hot as Harbaugh or Urban or Briles or Patterson is going to take a serious look at. People need to accept there are a ton of jobs out there better than Nebraska, tons. Doesn't mean we can't still win, but we aren't going to lure a top flight proven H.C. from a fertile recruiting area. Once a hot successful coach has tasted Texas or California or Florida talent at a school they've already won at, you can rule out Nebraska as their next destination. Accept it or you'll be disappointed for the rest of your life every time we go shopping for another coach.

I think Riley will do a great job of managing what he has to work with here, and get the most that you can get out of our program. Can't ask for more than that. I think that adds up to playing for a B1G title 3 out of 5 years, and winning a B1G title every 4 to 5 years with much less embarrassment along the way, and right about now that sounds pretty awesome.

 

[Headcard]

Originally posted by Husker.Wed.:

Originally posted by sparky62:


Including Stewart, the Nebraska staff has eight coaches
with professional coaching experience. The group has a total of 46 years
coaching in the professional ranks, including 30 years in the National
Football League. The staff also has three coaches with professional
playing experience.

I am real high on the staff HCMR has assembled. However, I also keep in mind that when they showed up at Nebraska Kevin Cosgrove had 21 years experience, Ross Els had 22, and Elmassian had 30.

Not one of those three has coached a single season of professional football.

This post was edited on 2/25 7:37 AM by headcard

 

[Pennsyhusker_rivals246774]

Originally posted by litespeedhuskerfan:

Originally posted by Nebraska Fan:
ok try to fill a roster with 85 diamonds in the rough and let me know how that goes.

Nobody is suggesting we find & sign 85 guys who all flew under the national radar. Your exaggerating, a lot.

Nobody has an 85 man roster with all 4 and 5 star players either.

No state that produces as little D-1 talent as we do, is ever going to win any recruiting rankings.

Nebraska is never, ever, going to be the kind of job that a guy as hot as Harbaugh or Urban or Briles or Patterson is going to take a serious look at. People need to accept there are a ton of jobs out there better than Nebraska, tons. Doesn't mean we can't still win, but we aren't going to lure a top flight proven H.C. from a fertile recruiting area. Once a hot successful coach has tasted Texas or California or Florida talent at a school they've already won at, you can rule out Nebraska as their next destination. Accept it or you'll be disappointed for the rest of your life every time we go shopping for another coach.

I think Riley will do a great job of managing what he has to work with here, and get the most that you can get out of our program. Can't ask for more than that. I think that adds up to playing for a B1G title 3 out of 5 years, and winning a B1G title every 4 to 5 years with much less embarrassment along the way, and right about now that sounds pretty awesome.

^^^This 1000%^^^^^ I am one of those people who still think you can win a national title at Nebraska. However, that said, it IS going to be harder to do that here than it would be at a school with a natural recruiting base. We need to face the fact that we were extremely blessed and lucky to have Devaney/Osborne for around 35 years. We also need to face the fact that those were different times where there was less parity in college football and power did tend to concentrate in the 20 or so teams that had it going their way. That success bred on itself and generated revenue and TV appearances other schools lacked. Now every damn game for every damn team (almost) is on TV every weekend and money seems to be no object wherever you go. Furthermore, even the great Osborne really only had to beat one good team in his conference every year (OU) and he often lost to that team. He also played good non conference teams and bowl games, losing some, winning others. But it is just false to portray even Osborne's teams as some kind of juggernaut that steamrolled everyone. But, with rare exception (OU, Miami, and FSU a few times) his teams never got blown out. That is what I hated about the past 17 years - - losing in blowouts on the big stage over and over and over. Riley has to change that or he will go the way of Pelini.

But why were the 90's so different? Why does that remain the single greatest run for any team in history? Well... some of it was just a lucky bounce here and there (Mizzou 97), and some of it was catching lightening in a bottle (getting Frazier out of Florida). But there were two huge factors that aided that run that we often ignore. First, the old SWC was falling apart with most of the teams on probation. OU was still in the pits of awfulness and so they too were down and out. That led to a huge recruiting boon for NU in the old Big8/Big12 footprint. That situation, obviously, no longer exists.

NU under Riley will have to recruit nationally and with great insight into talent analysis/management. There is also a need to recruit players to a "system". I like the Riley hire. I think it was a real stroke of genius to snag him. But the one thing that does concern me about him is that he seems to shift his system to match the players. Now ... at OSU you had to do that since you could not always get the players others were getting. Nor am I saying a coach should not adjust the system to reflect the talent. Even Osborne did that. But that has limits and can hurt in the long run if you have zero identity and are a running team one year and a passing team the next. I think Riley will be successful. And after three failed coaches we need him to be successful. But he needs to build a system and an identity in my view and then recruit his *** off nationally to get the players to fit that identity. This is not the "good old days" anymore and it is going to be harder than ever to win a title of any kind. But if Riley can field teams that are competitive in every game they play and knock off a big dog with some frequency, then NU will be back on the national radar.

 

[jteten]

Originally posted by litespeedhuskerfan:

Originally posted by Nebraska Fan:
ok try to fill a roster with 85 diamonds in the rough and let me know how that goes.

Nobody is suggesting we find & sign 85 guys who all flew under the national radar. Your exaggerating, a lot.

Nobody has an 85 man roster with all 4 and 5 star players either.

No state that produces as little D-1 talent as we do, is ever going to win any recruiting rankings.

Nebraska is never, ever, going to be the kind of job that a guy as hot as Harbaugh or Urban or Briles or Patterson is going to take a serious look at. People need to accept there are a ton of jobs out there better than Nebraska, tons. Doesn't mean we can't still win, but we aren't going to lure a top flight proven H.C. from a fertile recruiting area. Once a hot successful coach has tasted Texas or California or Florida talent at a school they've already won at, you can rule out Nebraska as their next destination. Accept it or you'll be disappointed for the rest of your life every time we go shopping for another coach.

I think Riley will do a great job of managing what he has to work with here, and get the most that you can get out of our program. Can't ask for more than that. I think that adds up to playing for a B1G title 3 out of 5 years, and winning a B1G title every 4 to 5 years with much less embarrassment along the way, and right about now that sounds pretty awesome.

#truth

 

[ssmill777]

Trust me, my favorite sauce man - I really hope you're right, but hitting .250 as a team - especially when most of that has been Boldt( hitting .560) - is not going to get it done at the D1 level. Granted, it is early, so we can hope, right?

 

[cubsker_rivals142943]

even worse is that Erstad likes bunting. The way he butchered the Big Ten Championship game last year leaves me with little hope.

 

[St. Anger]

Originally posted by cubsker:
even worse is that Erstad likes bunting. The way he butchered the Big Ten Championship game last year leaves me with little hope.

That stadium sucks something awful and lends itself well to bunting.

 

[St. Anger]

Going off of Sparky's post:

Pelini - never a HC
Beck - never an OC
Pap - never a DC
Els - never a college coach
Fisher - never a college coach

It's just night and day when comparing staffs.

 

[Tulsa Tom_rivals17485]

Originally posted by Nebraska Fan:
I think that's swell and about the same as Solich or Pelini. I am kind of hoping Riley can stop slumming and go after players who's skills are known, if they are more then 2 or 3 stars so much the better but it will be new territory for this staff.

Stop with the stars stuff. Get the players we can for the systems we want to run and ignore the stars. If Riley is as good as some say he is, he will put the stars on them. Give me a guy who is teachable and a hard worker and he will turn into something special.

 

[Redscarlet]

9-4 /10/4 is sucking?
Played in the NCAA tournment last year is sucking? AGREE this year we do.
Played in the NCAA baseball tournament is sucking.

Really need to look up the real meaning of sucking my friend or are you.

 

[sparky4986]

Originally posted by St. Anger:
Going off of Sparky's post:

Pelini - never a HC
Beck - never an OC
Pap - never a DC
Els - never a college coach
Fisher - never a college coach

It's just night and day when comparing staffs.

Let me add to this a little bit. A friend of mine compiled this on another site:

Current staff experience before Nebraska:

14 years HC at P5 school

37 years OC/DC at P5 school

73 years AC at P5 school

3 years HC in NFL

4 years OC/DC in NFL

21 years AC in NFL



Previous staff experience before Nebraska:

0 years HC at P5 school

9 years OC/DC at P5 school

29 years AC at P5 school (Ron Brown with 17)

0 years HC in NFL

0 years OC/DC in NFL

6 years AC in NFL

 

[Charlie Marlow_rivals363743]

not to be 'that guy', but what is the breakdown for Crapahan's staff?

someone else brought up the point that cosgrove, et al. had lots of experience too.

 

[jlb321_rivals110621]

if we get the same win-loss record without the wood shed beatings with a head coach that is a respectable human being then that will be a step in the right direction and on balance be a net positive

I hope Riley takes us to the next level and then hands the reigns over to a young hot commodity in Langsdorf and the progress continues along with continuity

 

[Clevinger_rivals246724]

Originally posted by scarletred:
9-4 /10/4 is sucking?

It is when you get raped whenever you play a decent team.

I have no doubt we would go undefeated if we could find more patsies for the schedule.

 

[sparky4986]

Originally posted by Clevinger:

Originally posted by scarletred:
9-4 /10/4 is sucking?

It is when you get raped whenever you play a decent team.

I have no doubt we would go undefeated if we could find more patsies for the schedule.

At least you're glass isn't 1/2 empty tonight Clev. You're getting closer to the good side.

 

[omnione]

Originally posted by scarletred:
9-4 /10/4 is sucking?

Final rankings:

2014: unranked in both polls
2013: AP-unranked, Coaches-#25
2012: AP-#25, Coaches-#23
2011: #24 in both polls

Such results would be great for the Iowa States of the world but not Nebraska. We've either barely finished in the top 25 or finished unranked the past 4 seasons. Throw in the 1-3 bowl record, zero championships, blowouts on the field, Bo's blowups off the field, and crappy record against ranked teams. You'll find that you have to go back to September-October 2010 to find a period when we weren't sucking.
This post was edited on 2/25 9:01 PM by omnione

 

[Nebraska Fan]

Sometimes a player's talent is known and near as I can tell none of these coaches have been a position to chase well known talent. I do hope they can get in a slug it out with the big boys since they are in that position now.

Relative to the "eye for talent" we hear that about every coach and for good reason.

 

[Redscarlet]

Originally posted by omnione:

Originally posted by scarletred:
9-4 /10/4 is sucking?
Final rankings:

2014: unranked in both polls
2013: AP-unranked, Coaches-#25
2012: AP-#25, Coaches-#23
2011: #24 in both polls

Such results would be great for the Iowa States of the world but not Nebraska. We've either barely finished in the top 25 or finished unranked the past 4 seasons. Throw in the 1-3 bowl record, zero championships, blowouts on the field, Bo's blowups off the field, and crappy record against ranked teams. You'll find that you have to go back to September-October 2010 to find a period when we weren't sucking.
This post was edited on 2/25 9:01 PM by omnione

Ya, I get the blow outs everyone gets that. But you cleave act like Nebraska was 5-7 or 4-8 and thanks for showing that were ranked you don't suck if your ranked in the top 25 and winning 9+.Callahan sucked I'll agree on that. Ask Minnesota if they sucked the last 2 years at 8-5.

 

[nebcountry]

As far as basketball is concerned, ask yourself, was last year or is this year the aberration. Over the longer term, I think that Miles will have NU playing more like last years team. If everything could go wrong, it did go wrong this year.

As far as football is concerned, CMR is a competent coach. The worst we should be is mediocre, so there is upside potential.