Imagine if the BIG 12 didn't adopt the CCG

Buckaineer

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So many claimed it was ridiculous for the conference to have a CCG---but where would the conference be if they didn't?

Without the CCG the BIG 12 champ would have been sitting home for the playoffs the last two or three years since they started it up again.

You could almost hear the pundits crying that the BIG 12 champ only played 12 games had they not played that extra one, and a B10, or SEC team with a couple of losses or even Utah would be in and the BIG 12 out.

Its the same for expansion---had they done it, the rewards would be seen today.

Good thing for the conference they realized the CCG was essential.
 

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Imagine if Buckaineer didn't post here....Life would be so simple. The board would be free for discussion until another profile was created.
 
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Imagine if you weren’t a hypocrite.
You constantly trash the head coach and staff of our program. Doing the very thing you complain others did to Dana.
#hypocrite.


So many claimed it was ridiculous for the conference to have a CCG---but where would the conference be if they didn't?

Without the CCG the BIG 12 champ would have been sitting home for the playoffs the last two or three years since they started it up again.

You could almost hear the pundits crying that the BIG 12 champ only played 12 games had they not played that extra one, and a B10, or SEC team with a couple of losses or even Utah would be in and the BIG 12 out.

Its the same for expansion---had they done it, the rewards would be seen today.

Good thing for the conference they realized the CCG was essential.
 

Buckaineer

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Imagine if you weren’t a hypocrite.
You constantly trash the head coach and staff of our program. Doing the very thing you complain others did to Dana.
#hypocrite.
You are just like Trump and the rethuglicans (I'm sure you are one of those idiots). You project what you do onto others.

Here, you bashed Hologorsen up and down for the better part of a decade, trashing him and the WVU program regardless of results whether beating Clemson or winning 10 games twice, having a 7 win year, or tolling the second most wins in schools history.

Now, after chasing that coach off, you have given a complete and total pass to the current coaching staff that has ACTUALLY in REALITY done all the "bad" things you accused the previous staff of relentlously.

That is the definition of HYPOCRISY. Not discussing facts about the previous staff or the current one as I have done. You may need to go back to school to gain a basic understanding of words.
 

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The only thing adding the ccg did was give espn 1 less thing to make up to keep them out. no team has ever been screwed over worse than TCU was year 1, but its e$pn and o$u, funny how state penn beat o$u won the conference title game but o$u still got in instead anyways in that situation. The narrative would just change to something else if they needed to do it to benefit their buddies. And Oklahoma should still have been in the past 3 years without it, even if utah would have beat oregon, which wouldnt happen if they played 12 times
 

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The only thing adding the ccg did was give espn 1 less thing to make up to keep them out. no team has ever been screwed over worse than TCU was year 1, but its e$pn and o$u, funny how state penn beat o$u won the conference title game but o$u still got in instead anyways in that situation. The narrative would just change to something else if they needed to do it to benefit their buddies. And Oklahoma should still have been in the past 3 years without it, even if utah would have beat oregon, which wouldnt happen if they played 12 times
This thread has nothing to do with The Ohio State University, which is currently ranked in the Top 3 in both football and basketball. Chug a tall glass of STFU, Buckeye-hatin' HollerTard.
 

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ESPN started this playoff sham and it was oh, with close teams its head to head, if not common opponents, quality of loss if any, quality of schedule, TCU was multiple spots ahead of o$u, they both won last week blowouts, boom up 2 spots to the playoff o$u. But they cry about LSU jumping them this year, their coach just doesnt understand as if it shouldnt have already been that way.

Look back at year 1, dickstreit can talk about the "perception" that the big 12 was the better conference, it WAS much better, and everybody played everybody, which apparently doesn't count. Quality of loss, tcu a fourth quarter comeback at home by #5 Baylor, suckeyes, 2 touchdown literal manhandling at home in primetime by a 6 win VT team. But Herbie says oh the online became different human beings later on. 1 common opponent, o$u best minnesota by 7 on a 4th quarter td when they were playing their best ball ever or whatever, tcu beat them by double digits with no fear of a loss. No excuse, at all, none, for TCU to be left out, let alone jumped that bad the last week to make it happen no matter how many o$u people work at espn. Oh o$u beat bama by 7, good win, so did ole miss on the road, how did they look against TCU, yeah
 

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That's when they had to spit out the BS of, "no conference title game" as an excuse for it, again like everybody playing everybody means nothing. Clemson beat virginia this year heck pitt recently, if there were 5 unbeatens, and last year one was bama or this year LSU, but there was no SEC title game, by those screwed up standards, clemson deserves it more than those 2 did for winning a big 12 title game. Why didnt penn state get in over o$u? Would ucf or Memphis this year get in over LSU if there were no SEC title game? Its ******** words to fit whatever narrative espn needs to sell to get its teams in each year, and that's all it is and its obvious.

They went off on the big 12 after tcu got hosed, this doesnt get talked about enough, the conference sucks, no title game, no defense ever, you'll never be a title contender have a terrible time even getting in the playoff if you're in the big 12. Recruiting in the conference top to bottom, and especially with high ranked players, immediately dropped, why go there if you want a title they cant get in you're being told if u are a high ranked kid, and now how much parity at the top of college football?? Yeah ok, and they had nothing to do with it and I'm sure didnt intend it that way. I'm gonna go talk to my elves by the bridge I just bought on mars
 

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No matter how many times you hold your breath, clinch your tiny fists, stomp your puny feet, and vomit Ohio State hate from your ***** mouth, MuracaTard, the Buckeyes proved in 2014-15 that they belonged in the CFP by thumping the top two teams in America (Alabama and Oregon) and winning the very first CFP Championship. Now, go back to cleaning toilets.
 
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Buck,
We've been through this BS before. I've already schooled you on this.
1. I did not bash Holgorsen while he was here. Only after he CHOSE to leave despite a contract, and was no longer our Coach, did I post anything about his coaching ability. Unlike you, I support our current coaches and give them the benefit of the doubt.
2. You have stated on here that it's wrong for people to have bashed Holgo while he was here because it is something that recruits can see and it can affect the program negatively. So, regardless of whether your opinion of HCNB is incorrect/correct: your constant bashing of the current coach, by your own admission, is wrong.
3. You claim that you are somehow justified in bashing HCNB non stop because some people on here bashed Holgo when he was coaching is total and complete hypocrisy, which you refuse to acknowledge.
4. Your claim that you are somehow just posting facts when you trash HCNB is bullshlt. It's your opinion. Many informed people, including those in the national media, other coaches, analysts (who know better than you) have stated that he's done a good job based on what he's had to work with. Your decision to opine otherwise is just your opinion.
5. I've not given any pass to HCNB. The difference between you and me is that: 1. I support our current coach on a public forum; 2. I have faith in HCNB that he's right for the program and look at the positives in what he's done instead of cherry-picking negatives like you and trashing him nonstop.
It's his first season in a very tough league with an extremely young team and was 1 late score vs OSU and/or 3 points vs BU from a bowl with new QB, 5 freshman starting or playing majority of game on D by end of season; was only favored in 2 games yet won 5; won two road games as double digit underdog- something Holgorsen never did here).
6. Holgorsen:
Second most losses in school history;
Lost the last 3 games of the season 2 years in a row;
2-5 in bowls;
Worst record in 19 years in his THIRD season (4-8);
Worst 2 defenses statistically in 19 years (2013 and 2012);
Lost 3 bowl games in a row.
0-7 vs Oklahoma.
Finished in bottom half of B12 the majority of his seasons here.

7. See, the difference you can't get through your thick, stubborn, opinionated head is that:
a. I didn't trash Holgo while he was our coach.
b. I choose to look at the positives with HCNB and am willing to give him more than his first season before deciding whether he'll be good here.
c. you trash our current coach, and when called out on it, you claim you're somehow justified because 'other people trashed Holgo while he was coach'.
d. you choose to cherry pick negatives and ignore the positives to fit your narrative that you don't like HCNB, you never gave HCNB a chance and are sore because your hero Holgo CHOSE to leave here and go to a lesser school.


You are just like Trump and the rethuglicans (I'm sure you are one of those idiots). You project what you do onto others.

Here, you bashed Hologorsen up and down for the better part of a decade, trashing him and the WVU program regardless of results whether beating Clemson or winning 10 games twice, having a 7 win year, or tolling the second most wins in schools history.

Now, after chasing that coach off, you have given a complete and total pass to the current coaching staff that has ACTUALLY in REALITY done all the "bad" things you accused the previous staff of relentlously.

That is the definition of HYPOCRISY. Not discussing facts about the previous staff or the current one as I have done. You may need to go back to school to gain a basic understanding of words.
 

Buckaineer

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Buck,
We've been through this BS before. I've already schooled you on this.
1. I did not bash Holgorsen while he was here. Only after he CHOSE to leave despite a contract, and was no longer our Coach, did I post anything about his coaching ability. Unlike you, I support our current coaches and give them the benefit of the doubt.
2. You have stated on here that it's wrong for people to have bashed Holgo while he was here because it is something that recruits can see and it can affect the program negatively. So, regardless of whether your opinion of HCNB is incorrect/correct: your constant bashing of the current coach, by your own admission, is wrong.
3. You claim that you are somehow justified in bashing HCNB non stop because some people on here bashed Holgo when he was coaching is total and complete hypocrisy, which you refuse to acknowledge.
4. Your claim that you are somehow just posting facts when you trash HCNB is bullshlt. It's your opinion. Many informed people, including those in the national media, other coaches, analysts (who know better than you) have stated that he's done a good job based on what he's had to work with. Your decision to opine otherwise is just your opinion.
5. I've not given any pass to HCNB. The difference between you and me is that: 1. I support our current coach on a public forum; 2. I have faith in HCNB that he's right for the program and look at the positives in what he's done instead of cherry-picking negatives like you and trashing him nonstop.
It's his first season in a very tough league with an extremely young team and was 1 late score vs OSU and/or 3 points vs BU from a bowl with new QB, 5 freshman starting or playing majority of game on D by end of season; was only favored in 2 games yet won 5; won two road games as double digit underdog- something Holgorsen never did here).
6. Holgorsen:
Second most losses in school history;
Lost the last 3 games of the season 2 years in a row;
2-5 in bowls;
Worst record in 19 years in his THIRD season (4-8);
Worst 2 defenses statistically in 19 years (2013 and 2012);
Lost 3 bowl games in a row.
0-7 vs Oklahoma.
Finished in bottom half of B12 the majority of his seasons here.

7. See, the difference you can't get through your thick, stubborn, opinionated head is that:
a. I didn't trash Holgo while he was our coach.
b. I choose to look at the positives with HCNB and am willing to give him more than his first season before deciding whether he'll be good here.
c. you trash our current coach, and when called out on it, you claim you're somehow justified because 'other people trashed Holgo while he was coach'.
d. you choose to cherry pick negatives and ignore the positives to fit your narrative that you don't like HCNB, you never gave HCNB a chance and are sore because your hero Holgo CHOSE to leave here and go to a lesser school.

lies, lies, misdirection and hypocrisy, all you've got.

Discussing facts about Holgorsen and about Brown is ALL that I've done here.

You just don't like the facts. There is no cherry picking or anything else--that is exactly what you and your ilk have done, ignoring all that flies in the face of your ignorant agenda.
 
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“Discussing facts about Holgorsen and about Brown is ALL that I've done here.“

Hey Buck,
#exposed. #hypocrite. You bash HCNB with your BS opinions (not ‘facts’) as evidenced by the following (this is just the tip of the iceberg of your BS):

-"The new coaching staff has quickly dropped WVU into the dregs of college football", "this staff that seems in over their heads"- Buckaineer, Sep 9, 2019

-"Brown is sucking it up and I'm going to talk about it." Buckaineer, Oct 29, 2019

" WVUs program is being Kragthorped" Buckaineer, Oct 23, 2019

-"The only people supporting this debacle are a few social media trolls trying to tell everyone else what to think." Buckaineer, Nov 15, 2019

-"He and his staff seem to be learning on the job how to coach and perform at the highest levels of cfb-- where WVU exists and plays.
Its not looking good for him to turn this around. The final few games will tell WVU fans where this is going
." Buckaineer, Nov 11, 2019

-"Simply shows lack of what it takes to compete at this level... The previous staff wouldve won at least 7 games" Buckaineer, Nov 11, 2019

-"Obviously is learning on the job as he tries to coach at the major college ranks." Buckaineer, Oct 24, 2019

-"Browns quick call to try and quiet the fanbase with words, that all is not good on the fanbase side of things. Three more straight losses and things are not going be fine over the offseason. No matter if 4 or 5 trolls on a message board try to excuse things away or not." Buckaineer, Nov 11, 2019

-"Brown seems to be a poor evaluator of talent" -Buckaineer, Nov 11, 2019

-"Theres no expectation that Neal Brown is going to win anything... Theres no plan to win down the road, just an attemot each week to try and figure out who to play and what to do, half the time with miserable results." -Buckaineer, Nov 11, 2019

-"Brown isnt doing his job and the people paying the bills are not going to tolerate multiple losing seasons while Brown figures out how to compete against a real schedule. whats happening now is a disgrace to the Mountaineer fanbase and all the time , money and energy expended on behalf of the team and coaching staff." Buckaineer, Nov 13, 2019

Buck, Neal Brown and his Staff will have our program winning big. No thanks to you constantly and hypocritically trashing him with your BS opinions just like you claim others did to Dana. When HCNB is winning big here, you won’t deserve to be a wvu fan. You don’t deserve to be a wvu fan period. #hypocrite. I bet you won’t respond to this post you spineless hypocrite.

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lies, lies, misdirection and hypocrisy, all you've got.

Discussing facts about Holgorsen and about Brown is ALL that I've done here.

You just don't like the facts. There is no cherry picking or anything else--that is exactly what you and your ilk have done, ignoring all that flies in the face of your ignorant agenda.
 
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and Back to the subject at hand and away from the usual troll derailing.

Adding the CCG has been a critical component to the success of WVUs league. So many OOC trolls tried to influence the decision and tell the BIG 12 fans (who they hoped would take their complaints to BIG 12 leaders) whining that there was no need for any changes, no need for a CCG or anything else.

But again, we've seen just how critical this addition has been for WVU's conference. Without it for two or three years running there would be and would have been 0 participation by the BIG 12 in the playoff.

The next step is to address the FOOTPRINT of the conference so that more votes will go the BIG 12's way in placement in the playoff.

This year as usual, despite having by far the best OOC win % of any conference, BIG 12 schools were artificially held back in the ratings right up until the final game. A larger conference expands the people who push for inclusion and rankings. It allows the teams to win more games. Look at the horrid acc this year--10 teams made bowls despite the poor play--because of three things:

A. They skip playing FIVE members each year

B. They don't play a round robin

C. They play FOUR OOC games, most of which are G5 and/or FCS.

Gives Clemson all it needs for high seeding in the playoff.

and having a larger conference footprint allowed them to gain a 24/7 channel that is on in many parts of the country and will bring some revenues into that conference.
 

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This thread is everything that is wrong with the free board...great job bucky (who is a true piece of ****) and suckeye fan (an assclown).