In 13 years all the new cars India sells will be electric. Link. *
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Where would it all come from if they just continued on building gas cars instead of shifting over to electric? You act like they're starting something new from scratch. They're gradually changing their system to a better way. It'll save some lives in their country and it'll make their population healthier and it will pollute less and in the long run it will make their country wealthier. Spending X now in order to end up with more than X in the future is called a "smart investment."
Without our involvement and footing the bill for most of the tech research, how long do you think Paris will last? I'm guessing it's done.
Agreed. Where is the money going to come from? Germany? LOL, they won't even pay their NATO defense agreement. They needed our wallet to keep the deal going.
LOL. India wants $2.5T to remain in the accord. This has already been posted on this board. Remember, the Guardian is a very, very far left newspaper. I will wait and see if India follows through on their electric cars if the U.S. doesn't foot much of that $2.5T bill.
"Money will be a big challenge for India, which says it will require over $2.5tn (£1.9tn) to meet all its targets. It says it will achieve the targets only if other countries give it money and discounts on new technology."
https://www.theguardian.com/environ...ris-climate-change-agreement-un-narendra-modi
Oh, well if it's posted on this board then it must be gold.
India is part of the Paris Accords as if every other country except Syria, Nicaragua and the good old US of A.
And China is as well but has stated they will not start any reductions of carbon until 2030. Do you trust them to keep their commitment? Remember, it is strictly voluntary. India wants $2.5T to reduce its carbon. What happens if they don't get the money? After all, it strictly voluntary.
You seem to either not understand or choose to ignore the fact that all the countries that signed it, make up their own commitments but have no restrictions placed on them if they don't and there is no enforcement to ensure they comply. It is a completely toothless agreement that was much more about wealth transfer than about global warming. Remember, even if everyone lived up to what them committed to, it would reduce global temps by just .05 degrees C by the year 2100.
As I stated, without the U.S. money, India will NEVER fulfill what it said it would do. They don't have the money and Europe will certainly not up their financial support.
India and China were projected to be the major benefactors of the redistribution of US money which will be borrowed from China. India will be burning coal from China. I guess it works pretty well going directly. Hell, this would have worked out pretty well if Johnson or Kennedy would have dreamed this scam. Would not have made any difference to US since everyone has attempted to give her money away. Could see the benefit to Social Security fund. The Bird may have another source to finance her Make America Beautiful Again other than Intra government accounting.
- Hero Honda Motors.
- Hyundai Motors.
- Mahindra & Mahindra.
- Maruti Udyog.
- San Motors.
- Skoda.
- Tata Motors.
- Yamaha Motors.
Electric cars powered by electricity from coal fired power plants.......that's a win for the coal industry but it doesn't do much for the environment. Another "green energy" hoax.
https://www.carbonbrief.org/india-p...gle-handedly-jeopordise-one-point-five-target
https://www.carbonbrief.org/india-p...gle-handedly-jeopordise-one-point-five-target
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LOL.
India building too many coal-fired power plants, researchers claim
04/26/2017
By Tildy Bayar
Features Editor
India’s pipeline of planned coal-fired power plants is set to exceed its power demand and derail its climate ambitions, US researchers have claimed.
In a paper published this week in the American Geophysical Union journal Earth’s Future, researchers from the University of California found that 243 GW of coal-fired generation capacity were under development in India in mid-2016, with an additional 178 GW proposed.
True.........but on top of that 30% of India's electricity is from oil fired power plants. So 89% of all power in India is generated from fossil fuel. Them switching to electric cars may look good on the surface but it's only going to serve to put more CO2 into the atmosphere as they generate more fossil fuel fired electricity to meet the demand to power the chargers. Just another "green energy" hoax.
India wanted $2.5T to begin to comply with its stated goals in the Paris Accord. If they don't get that money, they won't comply with their already modest goals. Where will that money come from now that the U.S. has pulled out? Germany won't even meets its NATO monetary agreement.
No it's not. 14.8 % is from hydropower, 9.8 % is from wind, 3.7 % from solar, and the rest is split between nuclear, biomass, gas and diesel. Don't lie just to try to make a point.
LOL.
India building too many coal-fired power plants, researchers claim
04/26/2017
By Tildy Bayar
Features Editor
India’s pipeline of planned coal-fired power plants is set to exceed its power demand and derail its climate ambitions, US researchers have claimed.
In a paper published this week in the American Geophysical Union journal Earth’s Future, researchers from the University of California found that 243 GW of coal-fired generation capacity were under development in India in mid-2016, with an additional 178 GW proposed.
MUMBAI, India — Just a few years ago, the world watched nervously as India went on a building spree of coal-fired power plants, more than doubling its capacity and claiming that more were needed. Coal output, officials said, would almost triple, to 1.5 billion tons, by 2020.
India’s plans were cited by American critics of the Paris climate accord as proof of the futility of advanced nations trying to limit their carbon output. But now, even as President Trump pulls the United States out of the pact, India has undergone an astonishing turnaround, driven in great part by a steep fall in the cost of solar power.
Experts now say that India not only has no need of any new coal-fired plants for at least a decade, given that existing plants are running below 60 percent of capacity, but that after that it could rely on renewable sources for all its additional power needs.
Rather than building coal-fired plants, it is now canceling many in the early planning stages. And last month, the government lowered its annual production target for coal to 600 million tons from 660 million.
Coal does power electric vehicles (EVs) as does other sources like natural gas and solar. I'm sure India will use lots of coal to power their EVs, among other sources. As I've said on here many times, the death of coal isn't coming anytime soon and instead it's going to be a long, slow fade.
That said though, I'd prefer using coal to power EVs than gas powering gas cars. First of all EVs use the energy put into them more efficiently than do gas cars. The electricity used for EVs is generated in a plant somewhere whose purpose is to convert coal or gas into energy as efficiently as possible. The heat energy generated in the process is captured and used too. OTOH in gas cars the engine is the power plant and a lot of the energy generated by it is lost, especially the heat energy.
Also, EVs encourages conversion to solar, which as solar gets more efficient will happen more and more. If you have a gas car then you can convert your home to solar and power your home but you won't be powering your car. OTOH if you have an EV then converting your home to solar is more attractive because it allows you to power your car too.
What is the date on this article? This article is from just one month ago.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/phys.org/news/2017-04-india-coal-conflict-climate-commitments.amp
Let's see what happens when India does not receive that $2.5 trillion in cash. Renewables simply cannot provide baseload power.