In 2015, Schumer called for a crackdown on visa program and better vetting of refugees
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He certainly seems to be. Trump wants a temporary ban from the 7 countries that Obama cited as the most dangerous and Chuckie goes ballistic. We now have thousands from those countries applying for visas when Chuckie wanted a visa crackdown.
I find it difficult to defend Shumer for anything. But I think there is a difference between bans and being selective with visa applications. Trump should have started the reforms with a less incendiary EO maybe? Wonder why he didn't?
Boom, the ban is temporary so that we have time to review our vetting processes. Perfectly reasonable and involves only the 7 most dangerous countries that Obama cited. Trump's number one job is to save and protect American lives. Schumer is an absolute hypocrite, but so are most politicians on both sides of the aisle.
A 90 day pause to figure out your process is inflammatory? Ya'll off your rockers.
Sure seems to have gone over really well too. Guess you're right, it wasn't incendiary at all was it.
It was incendiary on the left. They want essentially no restrictions on refugees. A 90 pause to re-evaluate our vetting processes from the most dangerous countries is very reasonable.
This will go to SCOTUS and SCOTUS will overturn. The President has extremely wide latitude when national security is involved. This judge way overstepped his bounds.
Never thought a sovereign nation trying to defend its border successfully while still allowing immigration and refugee's would be such a problem
You see that's not the problem The problem is is that it is not wide open borders and do the snowflakes are going to scream bloody murder over that.
Well maybe if Trump didn't say during the campaign that he would ban Muslims from immigrating until the US figures out how to deal with the terrorist threat, people might think the 90 days is just that and not a prelude to a more expanded ban that lasts until the end of his presidency. Talk tough, make vague statements, and people aren't going to trust your actions sometimes.
The whole "open boarders to bring in dem votes conspiracy", right? The Republicans are the only political party that actually care about America?
Boom, any reasonable person would acknowledge that Dems want open borders for votes and the GOP elite want open borders for cheap labor. Both have motives.
Otherwise, why keep a border open if it serves as the largest conduit of drugs into the country? Why keep it open when we are under terrorist threat?
Both sides have a motive.
I give you credit for calling out both sides. Personally, I think the drug problem should be about demand...the supply will find away unless we address demand.
And I think intelligence and law enforcement are the most effective areas to apply our resources to prevent terrorism. We need to join with Europe and see it as a global problem, building walls won't stop it
I said GOP elite, not the folks. The conservative non-elites don't want open borders. Look at the polls.
I think we need to fight both supply and demand. That is the most effective way to deal with this scourge. It the supply is severely curtailed, it helps on the demand side and visa versa.
And you're wrong. Border security will help in the fight against terrorism. Take a look at open borders France. Or open borders Germany. Or open borders Belgium. Or open borders Sweden. Why do you think the Brits exited the EU? In part because of their concern with open borders.
A wall isn't going to severely curtail supply. It will make the product more expensive for sure, and a lot of junkies will be committing more crimes. They will get the product in, somehow. I throw out every coupon that comes in the mail...my wife still finds the sales.
A wall will help greatly. Have you ever spoken to a border control agent? I have. If you haven't, you really should. Eye opening.
The border is the single largest entry point for drugs. The cartels openly operate in Mexico on that border. They will find it very difficult to find alternative ways to get that amount of drugs across our border.
The southern border is the CHEAPEST entry point. There are many others, and I guarantee they will be very effective at using them. There are these things that look kinda like cars that move through the sky, and these other car-like things that move across water....I know, I know sounds like Star Wars stuff, but its true!
It is the cheapest and the easiest. Much more difficult if that border is closed. Why are you so intent on keeping the border open? Drugs, terrorists, illegal criminal aliens, etc. all dangerous to this country.
Yes, there are planes, boats, that can carry drugs. But those planes can be tracked. Those boats have to land somewhere. Once we close off the border, we can enhance and focus our enforcement efforts elsewhere, right?
We can't stop it completely but we can put a huge dent in it.
My God Boom, drugs are not a problem? Are you actually making that claim? Stopping drugs from coming across that border, stopping terrorists from coming across that border, stopping criminal aliens from crossing that border and actually knowing and approving who comes into the country is fixing a problem. A huge problem.
Why don't you tell the victims of illegal alien violence like Kate Steinle's family (who was murdered by an illegal alien that crossed the border 6 times, was given sanctuary in San Francisco, released even though the Feds asked San Fran police to detain him due to his felony record) that we are not solving a problem.
Again, demand is the problem. And I forgot that we don't have any killers in the US, so maybe you're right....we build a wall and no one gets murdered or raped anymore? ****, I'm in then!
Trump was elected. Gotta oppose anything he wants to do. Care not of any previous beliefs or proclamations. Do what the police dictates and care not about the welfare of the Country or what you have said or stood for. BLAH.
Like asking state to address different implementations of his desired policies in regards to visa approvals and refugee acceptance. Then releasing an EO that declares only visas meeting certain requirements will be accepted until the state department finalizes the new procedures. Making sure to address travelers whose visas had already been approved, and others caught in transition of the new requirement implementations.
Or hey, outline what extreme vetting means, how it differs from the current process, and a timetable for when these changes will be implemented BEFORE throwing a vague ban that scares Americans that are actively seeking to bring loved ones from countries banned to the US.
You logic makes zero sense. You don't want to try and stem the flow of drugs, just focus on use. Because we have murders in the U.S. you don't want to try and stem the flow of murders. Wow.
Boom, immigration law is a national issue. States asked Obama for the ability to determine their acceptance of refugees and he REFUSED. This EO was not about visas meeting certain requirements, it was about determining vetting procedures to save American lives. Why risk American lives from those 7 countries that Obama identified while you go through the process. Is even one life worth that?
I agree with your last point. Green card holders should not have been impacted. And much better procedures in place for travelers in transit.
Wow! I think 14-15 billion can be spent on other things that will do a better job of stemming these issues. Did you really not get that buddy? Wow!
I guess I miss the fact that Americans have been killed by immigrants with visas from these nations?
How would you know? You are guessing, right? You have no idea. And you are making a huge assumption. Who pays for the wall and how? That is still to be decided, but my bet is that Mexico pays for it through some sort of fee on financial transactions between the two countries.
Boom, let me ask you a fundamental question. Does America have a right to determine who gets to come into this country?
The word I and the word THINK are crucial there. I know you KNOW you are right about everything, you and President Trump, but I do only assume my opinions are right.
So I point out the obvious, you have zero idea if you idea will make any difference at all:
Wow! I think 14-15 billion can be spent on other things that will do a better job of stemming these issues.
I don't assume all my opinions are right, but when you make a claim that border security is not important, that is not factual.
Again, answer my question. Do Americans have a right to determine who comes into our country? Yes or no?
Just answer my question Boom that have have assiduously avoided. Do Americans have a right to determine who comes into this country? It is a very, very simply yes or no question.
What Americans? The ones at the State Department? INS Americans? Americans that work at the Department of Homeland Security? Trump? You? Shumer? Whoopi?
Quit deflecting. Immigration law is the province of Congress. Enforcement is the province of the Executive Branch. The Judicial Branch makes no law, only interprets.
Do our Representatives have the right to determine who enters our country? Quit deflecting. Easy answer. Yes or no.
No. Everyone should be allowed, and EVERYONE should receive a copy of The NY Times, a big fat joint, and a condom at the border.