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WVUALLEN

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Maybe he should leave McCabe on the floor then WVU would not 23 points worse than the opponent.
 
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spartansstink

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Its time to start looking...

We'll never get over the hump with Huggins. Yes, he's earned all the accolades, yes he's a hall of famer, yada yada yada. Yes, we've reached the pinnacle we're going to reach under him.

You build a nine point lead. Take the players out who got you the nine point lead. Lose lead, lose game.

Wash and repeat.
 
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still5-0vstarheels said:
I love McCabe but my point is your point is statistical a wash going into this game. Based on the eye test, we run better offensively with him in.
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Until McBride learns what he's doing we are better with McCabe in.

IMO we are better with McCabe and McBride in together.
 
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still5-0vstarheels said:
Last night for sure.
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Just to peak at what the numbers are saying. (but numbers don't show heart and effort)

What has McBride done in past 5 games since the Missouri?
Points 33
PPG 6.6
FG 12-38 / 31.5%
3pt 3-16 / 18.7%
Assist 7
TO 9

McCabe (hasn't been a scorer all year)
Points 19
PPG 3.8 (yearly avg is 3.5)
FG 7 for 19 / 36.8%
3pt 3-11 / 27.2%
Assist 6
TO 7

The rest of the team is just as bad. Can this team turn the slop around? I have no idea. But I do know they're capable of getting things back on track.
 
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Huggins is the best coach WVU has had in 25 years. When the wins come again after Baylor then stay gone you bandwagon hypocrites.
 
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INMYLIFETIMEPLZ said:
Do you think they don't have their legs or is the slump in their heads?
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Alright! Thank you for a solid post (instead of the good fan/bad fan BS that has normally filled this site)!

Honestly, I'm thinking you might be on to something. Probably a little of both.

If you notice, we do seem to do pretty well for 32 to 36 minutes a game. Earlier in the year the team seemed to have more hop in their step, seemed to have more fun playing the game. Now, it appears, everybody seems to be approaching the game like its a job, and a crappy one at that. Nobody seems to be congratulating anyone, no smiles or high fives or even pats on the back to pick someone back up. Its like everyone (even Huggins) is just going through the motions. I don't even see him chewing the *** out of his players of referees anymore. This is why I'm more down on him right now - the mental toughness just isn't there - from him or the players.

Now, to the legs idea. We do seem to start a little slow, pick up, then fade down the stretch. We are asking kids to come off the bench completely cold and provide a spark. Then, when they miss a couple, back to the bench they go. Doesn't make sense to me. I get that this worked under Press Virginia, when you constantly needed fresh legs but the rules have changed to the point where now you can't really do more than do a token press.

It appears like this constantly changing of personnel has led to the team being a bunch of sprinters instead of a bunch of milers. Down the stretch (of a game or season) you need milers. We brought in the #1 JUCO scorer (McNeil) and #2 JUCO scorer in Sherman and now neither of them can shoot worth a darn. Why? They obviously didn't forget how to shoot so it must be something else. I would argue that Huggins needs to pick 5 starters and stay with them as much as possible to prepare this team for the tournament. Platoon if you like based on who gives you this best matchups but just stay with them. Look at our losses (and wins) and see if this appears true to you also.

To back up my points, I'll throw some stats...

Right now,
Free throw % - 63.35% (334th in the nation = 20th worst)
3 point % - 30.88% (292nd in the nation)
 
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I don't gamble. WVU goes agaisnt the grain. Tough team to bet on. You should consult with THICK, he knows the numbers.
 
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No matter how you look at it... those numbers are BAD.

Historically, this is the WORST 3 point shooting in WVU history.

Don't know about free throw percentage but can't imagine it ever being worse. Not going to bother looking it up because its depressing enough as it is.

So, how does a kid who shot 91% from the line last year in JUCO and was the leading scorer in JUCO come in to a team WHO CAN'T SHOOT and sits the bench while the rest of the team shoots so poorly? Same can be said for the number 2 JUCO scorer who comes in, mostly sits the bench, while players who have been here for years, who still can't shoot, play meaningful minutes over them?

Any guesses?
 
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spartansstink said:
No matter how you look at it... those numbers are BAD.

Historically, this is the WORST 3 point shooting in WVU history.

Don't know about free throw percentage but can't imagine it ever being worse. Not going to bother looking it up because its depressing enough as it is.

So, how does a kid who shot 91% from the line last year in JUCO and was the leading scorer in JUCO come in to a team WHO CAN'T SHOOT and sits the bench while the rest of the team shoots so poorly? Same can be said for the number 2 JUCO scorer who comes in, mostly sits the bench, while players who have been here for years, who still can't shoot, play meaningful minutes over them?

Any guesses?
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Our fans think they know everything.
 
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Not everything. Not even close to everything. But enough.

Enough to know those kinds of numbers aren't going to take us very far in the tournament. Enough to know that these numbers aren't anomalies. If they were I wouldn't even be spouting them here. They are a trend and this trend is a negative trend going on for years now. Enough to know that sticking your head into the sand and ignoring them doesn't lead to better results. You and I both saw the same "trending" stats for Dana and we both wanted him replaced. Yet, I think your allegiance to Huggins over WVU basketball is blinding you here.
 
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Thought I'd go back and look at where we landed historically under Huggins - for those who want total and complete accuracy in statistics and all.

  • '19-20 (353) - 2p% (230) | 3p% (312) | FT% (331)
  • '18-19 (353) - 2p% (287) | 3p% (309) | FT% (245)
  • '17-18 (351) - 2p% (237) | 3p% (156) | FT% (25)
  • '16-17 (351) - 2p% (164) | 3p% (116) | FT% (236)
  • '15-16 (351) - 2p% (128) | 3p% (274) | FT% (274)
  • '14-15 (351) - 2p% (289) | 3p% (291) | FT% (277)
  • '13-14 (351) - 2p% (259) | 3p% (44) | FT% (96)
  • '12-13 (347) - 2p% (290) | 3p% (273) | FT% (177)
  • '11-12 (344) - 2p% (105) | 3p% (322) | FT% (243)
  • '10-11 (345) - 2p% (199) | 3p% (201) | FT% (105)
  • '09-10 (347) - 2p% (170) | 3p% (193) | FT% (120)
  • '08-09 (344) - 2p% (181) | 3p% (231) | FT% (140)
  • '07-08 (341) - 2p% (99) | 3p% (152) | FT% (170)
There's no trend here. Nothing at all. Everything's fine...
 
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Did Oscar sit the last FIVE minutes of the Kansas loss with ONLY 4 fouls???

After going for 14 points and 9 rebounds?

Seriously. Did our Hall of Fame coach leave his leading scorer and arguably best player on the bench for the last 5:00+ minutes of the Kansa loss??!
 
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spartansstink said:
No matter how you look at it... those numbers are BAD.

Historically, this is the WORST 3 point shooting in WVU history.

Don't know about free throw percentage but can't imagine it ever being worse. Not going to bother looking it up because its depressing enough as it is.

So, how does a kid who shot 91% from the line last year in JUCO and was the leading scorer in JUCO come in to a team WHO CAN'T SHOOT and sits the bench while the rest of the team shoots so poorly? Same can be said for the number 2 JUCO scorer who comes in, mostly sits the bench, while players who have been here for years, who still can't shoot, play meaningful minutes over them?

Any guesses?
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Some of it could be that JUCO defenses give them more open looks and they are not used to having to shoot contested shots. Just being a great shooter is one thing, but when the defense doesn't give you open looks or allow you to create shots, suddenly all that prowess means nothing. That being said, McNeil and Sherman have had some games where even on good looks they miss 1/2 or more of those shots when they didn't in JUCO. It also doesn't help that even with a great shooter, the offense game plan rarely creates open looks.
 
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sg44gold said:
Did Oscar sit the last FIVE minutes of the Kansas loss with ONLY 4 fouls???

After going for 14 points and 9 rebounds?

Seriously. Did our Hall of Fame coach leave his leading scorer and arguably best player on the bench for the last 5:00+ minutes of the Kansa loss??!
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I questioned this as well. But saying that, Oscar only had 2 pts and 2 boards the entire 2nd half. He played most of the 12-14 mins before the final 6 mins. Not sure if he went cold, got injured, tired or what. Or if Huggs was trying to prove a point or being stubborn. Hard to say.
 
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sg44gold said:
Did Oscar sit the last FIVE minutes of the Kansas loss with ONLY 4 fouls???

After going for 14 points and 9 rebounds?

Seriously. Did our Hall of Fame coach leave his leading scorer and arguably best player on the bench for the last 5:00+ minutes of the Kansa loss??!
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Yeah let's put him in there and watch KU pack that zone forcing WVU to try to make a basket from outside. Yup that was working.
 
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WVUALLEN said:
Yeah let's put him in there and watch KU pack that zone forcing WVU to try to make a basket from outside. Yup that was working.
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And there you have it. The inability to shoot outside, a trend that has been going on for years now, cost WVU a much needed win. If that trend changed, just a little, then Culver and/or Oscar could have double-doubles virtually every night. Now, all they get are double-teams and double minutes on the bench in foul trouble from having to carry too much of the load.
 
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Rootmaster said:
Lol...that makes no sense.
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That's what I figured. Your clueless.

Hey are you watching KU and OU run the WVU archaic offense? They're doing the weave and trying to pound the ball inside. Lucky for them they have somebody that makes outside shots.
 
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WVUALLEN said:
That's what I figured. Your clueless.

Hey are you watching KU and OU run the WVU archaic offense? They're doing the weave and trying to pound the ball inside. Lucky for them they have somebody that makes outside shots.
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And if you don't have outside shooters ... still run it? Not the shooters are having a bad night, but you flat out don't have reliable shooters you can trust. Also if you haven't had those shooters for several years in a row ... keep running?
 
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WVUALLEN said:
That's what I figured. Your clueless.

Hey are you watching KU and OU run the WVU archaic offense? They're doing the weave and trying to pound the ball inside. Lucky for them they have somebody that makes outside shots.
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That would be "you're clueless " not "your clueless "...unless you were referring to yourself of course. Kind of kills your credibility lol.
 
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