In Defense of Flood

[RU-ROCS]

It's hard to argue that Flood is the solution for RU football. I don't think he is. But, RU gets what it pays for. Not only is he the lowest paid HC in the power 5, but perhaps more importantly, We've got penny-ante coordinators for O and D, and those are the guys game planning. Neither has real experience at this level and it shows. Last year, when Fridge was coaching the O, Flood looked like a much better coach.

I look at MSU and OSU, both of whom lost their talented million-dollar a year D and O coordinators from last year, and the MSU defense is nowhere near as good as last year and OSU's offense, despite returning virtually everyone, is nowhere near as good as they were last year. RU can and probably should fire Flood, but unless they ante up the budget for a real Big 10 coaching staff, from top to bottom, it will be the same ****, different day! I have zero confidence that this can or will be done until the real $ flows and even then, only if our new Prez gets it.

 

[biazza38]

I agree with increasing the budget. The thing is Flood doesn't have the connections to bring in a top coordinator. That's 1 of the reasons why our coordinator make what they make

 

[RUKeystone]

 

[bac2therac]

There is no defense of Flood. He is not qualified to be a head coach and n the Big 10

 

[rufeelinit]

No offense but there is no valid defense.

 

[RUchip]

Flood and "defense" should not be used together. Neither should "offense" to such a incompetent math teacher wannabe coach.

 

[j_rc_93]

IIRC the biggest reason to hire flood was to hold together Schiano's last recruiting class. In hind sight, it would have been better to lose the class and hire someone with a new vision instead of just a kinder - gentler schiano.

 

[RC1971]

What does pay have to do with competence? Also he will reportedly be paid 1 million this year. The University deserves a great deal of competence for that not insubstantial sum of money. We are not getting it now.

 

[RUschool]

I agree with increasing the budget. The thing is Flood doesn't have the connections to bring in a top coordinator. That's 1 of the reasons why our coordinator make what they make

I brought this up 2-3 years ago. Flood doesn't know anyone and doesn't have a network. Schiano and real coaches know other coaches so they are aware of the up and coming coordinators. There are so many phases that he unaware of.

 

[redking]

Fridge didn't want to stick around, which is kind of odd, but speaks volumes. With the way the season is going, it's almost like he knew what would happen.

 

[RU2055]

It's hard to argue that Flood is the solution for RU football. I don't think he is. But, RU gets what it pays for. Not only is he the lowest paid HC in the power 5, but perhaps more importantly, We've got penny-ante coordinators for O and D, and those are the guys game planning. Neither has real experience at this level and it shows. Last year, when Fridge was coaching the O, Flood looked like a much better coach.

I look at MSU and OSU, both of whom lost their talented million-dollar a year D and O coordinators from last year, and the MSU defense is nowhere near as good as last year and OSU's offense, despite returning virtually everyone, is nowhere near as good as they were last year. RU can and probably should fire Flood, but unless they ante up the budget for a real Big 10 coaching staff, from top to bottom, it will be the same ****, different day! I have zero confidence that this can or will be done until the real $ flows and even then, only if our new Prez gets it.

Based on competence, Flood is the most over paid coach in all of CFB.

 

[RU-ROCS]

I'll admit, I used the thread topic to get eyeballs. There's really no defense of Flood, My point is, the RU administration needs to wake up. Firing flood and proceeding with another low budget staff will have a really low chance of success. Notably, Schiano's offense typically sucked because he also had no budget for a real OC. His Ds were generally good, because he himself was a top quality D coordinator who called the shots on D. We need a real P5 staff from top to bottom, but that ain't happening anytime soon. So, for now, we'll have to hope that 3 guys learning on the job will somehow catch lightening in a bottle. Very long odds indeed!

 

[KnightFan]

Fridge didn't want to stick around, which is kind of odd, but speaks volumes. With the way the season is going, it's almost like he knew what would happen.

I still believe that Fridge had a much greater impact last year than any of us realize

We would be infinitely better off today if he stayed and Flood left

 

[T2Kplus10]

It's hard to argue that Flood is the solution for RU football. I don't think he is. But, RU gets what it pays for. Not only is he the lowest paid HC in the power 5, but perhaps more importantly, We've got penny-ante coordinators for O and D, and those are the guys game planning. Neither has real experience at this level and it shows. Last year, when Fridge was coaching the O, Flood looked like a much better coach.

I look at MSU and OSU, both of whom lost their talented million-dollar a year D and O coordinators from last year, and the MSU defense is nowhere near as good as last year and OSU's offense, despite returning virtually everyone, is nowhere near as good as they were last year. RU can and probably should fire Flood, but unless they ante up the budget for a real Big 10 coaching staff, from top to bottom, it will be the same ****, different day! I have zero confidence that this can or will be done until the real $ flows and even then, only if our new Prez gets it.

Flood is the lowest paid HC in the Power 5 because he is the worst HC in the Power 5. And as mentioned above, he is overpaid! Flood is a deer in the headlights.

 

[rucoe89]

Killed the program and his career when named, and stuck with, Laviano to try to go 1-0 every week. A good D1 QB should not be consistently short hopping passes.

 

[RUBand]

Fridge didn't want to stick around, which is kind of odd, but speaks volumes. With the way the season is going, it's almost like he knew what would happen.

Hmmm, to a degree, but he certainly didn't see Hamilton out for the season, Caroo getting in trouble, and then hurt, let alone the mess early in the year.

 

[AreYouNUTS]

There is NO defense of Flood, period, sorry.

- can't keep NJ kids home
- can't close top re recruits
- constantly gets destroyed on national TV
- can't beat ANY staff with a clu
- sounds like a bumbling idiot in press conferences
- don't get me started on the rest

....and we've been warning you guys for 2+ years!!! "Hidden gem" and "late bloomer"etc ********!!!

"Best staff in nation at evaluating talent" BS!!!

This roster is so devoid of talent it's scary.

 

[herdof3]

FLOOD has to go. And RU needs to pay for quality coaches. If only the 1st part happens we are in the same boat.

 

[S_Janowski]

The key to the OPs post is the last 2 sentences.

Go ahead and Fire Flood, he deserves it. But if there isn't a serious commitment to a new staff we'll be back at this again in 3-4 years.

 

[RURM85]

The key to the OPs post is the last 2 sentences.

Go ahead and Fire Flood, he deserves it. But if there isn't a serious commitment to a new staff we'll be back at this again in 3-4 years.

3-4 years? On this board? I give it 2 years at max. Some posters were calling for Flood's head on a platter after the 2012 season.

 

[RU2055]

The key to the OPs post is the last 2 sentences.

Go ahead and Fire Flood, he deserves it. But if there isn't a serious commitment to a new staff we'll be back at this again in 3-4 years.

So let's keep the guy who sucks because the guy who might replace him might suck too?

 

[lighty]

"kinder - gentler schiano."

He may have worked for Schiano but there are very few similarities that I see in how they run the program.

We've lost a powerful defense

We are no longer great on special teams

The fence around New Jersey is pretty much gone

Flood had the advantage of selling the Big Ten for several years and yet we seem far worse off now than when he started.

 

[S_Janowski]

So let's keep the guy who sucks because the guy who might replace him might suck too?

Um did you miss the part where I said he deserves to be fired?

Just giving a dose of reality that we'll be back at this again if RU fires him and hires a new staff in the cheap.

 

[RU2055]

3-4 years? On this board? I give it 2 years at max. Some posters were calling for Flood's head on a platter after the 2012 season.

And it turned out they were right.

Listen, this is the part that most of you don't get. NEVER during Schiano's tenure did I ever call for his head. Just like some folks, I am of the belief that you give your full support to the coach of Rutgers. I overlooked many of Schiano's short comings, because some how the good still outweighed the bad. Some of us calling for Flood's head are not negative people at all. I am not a pessimist. I don't easily overreact to the small stuff. But with Flood, I became negative because I saw the big picture. I knew that this was a man that was going to be a big problem for Rutgers for years to come. I could see the type of harm he would bring to our beloved University and knew then that he would destroy the foundation Schiano laid.

 

[RU2055]

Um did you miss the part where I said he deserves to be fired?

Just giving a dose of reality that we'll be back at this again if RU fires him and hires a new staff in the cheap.

Cheap doesn't mean incompetence. Plenty of competent coaches that don't get Urban Meyer money.

 

[lighty]

Um did you miss the part where I said he deserves to be fired?

Just giving a dose of reality that we'll be back at this again if RU fires him and hires a new staff in the cheap.

Doubt it. Chances are pretty good whoever is hired will either have head coaching experience or a better coaching resume than Flood had. That's why I don't understand the people who think we could do worse. RU promoted a guy that should not have been promoted. It will be difficult to find someone with less experience

 

[KeithK7624]

There is NO defense of Flood, period, sorry.

- can't keep NJ kids home
- can't close top re recruits
- constantly gets destroyed on national TV
- can't beat ANY staff with a clu
- sounds like a bumbling idiot in press conferences
- don't get me started on the rest

....and we've been warning you guys for 2+ years!!! "Hidden gem" and "late bloomer"etc ********!!!

"Best staff in nation at evaluating talent" BS!!!

This roster is so devoid of talent it's scary.

But we went 8-5 our first year in the B1G! ANDDD our bowl win was over a team that's now 8-1. That definitely trumps the lack of adjustments, poor game plans, and everything you mentioned!

 

[RURM85]

And it turned out they were right.

Listen, this is the part that most of you don't get. NEVER during Schiano's tenure did I ever call for his head. Just like some folks, I am of the belief that you give your full support to the coach of Rutgers. I overlooked many of Schiano's short comings, because some how the good still outweighed the bad. Some of us calling for Flood's head are not negative people at all. I am not a pessimist. I don't easily overreact to the small stuff. But with Flood, I became negative because I saw the big picture. I knew that this was a man that was going to be a big problem for Rutgers for years to come. I could see the type of harm he would bring to our beloved University and knew then that he would destroy the foundation Schiano laid.

And they'll be right again for the wrong reasons. Until the Administration supports football and is willing to invest in the product, we'll continue to get what is paid for. This fanbase will continue to have false hope for a short period of time, until such time the honeymoon is over, that the next coach will catch lightening in a bottle.

 

[S_Janowski]

Doubt it. Chances are pretty good whoever is hired will either have head coaching experience or a better coaching resume than Flood had. That's why I don't understand the people who think we could do worse. RU promoted a guy that should not have been promoted. It will be difficult to find someone with less experience

Of course it won't be that hard to hire someone with a better coaching resume than Flood when he NONE to begin with - The fact that he was ever hired in the first place shows the commitment that this university has had in the past.

Nobody is saying we could do worse. He deserves to be fired. But if Hermann cans him I really hope she's got some cash lined up for a good hire along with reputable staff to go along. My fear is that we will be right back at the drawing board in a couple years because we fired Flood and didn't learn from out mistakes of hiring on the cheap.

 

[Caliknight]

The administration is getting essentially what they want from Flood.

A cheap option that gets them one step closer to being revenue neutral.

 

[RUNVA]

He is a child playing in a man's game.

 

[LevaosLectures]

The administration is getting essentially what they want from Flood.

A cheap option that gets them one step closer to being revenue neutral.

That's not gonna work when the stands are empty.

Will we have 40,000 for maryland? Doubtful

 

[Scarlet_Scourge]

Flood is the most overpaid HC is all of CFB. Rutgers is just trowing away money for every day that is is allowed to be an employee.

The best way to get revenue neutral is to have a winning football program that and sell out their home games, sell a ton of merch and get more people to donate.

That is not what we have right now and we will never have that with flood pretending to be a football coach on the sidelines.

 

[krup]

I'll admit, I used the thread topic to get eyeballs. There's really no defense of Flood, My point is, the RU administration needs to wake up. Firing flood and proceeding with another low budget staff will have a really low chance of success. Notably, Schiano's offense typically sucked because he also had no budget for a real OC. His Ds were generally good, because he himself was a top quality D coordinator who called the shots on D. We need a real P5 staff from top to bottom, but that ain't happening anytime soon. So, for now, we'll have to hope that 3 guys learning on the job will somehow catch lightening in a bottle. Very long odds indeed!

A failing of Schiano at the time was that he didn't consider the coordinators as part of his compensation. We have seen coaches fight for what they will get to pay their assistants, and Schiano maximized his personal income instead. Making $2.3 million to coach a BE football team? He would have been better off making $2 million and letting some of that Nelligan money be used to attract better coordinators.

 

[KeithK7624]

That's not gonna work when the stands are empty.

Will we have 40,000 for maryland? Doubtful

Will we have 40k for Nebraska ?

 

[LevaosLectures]

Will we have 40k for Nebraska ?

Name recognition and traveling fans will help. I sat 44 or so.

 

[OTBOTOR]

I hope so. My sister is visiting from many states away and wants to go to the game. I worry the experience will be embarrassing.

 

[RU84]

Talent is the lifeblood of any program. Flood can't sell top recruits which is why the talent level has been eroding under his watch. You heard the announcers doing the game yesterday," besides Caroo Rutgers has no playmakers." Good coordinators can't make steak out of chopped meat. Bring in someone who can attract high caliber talent. Flood ain't getting it done.

 

[RUforlife]

The losses this year will be to quality power 5 teams, WSU, PSU, MSU, OSU, Wisconsin, Michigan, and perhaps Nebraska. In every case, except Nebraska, those teams have winning records and are having good years, WSU just beat ASU. Even Nebraska might get to .500. We have beaten the teams we were supposed to and lost to established power 5 programs. It is only our second year in the B1G and we have fans expecting us to compete against programs with a 50 year head start, unrealistic expectations that must be measured against the reality of the situation. It is a process and there will be growing pains, but we need to stay the course and believe in our coaches and players.

There you go, that is the best defense I can come up with, not sure if I buy it. However, I just can't see the administration firing a HC and spending the $s to hire a new one with that record. Lose to Army and it is a different story.

 

[RURM85]

Talent is the lifeblood of any program. Flood can't sell top recruits which is why the talent level has been eroding under his watch. You heard the announcers doing the game yesterday," besides Caroo Rutgers has no playmakers." Good coordinators can't make steak out of chopped meat. Bring in someone who can attract high caliber talent. Flood ain't getting it done.

At this time, the budget prohibits a hire that can attract high caliber talent