In KVs twitter, Torbush said something to the effect of

[chewgumm]

"We are notgoing to make wholesale cahnges and change our entire scheme"....something like that. This is troubling.

In the words of Marcellus Wallace "That's pride (17)ing with you."

I am now concerned that torbush will be a "The fans are blind and don't know what they are tlking about" type guy as we take another beating from Vandy.

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[chewgumm]

"We are notgoing to make wholesale cahnges and change our entire scheme"....something like that. This is troubling.

In the words of Marcellus Wallace "That's pride (17)ing with you."

I am now concerned that torbush will be a "The fans are blind and don't know what they are tlking about" type guy as we take another beating from Vandy.

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[RuffandTumble]

"We would have liked to have had some different personnel groupings on the field at certain times but because of the speed of the game we were not able to do that. I think we have to understand that if we've got a three man front on the field that's what we're in. That's where the game of football is and it is not like that is the only time we are going to see that.

 

[chewgumm]

We have to learn the hard way...again...I guess.

 

[TXDawg.sixpack]

I don't think Torbush is saying that we're going to stick with a 3-man front no matter what.

I think he's saying that because Auburn was running a no-huddle offense, it was tough for us to sub in different personnel groups. I think he's saying that we got stuck running the 3-5 in situations where we shouldn't have been running it.

Now, that doesn't excuse him for continuing to put it out there, but once it's there, it's hard to sub out of it when the offense is going no-huddle.

 

[SwampDawg]

"We have to do a better job of sending more guys after the quarterback. I felt we were conservative at times against Auburn with only a three man pass rush so we will have to do a better job of getting our guys in position to pressure the quarterback."

 

[chewgumm]

for future reference.

 

[therightway]

The idea that we cannot run 2 guys in and out before the next snap really does not make sense. The officials do have to spot the ball. If you are getting you *** run over like we were call a 17ing time out. Did we not stay in a 3 man front for most of the game? Surely we had time to substitute as the half.

 

[lawdawg02]

(1) if you're constantly getting beaten and you think part of it is because you're stuck in a certain formation on defense, CALL A DAMN TIMEOUT. you can't take them home with you - might as well use them if you need to. i'm all for conserving them for the end of the halves, but if one is needed to try something different when your defense is giving up huge chunks of yardage aGAIN and aGAIN, USE ONE.

(2) was auburn not subbing either? i understand that when facing a no-huddle offense, the defense cannot readily sub as it wants. BUT, if that's the case, auburn must not have been doing much subbing either, and that means that we kept lining up in the 3-3-5 to start the series and kept getting stuck in it, even though we knew (or should have realized at some point) that it was not working. also, it's not like auburn sprinted up to the ball and called a play. they were no huddle, but they would line up, act like they were going to snap it, then take at least 10 more seconds to look to the sideline for the play call. we should've been able to sub at least once during drives. get the players ready to go in, and on an incomplete pass or first down, have them sprint in. it's not THAT hard.

 

[imissplatinumplus]

is that is what GusMalzahn does and has done for years. He runs a hurry up offense to not allow the D to sub. I have to assume we watch tape and knew this. Not only did we not make adjustments, we were NOT PREPARED to take on that offense. You would hope that this would have been talked about in meetings the week before.

 

[Shmuley]

nm

 

[thunderclap]

this is what I was afraid of. If he didn't know how to slow the spread in the Big 12, then he can't slow it in the SEC.

 

[jackstefano]

funny ****.

 

[FlabLoser]

BDJ has an article with that quote. There's a context here that makes more sense. What Torch is saying is that with the ball on the far hash mark, Auburn running no-huddle, and snapping the ball fast - we were stuck with the formation we had personnel on the field for, a 3-3-5 in this case.

 

[chewgumm]

I don't remember rushing any more than 3. He is making excuses, which is fine, but here is hoping he corrects it for the next game, so we don't get embarrassed by Vandy.

 

[therightway]

I don't remember rushing any more than 3. He is making excuses, which is fine, but here is hoping he corrects it for the next game, so we don't get embarrassed by Vandy.

All I remember the whole game was a 3 man front.

 

[Todd4State]

in a 3-4, a 4-3, or a 3-3-5, I have no problem with that. I do have a problem with the lack of blitzing.

 

[Rabid]

(1) if you're constantly getting beaten and you think part of it is because you're stuck in a certain formation on defense, CALL A DAMN TIMEOUT. you can't take them home with you - might as well use them if you need to. i'm all for conserving them for the end of the halves, but if one is needed to try something different when your defense is giving up huge chunks of yardage aGAIN and aGAIN, USE ONE.

(2) was auburn not subbing either? i understand that when facing a no-huddle offense, the defense cannot readily sub as it wants. BUT, if that's the case, auburn must not have been doing much subbing either, and that means that we kept lining up in the 3-3-5 to start the series and kept getting stuck in it, even though we knew (or should have realized at some point) that it was not working. also, it's not like auburn sprinted up to the ball and called a play. they were no huddle, but they would line up, act like they were going to snap it, then take at least 10 more seconds to look to the sideline for the play call. we should've been able to sub at least once during drives. get the players ready to go in, and on an incomplete pass or first down, have them sprint in. it's not THAT hard.

But, it is far from the truth. All it takes to change a 3-3-5 to a 4-3-4 is to remove the nickle back and insert a down lineman. Swap Wade Bonner for Charles Burns. It's really simple. It doesn't matter if the team is on the far hash mark or not. It doesn't matter if they are running no-huddle or not. Have Charles Burns ready and send him in on at the end of the play. That can be done in ten seconds. Any high school coach in Mississippi can do that. The fact of the matter is Torbush is clueless and full of excuses. If simple matters like this are challenging to him, then we have real problems.

 

[wbc40]

but it didn't last for long.

 

[TheBigBadDawg]

And on both of those plays, Chris Todd made very errant throws. Whether or not we lined up with a 4 man front or just brought and LB on those plays, however, I don't remember.

 

[DowntownDawg]

....but the most troubling thing to me is that it's not like no huddle, up tempo offenses are something new. Why did we not anticipate this issue? Didn't Auburn do this last week? Isn't there film galore of Malzahn's offenses? How in the hell does that take you by surprise? That's simply unacceptable. No-huddles were sort of new in the late 90's. It seems like I remember Hal Mumme doing it and it was kind of new and different then.

In 2009, playing against a spread team with game film and a spread coach with more game film, there is no excuse not to be ready for the no-huddle and complain about being trapped in a 3 down lineman set. I honestly think that's a BS excuse and I'm not sure that Torbush knows what went wrong.

 

[thunderclap]

we didn't blitz, didn't rush the gaps, didn't disguise and fall back. Nothing. It was like a jr high defense where everybody lines up in the same spot each play and waits.

 

[msudawg12]

to have only sent 3 for as many plays as we did. Anything we can learn from the Joe Lee Dunn years when we were consistently tops in the nation is that pressuring the QB works.
Giving a QB all the extra time only helps him to exploit our weak secondary

 

[Rabid]

He doesn't know what went wrong. Even worse, he doesn't know how to fix it. That's the truth of the matter.

 

[therightway]

It is the end of the third and still in a 3 man front. If you are going to take out one of the lineman do not put in another safety unless it is a passing down. We needed a 4th LB with the 3 man front with at least one of them hitting gaps every down. That would cut down on the guards pulling to go block Wade Bonner. When we were sucessful running that kind of defense during the JLD era, we had safety's that played like linebackers and everybody know that we never rush only 3 other than the last drive of 97 Ole Miss game.

 

[LR1400]

And on both of those plays, Chris Todd made very errant throws. Whether or not we lined up with a 4 man front or just brought and LB on those plays, however, I don't remember.

I remember one of those. We hadn't really even talked him yet but he fell back sideways covering his body with his arm like a lil ***** and tossed the ball a mile from the receiver.

 

[fieldman]

But I'm pretty sure that even when in a no-huddle attack, if the offense subs players, they have to give the defense a chance to sub. So I guess Auburn was not subbing players very much.

Again, I'm not sure, but that was the impression I was under

 

[LR1400]

Brother Bill talking about defending the spread on jox.

Says to use multiple fronts!!!!!!!!!!!!

Disguise the front!!!!!!!!!!

When using the same look come from different sides so they do not know what to expect!!!!!!!!!!!11111

Said the way to defend the spread.......breakdown......breakdown what they do most of the time on the boundry side, wide side, what do they do most of the time in the middle of the field, what do they do with 2/3 of the field most often, etc. What do they do most of the time in certain situations...........

He talking about how La Tech defended better than us and alluded to how staying in that 2 deep zone was a gift. He said if AU could ask WV what to run on them it would be what MSU did.

Dan Mullen hire Brother Oliver as a consultant asap!!!!!!!!

 

[patdog]

The 3-3-5 formation was fine, but you need to blitz a LB on pretty much every play constantly changing up where the blitz is coming from. Just that one change alone would have made a world of difference Saturday.</p>