Incident with an autistic child and his father. I’m probably the idiot here.

LaJollaCreek

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I’ve been checking out this thread periodically but have been too busy holidaying to stop and post before now.

My young adult son is high-functioning with autism. My 8-year-old nephew also has autism — he’s clearly intelligent and very sweet of disposition, but he also endures bigger challenges from being on the spectrum than my son did growing up. My sister and brother-in-law work tirelessly with my nephew on coping strategies and helping him manage his behavior, yet he will still act out at times when anxieties or overstimulation get to him. I feel for their whole family, but I know that together they’re steering him toward the best possible outcomes given his condition. I’ve seen a lot of growth out of him and am very hopeful that he will eventually be able to lead rather close to what society typically deems as a “normal” life.

I am convinced that a key factor in his growth has been his parents’ practice of exposing him to as many experiences and social situations as they can reasonably do. There are certain events or environments that they may still hold back from taking him to — or perhaps take him for a shorter duration than they would his 6-year-old sister without autism. But over time his ability to function in a variety of scenarios has shown marked improvement… which is wonderful for him and his family. I believe it’s also good ultimately good for society as well, as this greatly increases his chances of eventually achieving self-sufficiency, or near to it. That’s highly preferable to his possibly becoming an adult who cannot interact with others at all while also being entirely dependent upon them. Getting him out and about when they can makes this positive progression possible.

Yes, there are times when he exhibits sudden behaviors that end up being disruptive to others. When it happens, it’s not because it he wasn’t being monitored. It happens because it’s part of the growing pains of his development. In such situations, his parents will apologize and explain to the person(s) affected, and immediately work with him on what he could be doing differently. And yes they will take him outside or go home if he is really struggling or getting into a meltdown. Over time, that is happening less often.

I would encouraging anyone reading this to keep this point in mind and summon up just a little more patience, empathy, and understanding for an autistic child who may be acting out and their family, who go through a lot every single day.

Bob, I thank you for igniting the conversation in this thread… I think there have been a lot of very thoughtful and insightful responses. FG Dreadnought’s post summed up pretty well what I was feeling and intending to reply to your question.



I also felt that a few responses belied a lot of ignorance and lack of decorum on the part of the respective posters. I can only hope that those posts were hasty internet bravado types of replies, and not indicative of what is truly in the hearts and minds of those individuals. If even one of them softens their stance on this topic a bit after reading this thread, this discussion will have been really worthwhile.

One last note… a few years ago, at the age of 50 (!!!) I had an epiphany. A few behaviors that I observed in my nephew (and had not seen in my son in his childhood) awakened long-dormant memories in me. I finally began to connect some dots around certain things that had never made sense but had always troubled me. I did some reading, basically self-diagnosed, and then went to a neuropsychologist for testing that confirmed that I, too, qualify as being mildly on the spectrum, though high functioning. (My ex-wife would perhaps debate that very last part, lol.)

That has unlocked a transformational time in my life, in which I have become armed with a new self-awareness that has made me far more resilient against difficulties with depression and anxiety that had troubled me since my teens, and enhanced my ability to function well in my career and my home life. I bring this up only so I can express my gratitude for the presence of my son and my nephew in my life, which ultimately enabled me to learn something fundamental about myself that I otherwise never would have suspected. I am also very pleased that we have a much better clinical understanding of autism these days than we did in my youth. All of this can only be further enhanced through open dialog such as we’ve had here in this thread… so, thank you all very much.

Happy New Year everyone, and Let’s Go State!!!
Thanks for sharing this. I have 2 cousins that have children who are a bit deeper on the spectrum. They have so many coping tools and never hid them or even felt the need to. They both wear noise canceling head phones in public sometimes and one has to carry an object in his hand. They still go out to eat, the movies, and have grown throughout the years. I look at them as parents in a whole different way as the patience they have is next level. It’s just an entirely different ballgame when it comes to parenting.

A simple google search tells you most of the time the screaming could be sensory overload for these children and it’s not horrific parenting. Like anyone else they have good and bad days so the father may have felt it was an ok environment in there, but it possibly became too much. Who knows? Hopefully your post sheds some light on this to some that really haven’t been exposed to this as much. Thanks again for sharing so in the end bob’s post was a good one.
 

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Thanks for sharing this. I have 2 cousins that have children who are a bit deeper on the spectrum. They have so many coping tools and never hid them or even felt the need to. They both wear noise canceling head phones in public sometimes and one has to carry an object in his hand. They still go out to eat, the movies, and have grown throughout the years. I look at them as parents in a whole different way as the patience they have is next level. It’s just an entirely different ballgame when it comes to parenting.

A simple google search tells you most of the time the screaming could be sensory overload for these children and it’s not horrific parenting. Like anyone else they have good and bad days so the father may have felt it was an ok environment in there, but it possibly became too much. Who knows? Hopefully your post sheds some light on this to some that really haven’t been exposed to this as much. Thanks again for sharing so in the end bob’s post was a good one.
Thanks… I’m always glad to share information and perspective on this topic.

My nephew also wears noise canceling headphones sometimes, they definitely help.
 

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I had another thought to share on this topic — not directed at Bob, but as food for thought in general for the group…

Suppose you’re minding your own business in a coffee shop, and a young kid who wears leg braces is passing by the table, stumbles, and spills your coffee.

What reaction would we feel would be appropriate in that case?

If one reacted sternly toward the kid, what would we expect as a reaction from the father? Absolutely, an apology for the spilled coffee should be involved… but would we be shocked if the dad also reacted defensively or even got irate?

Would anyone think that kid should not be brought into public because such accidents could happen?

Just playing devil’s advocate here and trying to put a different lens on the situation.

Bob — I don’t fault you at all for the instinctive reaction you had. And the father definitely should have been more apologetic in his tone, and shouldn’t have suggested that you leave. But I’m also not at all surprised that HIS instinctive reaction put him into defensive mode regarding his child.
 

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I had another thought to share on this topic — not directed at Bob, but as food for thought in general for the group…

Suppose you’re minding your own business in a coffee shop, and a young kid who wears leg braces is passing by the table, stumbles, and spills your coffee.

What reaction would we feel would be appropriate in that case?

If one reacted sternly toward the kid, what would we expect as a reaction from the father? Absolutely, an apology for the spilled coffee should be involved… but would we be shocked if the dad also reacted defensively or even got irate?

Would anyone think that kid should not be brought into public because such accidents could happen?

Just playing devil’s advocate here and trying to put a different lens on the situation.

Bob — I don’t fault you at all for the instinctive reaction you had. And the father definitely should have been more apologetic in his tone, and shouldn’t have suggested that you leave. But I’m also not at all surprised that HIS instinctive reaction put him into defensive mode regarding his child.
This is directed @BobPSU92 ...

Suppose you are sitting at a coffee shop enjoying your cup and a scone and some kid walks in and kicks you in the nuts. What would his reaction be in that case?

When the parent says there's nothing wrong with that kid, just knows when someone deserves to have their nuts kicked. And then the parent kicks Bob too.

Who would get the key to townhall? The kid, parent, both?!?

hope no one takes this even a bit seriously.
 
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This is directed @BobPSU92 ...

Suppose you are sitting at a coffee shop enjoying your cup and a scone and some kid walks in and kicks you in the nuts. What would his reaction be in that case?

When the parent says there's nothing wrong with that kid, just knows when someone deserves to have their nuts kicked. And then the parent kicks Bob too.

Who would get the key to townhall? The kid, parent, both?!?

hope no one takes this even a bit seriously.
I think we can all agree that Bob would deserve it and the father and son should be hypothetically praised for taking action.
 

BobPSU92

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This is directed @BobPSU92 ...

Suppose you are sitting at a coffee shop enjoying your cup and a scone and some kid walks in and kicks you in the nuts. What would his reaction be in that case?

When the parent says there's nothing wrong with that kid, just knows when someone deserves to have their nuts kicked. And then the parent kicks Bob too.

Who would get the key to townhall? The kid, parent, both?!?

hope no one takes this even a bit seriously.

The kid would have to be incredibly talented to hit me squarely in the nuts.

😞
 

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I always took a different approach with my son. Knowing he was liable to act out in public places, I stayed on top of him as much as possible. When he did act out, I explained he is autistic and apologized. Since you could not tell he was autistic by looking at him, I felt I owed people that.
 

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I always took a different approach with my son. Knowing he was liable to act out in public places, I stayed on top of him as much as possible. When he did act out, I explained he is autistic and apologized. Since you could not tell he was autistic by looking at him, I felt I owed people that.
Didn’t the dad explain that his son was autistic?
 

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Around 2.5% of the kids have autism, where are all these kids coming from and how do certain families have multiple kids with autism? Isn’t that statistically impossible? Kind of like the Hollywood actress that has three young sons and they’re all gay….not sure how these kinds of things are possible.
 

CVLion

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Around 2.5% of the kids have autism, where are all these kids coming from and how do certain families have multiple kids with autism? Isn’t that statistically impossible? Kind of like the Hollywood actress that has three young sons and they’re all gay….not sure how these kinds of things are possible.
Because there is a genetic predisposition for it. And, I believe we are finding that the occurrence in our population is higher than what you mentioned as we learn more about it.

Also, as someone on the spectrum I feel I can say this… with the availability of the internet and the prevalence of IT careers these days (the field I work in), individuals with autism who are naturally introverted and “nerdy” (also applicable to me, especially in my youth) and in previous generations would have been very socially isolated, now are much more likely to meet each other and have kids, who will be more likely to be on the spectrum themselves.