Insider interview regarding 2025 season

rigi19040

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The biggest criticism about Franklin remains that he just could not win any big games. After that OSU game there is very little to point to. He beat Michigan in '17 and '19, Wisky on the road in '21. Got by Iowa in Kinnick a couple times with a huge talent advantage I will add. Then his signature bowl wins versus UDub in the '17 Fiesta and Utah in the '23 Rose. All of that is just a weak record.

Curt Cignetti racked up more big wins in the last 6 weeks than Franklin got in 12 years. The guy was abysmal.

So in '25 for whatever reason he could not manage NIL while his weaknesses with developing a good offense and a elite QB were exposed even more. For some reason Allar never came close to what we thought he could be. Think about Mendoza vs Allar.
Mendoza made more plays in the clutch in that 4th quarter vs Miami than Allar made in his entire career. On one hand Allar throws a game losing pick vs ND and on the other hand Mendoza has a national championship winning run. One rises in winning time while the other wilts. That can be attributed to coaching. One player is mentally ready and tough and the other is not.

Throw in the obligatory big game choke/loss that was his signature and you have our dumpster fire in '25. What this article tells me that I never knew is he played favorites and did not want to give young guys playing time. Thankfully he gone and ain't never coming back.

8+ wins a year for Franklin vs 6.9 for campbell.

Franklin also didnt go 0-3 vs west Virginia.
 

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So you think Campbell is going to win an average of 7 games at Penn State? Have you bought your Va Tech season tickets yet?

Campbell will be closer to his own career average than he will be to cignetti.

Ps. if you thought it was bad coaching when we lost to Ohio state then what was it when Campbell lose to Ohio bobcats, Cincinnati, Memphis, northern Iowa and west Virginia? .
 
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royboy

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Campbell will be closer to his own career average than he will be to cignetti.

Ps. if you thought it was bad coaching when we lost to Ohio state then what was it when Campbell lose to Ohio bobcats, Cincinnati, Memphis, northern Iowa and west Virginia? .
What is your point?

Are you so blind that you think Franklin should have been retained?
Do you think Campbell is a poor choice?
 

PSU4U

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What is your point?

Are you so blind that you think Franklin should have been retained?
Do you think Campbell is a poor choice?
The guy hasn't even coached his first BW Game yet and some people think he's a failure. Are some people really PS fans or are they just that negative. Not calling anyone out here but some posts make you wonder especially when the posts are consistent. Not calling that poster out at all but you see these types of posts from others all over the board.
 

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The guy hasn't even coached his first BW Game yet and some people think he's a failure. Are some people really PS fans or are they just that negative. Not calling anyone out here but some posts make you wonder especially when the posts are consistent. Not calling that poster out at all but you see these types of posts from others all over the board.


It's a mixed bag. Yes, some really are that negative. Some are clearly Franklin fans first and are big mad that he was replaced. Others lack the ability to comprehend that Campbell's approach is going to be much different and less flashy. Some lack patience and can't wait till it all plays out. Others just want to be right no matter what and are incapable of changing their opinion. Once they went negative they feel the need to point out everything they perceive as inadequate to justify their position.
 
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I guess I’ll use my eyes then.

The criticism leveled at one OC after another after being coveted hires was impressive. I argued they didn’t come here and suddenly become stupid, that the HC had his grip on the OC and some playcalling. (And personnel sets that damaged likelihood of success).

“Belittled” was the word used in this article.

I guess it fits my narrative but it was on display for everyone to see.
First down against Oregon, wide receiver sweep. Second down, Allar lined up at WR. That was where I hit my new level of disgust with Franklin. It was surpassed against UCLA, but I was numb by that point.
 
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Campbell will be closer to his own career average than he will be to cignetti.

Ps. if you thought it was bad coaching when we lost to Ohio state then what was it when Campbell lose to Ohio bobcats, Cincinnati, Memphis, northern Iowa and west Virginia? .
Cignetti’s career winning percentage is .798. One win per season ahead of Campbell right now.
 
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The guy hasn't even coached his first BW Game yet and some people think he's a failure. Are some people really PS fans or are they just that negative. Not calling anyone out here but some posts make you wonder especially when the posts are consistent. Not calling that poster out at all but you see these types of posts from others all over the board.
For some reason....many supposedly Penn State Alumni have a form of Derangement Syndrome. Everyone from Joe Paterno and Graham Spanier to Matt Millen and Saquon Barkley receive total ridiculous comments. The only person to escape this character assassination is Sue.
 
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Cignetti’s career winning percentage is .798. One win per season ahead of Campbell right now.
You would have to be a moron to even go there.

Cignetti is 27-2 D1a. .93 winning percentage.
He is averaging about 6 more wins a season than campbell.
 

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Campbell will be closer to his own career average than he will be to cignetti.

Ps. if you thought it was bad coaching when we lost to Ohio state then what was it when Campbell lose to Ohio bobcats, Cincinnati, Memphis, northern Iowa and west Virginia? .
Again, go get your Va Tech tickets.
 
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Eventually you will realize campell is not Joe and then you will turn on him too.
I fully support Campbell and believe he will be successful. If he is not and doesn't win enough games then he will be fired. That is the nature of the business and Campbell understands this. You on the other hand are rooting hard that he is a failure from the get go. Freakish!

Enjoy those Va Tech games.
 

rigi19040

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I fully support Campbell and believe he will be successful. If he is not and doesn't win enough games then he will be fired. That is the nature of the business and Campbell understands this. You on the other hand are rooting hard that he is a failure from the get go. Freakish!

Enjoy those Va Tech games.
You support him.now. in a couple years you will realize he isnt Joe and turn on him. .
 

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The real vexing question is how will one evaluate the 2026 season.

It's been established here that wins only count if they are "big" games. Since we have none, there is no way to determine success or failure.
 

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The real vexing question is how will one evaluate the 2026 season.

It's been established here that wins only count if they are "big" games. Since we have none, there is no way to determine success or failure.
This was a complete rebuild but despite that there is a good deal of talent on the roster. 8 wins minimum standard and 10 wins is a successful season.
 

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I’m not the one that brought it up, you did. I responded, knowing you would move the goalposts. Well done!

You are the one who moved the goal post, added d2 games and still had to make up a fake stat because your point was dumb.

Cignetti averages an extra 2+ wins a season over Campbell not the one extra win as you stated. That is including cignettis d2 record and 1-5 vs slippery rock. If we stick to d1a then cignetti is averaging over 4 extra wins a season just in the regular season.
 
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You are the one who moved the goal post, added d2 games and still had to make up a fake stat because your point was dumb.

Cignetti averages an extra 2+ wins a season over Campbell not the one extra win as you stated. That is including cignettis d2 record and 1-5 vs slippery rock. If we stick to d1a then cignetti is averaging over 4 extra wins a season just in the regular season.
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Franklin did the one thing you can’t do at Penn State. He made himself bigger than the program (or tried).
I fully support Campbell and believe he will be successful. If he is not and doesn't win enough games then he will be fired. That is the nature of the business and Campbell understands this. You on the other hand are rooting hard that he is a failure from the get go. Freakish!

Enjoy those Va Tech games.
Unfortunately, this seems to be the view of a certain portion of the fan base. They are JF fans, not Penn State fans. I root for any PSU coaches success. However, no one is bigger than the program. If you can’t get the job done at the top level, then there are plenty of other jobs for you. Certain fan bases love the pinstripe bowl.
 

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All you Franklin haters lap this **** like it is gospel. Two players out of over 100 can't speak for the entire team. You could write this very article about every football program.......NIL isn't fair, better players aren't playing enough, coach is mean and has favorites, throw in some "coach swears at us" and you get this garbage article. Does Franklin deserve criticism. Yep. Did Franklin need to leave. Yep. Does bitching about him improve the team and the program moving forward. Nope. So much wasted energy on someone who was kicked to the curb. If he left on his own AND took players with him I could see the angst. I wonder who did that. Left and took all his players with him? Our newly anointed savior.

One last point. Michigan and Ohio State, the last 2 National Champions, created the blueprint that Penn State and Franklin followed. Keep senior players an extra year and have an experienced team to build on the previous year's success. Every fan was shocked and excited when the news kept coming that Allar, Singleton, Allen, Durant, Dennis-Sutton, Rucci, etc all were staying another year. But when it doesn't work the blame becomes blind loyalty and not playing younger players.

This past season sucked. Been a fan for 50 years and this year was one of the worst failures I've ever experienced. Everyone thought this team would dominate.

Franklin is the ex-boyfriend and fans want him to fail just like any ex-boyfriend. He's gone, isn't coming back, Kraft and Campbell are being fully supported.
I for one was neither shocked nor excited when I learned Allar was coming back. Nor did I think the team would dominate. So it wasn’t EVERY fan or EVERYONE. And I’m sure I wasn’t alone.
 
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Nitt1300

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It's irrational to attach much personal feeling (positive or negative) to a football coach. They are hired to do a job just like anybody else.

The days of a coach staying for 30-40 years and becoming a real part of an institution are as far gone as college football is.

Take a breath and drop the histrionics.
 

BobPSU92

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It's irrational to attach much personal feeling (positive or negative) to a football coach. They are hired to do a job just like anybody else.

The days of a coach staying for 30-40 years and becoming a real part of an institution are as far gone as college football is.

Take a breath and drop the histrionics.

Campbell will be at PSU forever.

😞
 

sr108

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Excellent piece. Confirms a lot of long term criticism of Franklin. Good riddance.
While I see understand your sentiment, this article is based on two people’s viewpoints. We don’t know their situation or bias, do we even know if they were players?
Just saying, have a little skepticism as you read it.
 

sr108

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Franklin did the one thing you can’t do at Penn State. He made himself bigger than the program (or tried).

Unfortunately, this seems to be the view of a certain portion of the fan base. They are JF fans, not Penn State fans. I root for any PSU coaches success. However, no one is bigger than the program. If you can’t get the job done at the top level, then there are plenty of other jobs for you. Certain fan bases love the pinstripe bowl.
“Franklin did the one thing you can’t do at Penn State. He made himself bigger than the program (or tried).”

What? You must have missed 1966 to 2011.
 
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sr108

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Denmark left but Koby Howard stayed. I will take that trade. Yeah, some players (and a good number of incoming recruits) followed Franklin to Blacksburg but that was more than offset by the Iowa State transfers and other recruits by Campbell in just a few weeks.

The future is bright
I was actually pleasantly surprised that there were not nearly as many players or coaches following Franklin to VT as I thought there would be. Probably more 26 recruits than actual team members.
 

royboy

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While I see understand your sentiment, this article is based on two people’s viewpoints. We don’t know their situation or bias, do we even know if they were players?
Just saying, have a little skepticism as you read it.
Well, whatever. I watched the games and have followed the team for over 50 years. The 2025 team significantly under-performed All was not well. The Head Coach bears responsibility.