Insider interview regarding 2025 season

blion72

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It's irrational to attach much personal feeling (positive or negative) to a football coach. They are hired to do a job just like anybody else.

The days of a coach staying for 30-40 years and becoming a real part of an institution are as far gone as college football is.

Take a breath and drop the histrionics.
I am in your camp. JF did some good things = good recruiter, maintained many of the traditional PSU values and seemed to hire good asst coaches. like Joe, he did not like to play too many guys early - just his style. Not so good on gameday decisions which often did not make sense. like many coaches had +/- attributes. I always thought he took risks that were not a winning strategy. fine line between aggressive and stupic.

re 25 season I was not sure we were sure thing for top 3 finish like the preseason rags had us. all this aside if Tony Rojas does not go down, I think JF is still the coach. No way we lose to UCLA and NW with Tony in the game - even though JF did not have team ready for these games. The things that went wrong in those games were defense and largely due to "0" being in a new spot he could not perform. You could argue there were young guys who could have played and done better, but that was not JF style. All said if Tony does not go down, we win UCLA, NW and Iowa., and go into OSU with 1 loss. We still lose to OSU, but Indy is 50/50, and win out after that. So either 10-2 in playoffs or 9-3 and miss CFP. If we were in CFP we might have won 1 game but never going to win whole thing. in either case JF would still have been coach and we would have had a bit of a rebuild for 2026 even maintaining most of the roster.

JF could win CFP, but not with the talent he would tend to have. he was not the type of coach who can get more with less. MC seems to be that kind of coach but may not be as good of recruiter of 4/5 star players. MC does appear to be a coach who makes good gameday decisions. We will see.

in the end - if Tony is not injured JF is still coach. JF could not survive the embarrassing losses to UCLA and NW.
 
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PSUForever

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I am in your camp. JF did some good things = good recruiter, maintained many of the traditional PSU values and seemed to hire good asst coaches. like Joe, he did not like to play too many guys early - just his style. Not so good on gameday decisions which often did not make sense. like many coaches had +/- attributes. I always thought he took risks that were not a winning strategy. fine line between aggressive and stupic.

re 25 season I was not sure we were sure thing for top 3 finish like the preseason rags had us. all this aside if Tony Rojas does not go down, I think JF is still the coach. No way we lose to UCLA and NW with Tony in the game - even though JF did not have team ready for these games. The things that went wrong in those games were defense and largely due to "0" being in a new spot he could not perform. You could argue there were young guys who could have played and done better, but that was not JF style. All said if Tony does not go down, we win UCLA, NW and Iowa., and go into OSU with 1 loss. We still lose to OSU, but Indy is 50/50, and win out after that. So either 10-2 in playoffs or 9-3 and miss CFP. If we were in CFP we might have won 1 game but never going to win whole thing. in either case JF would still have been coach and we would have had a bit of a rebuild for 2026 even maintaining most of the roster.

JF could win CFP, but not with the talent he would tend to have. he was not the type of coach who can get more with less. MC seems to be that kind of coach but may not be as good of recruiter of 4/5 star players. MC does appear to be a coach who makes good gameday decisions. We will see.

in the end - if Tony is not injured JF is still coach. JF could not survive the embarrassing losses to UCLA and NW.
Then that was a blessing in disguise for Rojas to go down. We absolutely did not want Franklin around who loses one player and promptly loses to the bottom feeders of the league. Just a joke he could not adjust to Rojas going down. Indiana, Ohio State, Miami, Ole Miss and Oregon would have all crushed us in the playoff. Alabama, Oklahoma, Texas A&M and Texas Tech would also have beaten us. So glad we got rid of BGJ.
 

CyphaPSU

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Assuming it is all true, it confirmed everything we all suspected. If true, I still do not understand young guys like Denmark following Franklin down there. VT will get a bump from Franklin but the same tendencies will become evident there as well.
A group of over 100 people are never going to all have the same exact thoughts towards a leader.
 
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WIP2001

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Indiana, Ohio State, Miami, Ole Miss and Oregon would have all crushed us in the playoff. Alabama, Oklahoma, Texas A&M and Texas Tech would also have beaten us. So glad we got rid of BGJ.
We actually played two of the final 4 that you’re convinced would’ve “crushed us”. But, yeah, continue with your fantasy that Franklin was an evil person and a terrible coach and the culture of the team was rotten to the core.
 
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Franklin was a bum.
Not sure if would classify cjf as a bum....but that is for another discussion.....however I feel he got his panties all twisted over a contract extension. With over half his existing contract remaining he decided he deserved more and
Pat Kraft said lest wait a bit longer and we will discuss it....which is what most prudent executes would say. He decided he was irreplaceable and went around Pat to Nelli...bad move....and she apparently said talk to Pat. Observing cjf on TV during the 3 game losing streak he was an absent head coach, simply standing with zero emotions painfully apparent cjf felt rejected. He quit on his team!
 
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I am in your camp. JF did some good things = good recruiter, maintained many of the traditional PSU values and seemed to hire good asst coaches. like Joe, he did not like to play too many guys early - just his style. Not so good on gameday decisions which often did not make sense. like many coaches had +/- attributes. I always thought he took risks that were not a winning strategy. fine line between aggressive and stupic.

re 25 season I was not sure we were sure thing for top 3 finish like the preseason rags had us. all this aside if Tony Rojas does not go down, I think JF is still the coach. No way we lose to UCLA and NW with Tony in the game - even though JF did not have team ready for these games. The things that went wrong in those games were defense and largely due to "0" being in a new spot he could not perform. You could argue there were young guys who could have played and done better, but that was not JF style. All said if Tony does not go down, we win UCLA, NW and Iowa., and go into OSU with 1 loss. We still lose to OSU, but Indy is 50/50, and win out after that. So either 10-2 in playoffs or 9-3 and miss CFP. If we were in CFP we might have won 1 game but never going to win whole thing. in either case JF would still have been coach and we would have had a bit of a rebuild for 2026 even maintaining most of the roster.

JF could win CFP, but not with the talent he would tend to have. he was not the type of coach who can get more with less. MC seems to be that kind of coach but may not be as good of recruiter of 4/5 star players. MC does appear to be a coach who makes good gameday decisions. We will see.

in the end - if Tony is not injured JF is still coach. JF could not survive the embarrassing losses to UCLA and NW.
I am a tad confused......like many others you state bgj was a good recruiter....but later you say he would not win with the talent he had. Cjf was an adequate recruiter.....his typical class averaged 14th....not terrible but not CFP caliber.
The worst part is he didn't always play his best players...a trait i have never witnessed before.
 

bbrown

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I am a tad confused......like many others you state bgj was a good recruiter....but later you say he would not win with the talent he had. Cjf was an adequate recruiter.....his typical class averaged 14th....not terrible but not CFP caliber.
The worst part is he didn't always play his best players...a trait i have never witnessed before.
Far Cry Laughing GIF
 

Pa$ky859

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“Franklin did the one thing you can’t do at Penn State. He made himself bigger than the program (or tried).”

What? You must have missed 1966 to 2011.
My point exactly. You can’t come here if you are afraid of living in Joe Pa’s shadow. You will never be bigger than than him or the Penn State Program he built
 

Pa$ky859

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Joe built a college football program- college football no longer exists, nor do the things that Joe valued about it.

It's long past time to stop kidding ourselves.
Ok, we can agree on the premise.

We still call it college football as opposed to High School or NFL. It’s an old habit. Perhaps I should have just said it this way - I wasn’t a fan of JF, as I didn’t believe in his ability to win the big game. Nor did I like his in game strategy or decision making. He had some good times here and we gave him generational wealth in return. Pretty fair and no need for the fan base to feel “sorry” for him or like he got a raw deal. Someone said he’s the ex and we are wanting him to fail. I’m not sure he’s not wanting Penn State to fail just the same?
 
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PSUForever

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Joe built a college football program- college football no longer exists, nor do the things that Joe valued about it.

It's long past time to stop kidding ourselves.
Yeah if the rules today applied in '85 and '86 I doubt we had John Schaefer as the starting QB.
 

Nitt1300

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Ok, we can agree on the premise.

We still call it college football as opposed to High School or NFL. It’s an old habit. Perhaps I should have just said it this way - I wasn’t a fan of JF, as I didn’t believe in his ability to win the big game. Nor did I like his in game strategy or decision making. He had some good times here and we gave him generational wealth in return. Pretty fair and no need for the fan base to feel “sorry” for him or like he got a raw deal. Someone said he’s the ex and we are wanting him to fail. I’m not sure he’s not wanting Penn State to fail just the same?
Franklin is gone; I'm spending the same energy on him as I do on O'Brien- none.
 

PSUForever

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We actually played two of the final 4 that you’re convinced would’ve “crushed us”. But, yeah, continue with your fantasy that Franklin was an evil person and a terrible coach and the culture of the team was rotten to the core.
The culture was rotten to the core this past season. BGJ was or is not a terrible coach but he is not an elite or great coach by any means. Va Tech or some other middling program that will never sniff a natty is where he belongs.
 

DaytonRickster

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The real vexing question is how will one evaluate the 2026 season.

It's been established here that wins only count if they are "big" games. Since we have none, there is no way to determine success or failure.
So you think SoCal & Michigan (both ranked ahead of PSU) are not big games?
 

Nitt1300

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Both are pre-season ranked ahead of PSU. What then is a "big game" in your estimation? I believe if you are playing a team ranked ahead of you, it's a big game.
To me a "big game" is playing a serious contender- and I don't see one on our schedule.
 

Bison13

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To me a "big game" is playing a serious contender- and I don't see one on our schedule.
With the playoffs, having 12 teams, probably soon to be more, and the fact that we just had a 10 seed who didn’t even win their conference get to the championship game, I would say anybody in the top 15 would be a big game because that puts them in the playoff
 

PSUForever

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With the playoffs, having 12 teams, probably soon to be more, and the fact that we just had a 10 seed who didn’t even win their conference get to the championship game, I would say anybody in the top 15 would be a big game because that puts them in the playoff
Michigan, USC and UDub are all big games unless for some reason they are having bad seasons. But if they are a top 20-25 team when we play them then I would say a big game. If after we play them they then go into the tank and end up with a mediocre 7-5 or even 8-4 record then it is questionable (see USC win 2024). The other factor to consider is our talent level vs theirs. If equal or they have better talent then that contributes to it being a big game but is secondary to their ranking when we play them and their final record.
 
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