Inspired from chat: You make the call. Was this ejection deserved?

[drt7891]

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</span></div><div><span>First off, apologies to missouridawg... I thought he gave a clear wave for fair catch, but I'm not quite sure if he did.?</span></div><div><span>
</span></div><div><span>Some things about the hit. First off, it was early. In the NFL, this falls under the "defenseless receiver" category (I'm sure it does in college, too). The hit was clearly before the ball got to the returner. I'm sure in the college level this is the same, but the rule states you have to allow the returner the opportunity to make the catch. After he has ample opportunity (usually once the ball touches the returners hands), then you can lay the wood, but this was clearly early. Also, Wade lead into the returner with the crown of his helmet, clearly another reason to flag him.?</span></div><div><span>
</span></div><div><span>I think the ejection came when he showed zero remorse for the hit. He started jumping up and down, it doesn't show in this video, but he was jawing and talking (what defenders do after they make a big hit). I think the ejection was deserved. It was flagrant, careless, violent, and the Vandy player was clearly shaken up (minor concussion). Anything flagrant and careless like that warrants ejection.?</span></div><div><span>
</span></div><div><span>What are your thoughts?</span></div>

 

[drt7891]

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</span></div><div><span>First off, apologies to missouridawg... I thought he gave a clear wave for fair catch, but I'm not quite sure if he did.?</span></div><div><span>
</span></div><div><span>Some things about the hit. First off, it was early. In the NFL, this falls under the "defenseless receiver" category (I'm sure it does in college, too). The hit was clearly before the ball got to the returner. I'm sure in the college level this is the same, but the rule states you have to allow the returner the opportunity to make the catch. After he has ample opportunity (usually once the ball touches the returners hands), then you can lay the wood, but this was clearly early. Also, Wade lead into the returner with the crown of his helmet, clearly another reason to flag him.?</span></div><div><span>
</span></div><div><span>I think the ejection came when he showed zero remorse for the hit. He started jumping up and down, it doesn't show in this video, but he was jawing and talking (what defenders do after they make a big hit). I think the ejection was deserved. It was flagrant, careless, violent, and the Vandy player was clearly shaken up (minor concussion). Anything flagrant and careless like that warrants ejection.?</span></div><div><span>
</span></div><div><span>What are your thoughts?</span></div>

 

[seshomoru]

There are many, many violent collisions in the game of football made within the course of play. The difference in those and this one is that this one was made with intent to injure. He aimed at the head and knew the guy didn't see him because he was looking up for the football. Whether or not he called a fair catch is totally irrelevant. A head up shot into the chest? Maybe you can say that was just horrible timing. This was malicious and I think a suspension(handed downby his head coach) from the next game would even be warranted, especially given his behavior after the fact.

 

[aTotal360]

Theviscoushit doesn't bother me. But the fact he KNEWhe committed a penalty and then gloated about it, gives me the red ***. Toss'em. <div>I can look pass the occasional landshart or endzone dance, but bragging after a major rule infraction is where I go from "whatev" to "17 you".</div>

 

[MSDawg34]

to Derek Pegues in the Tulane game played at Shreveport. The next time we punted Derek leveled the Tulane returner when the ball was still a good 30 yards in the air.

Let the players handle it.

 

[seshomoru]

to Derek Pegues in the Tulane game played at Shreveport. The next time we punted Derek leveled the Tulane returner when the ball was still a good 30 yards in the air.

Let the players handle it.

 

[PBRME]

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[drt7891]

He carelessly threw himself into the guys chest while he was looking up for the football and you want to just "let the players handle it?" That's a terrible idea. It's bad enough coaches are always screaming "just let the players play ball" and letting fouls and penalties slide, but you want to let something like this go, or even worse, let someone get revenge by doing the same **** to the next guy? Are you crazy?

 

[Incognegro]

nfm

 

[57stratdawg]

he isn't being ejected for the hit, he's being ejected for the celebration. That seems rather ify to me. He doesn't know where the ball is either, or rather or not that Vandy player is hurt.

I think if that game is played in Little Rock, he isn't ejected. That doesn't seem right to me.

 

[drt7891]

Wade beat the returner to the ball because the ball bounced off Wade's back. Maybe it was a little close, but it was a clear penalty. I think had he saw the penalty flags and walked off instead of celebrating and jawing, I think nothing would have been said and it would have just been a 15 yard personal foul. But if you commit a major penalty on someone who is afforded protection, see the penalty flags, then continue to celebrate while they are still on the ground, that warrants ejection.

It's like committing a blatant roughing the passer or kicker, seeing them lay on the ground with penalty flags around them, then jump up and down celebrating as if you just made the greatest tackle known to man... this is the same thing.

 

[o_1984Dawg]

... like, in the reciever's hands? And I guarantee he knew the hit was hard enough to knock the guy out. He knew what he was celebrating. A vicious, illegal hit on a defenseless player. But even if he hadn't celebrated, I'd say throw him out and suspend him for the next game too. No telling what kind of damage that hit may have done to the guy years down the road.

 

[Hump4Hoops]

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[57stratdawg]

on a WR coming over the middle a step before the ball gets there - does he get kicked out too? What about a crackback block on a guy who's watching a returner and gets blindsided?

 

[BehrDawg]

If I were his coach, I would suspend him indefinitely. This was a poor show of character and that kind of **** behavior has no room in football. Has this kid even apologized for the hit? Has Patrino even acknowledged this after the game? If not, it shows a lack of character on his behalf.....errr, wait, I forgot about his treatment of the Falcons.

 

[missouridawg]

We had a good chat about this last night and here's kind of what I was thinking.

1) Did he signal fair catch? If so, then eject the guy. No questions asked
2) Did he do a lot of taunting after the no-brainer halo-infraction penalty? If so, then eject the guy.

But if he got ejected for laying a big hit, then I don't understand it. If the ball lands in the returners arms just as the gunner got there.... should he be ejected for a big hit? No. So why eject him for being about 1 second off on his timing.

It all really depends on why he got ejected.

 

[drt7891]

The biggest problem is a punt returner is protected under the rules much the same way as a kicker or a quarterback. As is a receiver. And if a defender lays a hit on a receiver a full step before the ball gets to him with the crown of his helmet, then gets up and celebrates, then I much imagine he'd get the same kind of treatment. I'm not against big hits, I'm against flagrantly dangerous hits on vulnerable receivers, then jumping up and celebrating and acting like you just made some kind of monster play. I don't think the hit itself got him ejected.

I'm not sure what you mean by "crackback block..." a crackback block is a block a receiver lined up in a scrimmage formation make when they come back toward the ball to make a block. Imagine a sweep to the right side and the slot receiver is lined up outside the strong side linebacker. The sweep, coming to that side of the field, would draw the linebacker to run out wide to make the play, but the slot receiver "cracks back" to the ball to make the block. That is a crackback block. It happens at every level of play (and are legal), but is only called a "crackback block" in the NFL because I think there are specific rules associated with those types of blocks (that term is not in the high school or college rule book).

 

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[bulldogbaja]

I'm not a big fan of the SEC doing this. I think thisshould be handled by Arkansas.

 

[GloryDawg]

bd

 

[ckDOG]

Not only for the safety of the person being tackled, but for the defender as well. Knock the piss out of someone, I don't care. Just do it with your body and not with the crown of your helmet. Leading with your crown is essentially turning a protective device into a weapon.

 

[MeridianDog]

Not only was the flag they threw and thenthrowing him out (he cheered, and then taunted the fans as he left the field) deserved, IMO he shoudl be thrown off the team for some period, if not the rest of the season.

He was watching teh kick coming and had no idea he was about to be hit. The guy knew that too. I saw him wave his arm and when he started doing that, any hit was a flag. Jumping up and down and taunting the stands as he left teh field was as cheap as it gets.

 

[kired]

he cheered, and then taunted the fans as he left the field

I couldn't believe what I was seeing. Itoldmy brotherwhile we were watching it thatif an MSU player acted like him, Mullen or maybe Hevesy would have torn him a new one. He'd be lucky to see the field for a few weeks.

That guy would probably fit in well with our basketball team.

 

[HighLifeRebel]

and then suspended for the celebration.<div>
</div><div>Every time a player returns a punt there a long sinking feeling of taking your eyes off the field and hoping that you aren't about to get your **** kicked in. The halo rule was invented for this, and the current rule, allowing them to catch it, provides the same sort of protection. Beyond the ****** hit, that guy is going to have problems catching punts from here on out.</div><div>
</div><div>I can't remember the player, but that same thing happened to some OM guy in 2000 or 2001, and he fumbled the next 2-3 punts that he sat back to receive. Beyond that one hit, Arky's player could have screwed up a good punt returner. @%%@ him.</div>