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East St Louis almost if not completely black and one of the poorest in the state often beats the living hell out of more prosperous majority white schools.What a stupid article.So tired of the poor pitiful me.Are they going to do the same when poor schools most of which are black beat the hell out of a prosperous majority white school in basketball? Or when the poor mexican schools in soccer trounce the rich majority white schools?
 

MC63

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East St Louis almost if not completely black and one of the poorest in the state often beats the living hell out of more prosperous majority white schools.What a stupid article.So tired of the poor pitiful me.Are they going to do the same when poor schools most of which are black beat the hell out of a prosperous majority white school in basketball? Or when the poor mexican schools in soccer trounce the rich majority white schools?

ESL is an anomaly.

Your basketball and soccer references are irrelevant,

You shouldn't toss "stupid" around, lest you get bit in the butt.
 

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Typical NY Times garbage. Why people think this is an honest paper is beyond me. Yeah sure, if you don't win by the rules...then it's time to change the rules. Who says they get to decide what a "level playing field" is? I am so sick of so many dishonest news sources in this country.
 

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Typical NY Times garbage. Why people think this is an honest paper is beyond me. Yeah sure, if you don't win by the rules...then it's time to change the rules. Who says they get to decide what a "level playing field" is? I am so sick of so many dishonest news sources in this country.

Are you actually using the "fake news" argument? How ridiculous. The NY Times makes an occasional mistake, but that's it.

Ask the president of the Ukraine.
 
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All about "leveling the playing field" and the haves vs have nots. Curious on the boards thoughts. https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/22/us/school-football-poverty.html#click=https://t.co/14GxA8DKqw

They are using Iowa as an example... I’m an Iowa native and the “inner city” Des Moines schools (not west des Moines valley or dowling Catholic) have always been uncompetitive just like the majority of inner city CPS schools. There are a lot of reasons for this beyond money. If ESL is an outlier than so is Simeon and Phillips I guess? What about the rich suburban towns that suck at football... what is their excuse??? There is so much that goes into this beyond money.
 
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Are you actually using the "fake news" argument? How ridiculous. The NY Times makes an occasional mistake, but that's it.

Ask the president of the Ukraine.
Who said "fake news?" Oh yeah, you did in your perpetual attempt to make all arguments political. If you re-read what I said I didn't call one side out or the other...like you always do. You are a broken record. Keep listening to your record player.

The NY Times was actually, years ago, a pretty good newspaper. But now, like many news sources, they are run not by journalists, but activists and hacks. They publish nothing more than propaganda daily. They are retracting stories all the time. To say they make an "occasional mistake" is either borne out of your ignorance or blindness.

The NY Times has gotten more stories wrong this year than the Detroit Tigers have in losses. You really need to get a grip on reality.
 

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Nah. Is there data
They are using Iowa as an example... I’m an Iowa native and the “inner city” Des Moines schools (not west des Moines valley or dowling Catholic) have always been uncompetitive just like the majority of inner city CPS schools. There are a lot of reasons for this beyond money. If ESL is an outlier than so is Simeon and Phillips I guess? What about the rich suburban towns that suck at football... what is their excuse??? There is so much that goes into this beyond money.
Basically what I was going to say. It's too simplistic a view. I don't even know how they'd measure for something like this. What about a district that has money where a lot of the student population doesn't?

@ramblinman proposed something like this before
 
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Nah. Is there data

Basically what I was going to say. It's too simplistic a view. I don't even know how they'd measure for something like this. What about a district that has money where a lot of the student population doesn't?

@ramblinman proposed something like this before

Phillips versus New Trier... who wins?

Simeon versus Glenbrook North (or south)... who wins?

There goes the money theory...
 
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What about a district that has money where a lot of the student population doesn't?

@ramblinman proposed something like this before[/QUOTE]

That would be OPRF... most years the players on the field are not representative of the wealth of the district.
 
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Lockport certainly isn't a poor district by any means. What has their record been for the past several years?
 
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Nah. Is there data

Basically what I was going to say. It's too simplistic a view. I don't even know how they'd measure for something like this. What about a district that has money where a lot of the student population doesn't?

@ramblinman proposed something like this before

I did, but it was done in a tongue in cheek kind of way to point out that there is a long list of scapegoat reasons (open boundaries, demographics, depressed tax base, etc) that schools fabricate to explain not winning their "fair share" or for other schools winning more than their "fair share." The movement behind this NYT article only serves to further that point. The multiplier and success factors can very easily become a slippery slope to legislate other field leveling devices. Once you start leveling it, it becomes difficult to stop.
 

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Who said "fake news?" Oh yeah, you did in your perpetual attempt to make all arguments political. If you re-read what I said I didn't call one side out or the other...like you always do. You are a broken record. Keep listening to your record player.

The NY Times was actually, years ago, a pretty good newspaper. But now, like many news sources, they are run not by journalists, but activists and hacks. They publish nothing more than propaganda daily. They are retracting stories all the time. To say they make an "occasional mistake" is either borne out of your ignorance or blindness.

The NY Times has gotten more stories wrong this year than the Detroit Tigers have in losses. You really need to get a grip on reality.

Record player? I switched to an 8 track over the summer.
 
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