Interesting comment from Justin Fields

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On Ohio State: “I don't really have any in-class classes. Most of my classes are online just because of time and I can probably spend more time on football and just studying like that. I haven't really been around campus that much.”

Is this the norm now? I guess at Ohio State you really don't go there to play school.


source: elevenwarriors.com
 

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That's the norm, unless you're a science major. Almost all of my education classes were online. Almost all of my science classes were in person.
 

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Is this the norm now? I guess at Ohio State you really don't go there to play school.

Been like that for a long time at Ohio State. Remember Andy Katzenmoyer?? To make sure he remained academically eligible Ohio State gave him golf and AID’s awareness classes.
Many other athletes at tOSU received the same kind of thing.
 

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That's the norm, unless you're a science major. Almost all of my education classes were online. Almost all of my science classes were in person.
This must be why college tuition rates hardly ever increase. Winking
 

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Crazy how "higher" education has evolved. Not sure it has been beneficial to see everything shift to online activity. Feels like we're breeding a bunch of keyboard experts with limited interactive application of the skills learned.
 
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Certainly makes it easier to ******** your way through some things
Especially since he doesn’t even need to be the one that logs in and does the work... someone just needs his log in information and away he goes... I’m not saying that’s what he does or that it wouldn’t happen here either, just saying that maybe there should be some more regulation to that to ensure the are indeed student athletes, because if they are not going to do the classes then why not start paying them an amateur salary and stop fighting with all the in between crap that the NCAA fights about
 
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Others have said it BUT with all these online classes it really begs the question about why the tuition rates are so high. Where is that money going? IMO, there needs to be a major deep dive into where all the money goes and how it is being spent. I think that would probably be an eye opener.
 

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That's the norm, unless you're a science major. Almost all of my education classes were online. Almost all of my science classes were in person.
Science classes require labs for the most part and are considered hard. That has aided science profs in beating back the online encroachment into our area.
 

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Others have said it BUT with all these online classes it really begs the question about why the tuition rates are so high. Where is that money going? IMO, there needs to be a major deep dive into where all the money goes and how it is being spent. I think that would probably be an eye opener.


Oh man...if there are any professors on the site the **** is about to hit the fan!!!
 

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Lots of the content and participation was online by the time I left NU in the 2000s even for classes that were still in the traditional lecture model.
 

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Others have said it BUT with all these online classes it really begs the question about why the tuition rates are so high. Where is that money going? IMO, there needs to be a major deep dive into where all the money goes and how it is being spent. I think that would probably be an eye opener.
RESEARCH, RESEARCH, RESEARCH....Do you really think for profit corporations pay for their own research? Hell no! They work in tandem with public universities to come up with the technology of tomorrow using grants and the taxpayer. Then when the new product is ready it is snatched up and sold for 100% profit. Some new research goes towards things for the military or public services like roads. For example UNL was creating helmets that protected soldiers during IED explosions. I was surprised by the number of for profit guys that come down and work at UNL and then take the findings to make millions. The U.S still has by far the best lineup of research institutions and still has top notch masters and doctorate programs. The bachelor's degree is a scam I guess but only if the one receiving it is a dork. Many of us are but hopefully figure it out in time to turn that bribe into something actually useful. A lot of great stuff goes on at universities but like most things you have to sift through the crap to get there.
 
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RESEARCH, RESEARCH, RESEARCH....Do you really think for profit corporations pay for their own research? Hell no! They work in tandem with public universities to come up with the technology of tomorrow using grants and the taxpayer. Then when the new product is ready it is snatched up and sold for 100% profit. Some new research goes towards things for the military or public services like roads. For example UNL was creating helmets that protected soldiers during IED explosions. I was surprised by the number of for profit guys that come down and work at UNL and then take the findings to make millions. The U.S still has by far the best lineup of research institutions and still has top notch masters and doctorate programs. The bachelor's degree is a scam I guess but only if the one receiving it is a dork. Many of us are but hopefully figure it out in time to turn that bribe into something actually useful. A lot of great stuff goes on at universities but like most things you have to sift through the crap to get there.
Well, I await the detailed study of where that tuition money goes. If the tuition goes for anything other than the true education of the students themselves then that's effectively a tax on college education. I want to see full transparency.
 

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I teach science at a community college.... Face2face, online, hybrid, virtual, self paced, and independent study I have facilitated all of them. It takes just as much time and effort to run a solid online course as it does to run a quality face to face offering.

I also have a kid in college, another almost there.... Tuition inflation is stupid ridiculous, but online classes are not the cause and not where the cuts should be made, in my very biased opinion.

GBR!
 

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I teach science at a community college.... Face2face, online, hybrid, virtual, self paced, and independent study I have facilitated all of them. It takes just as much time and effort to run a solid online course as it does to run a quality face to face offering.

I also have a kid in college, another almost there.... Tuition inflation is stupid ridiculous, but online classes are not the cause and not where the cuts should be made, in my very biased opinion.

GBR!

And someone got paid to develop these on-line or hybrid classes. Then the tech people have to do their thing, platforms such as Blackboard, server space, etc. It goes on and on.

I have proctored multiple on-line student tests. Some require a person to be in the room, video it the entire time, have a clock behind them, enough to eliminate someone taking the test for them. Not saying it doesn't happen.
 
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I teach science at a community college.... Face2face, online, hybrid, virtual, self paced, and independent study I have facilitated all of them. It takes just as much time and effort to run a solid online course as it does to run a quality face to face offering.

I also have a kid in college, another almost there.... Tuition inflation is stupid ridiculous, but online classes are not the cause and not where the cuts should be made, in my very biased opinion.

GBR!
Online classes should reduce the costs. Less need for classroom space and maintenance of that space for starters.
 

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The rise in tuition prices isn't that difficult to understand. As a society, going to college is now almost seen as a minimum requirement for a "good" job. You combine that with the fact that the government has taken over the student loan market, essentially subsidizing it and allowing students to take out loans for outrageous amounts they very well may never be able to repay, and you have a recipe for schools to raise tuition and other "costs" to get every dollar they can to build improvements, reinvest in programs and growth, etc..
 

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Others have said it BUT with all these online classes it really begs the question about why the tuition rates are so high. Where is that money going? IMO, there needs to be a major deep dive into where all the money goes and how it is being spent. I think that would probably be an eye opener.

It's a myth that online education is cheaper than brick-and-mortar education. It requires a vast and sophisticated IT infrastructure that must be constantly maintained and updated by an ever-expanding army of tech support staff. Older buildings must be significantly renovated to accommodate this new infrastructure. Anyone who thinks online teaching should save the cost of building extra structures should visit a nearby university and notice how much construction is being done. Partly for reasons of appearance and recruiting and partly for the need to accommodate the needs of contemporary technology, universities need to add new buildings and renovate old ones constantly.

Teaching an online class takes more time and preparation on the part of the instructor than a traditional class. Just as electronic records have made the physician's job more demanding and reduced their time with patients, electronic records have made most jobs in higher education more time consuming and take away from the time we can spend with students.

Online education works best in programs for adults who are already working in their fields of interest and who need more education to advance their careers: business, criminal justice, nursing, public administration, social work, computer science, etc. It is not a fitting model to replace everything a young adult needs to experience as part of a college education: interacting with people from all over the country and the world, exploring various career paths to find what's best for them, and learning how to get along with people who have very different backgrounds and outlooks. Plus, online education requires a level of self-discipline and self-direction that are often still in the development stage for traditional college students.

Online classes that are part of a major are probably decent. Probably quite good if part of a graduate or professional degree. The department takes pride in those. In general education courses, the level of shoddy teaching and damn near fraud can be shocking. It is not unusual for teachers to barely interact with students and then essentially bribe the students into silence by giving them good grades. That should definitely be investigated and blown to pieces.

If Justin Fields is getting a decent education with so many online classes, he is the exception, not the rule. I used to work in online education but do not anymore, for obvious reasons. Fancy IT cannot replace the value of a 45-minute conversation with a student who needs to talk through their major interests, career interests, their sense of calling, life experiences, triumphs and setbacks, and how they are growing and changing because of what they learn inside and outside the classroom. Face-to-face interaction with students is one of the joys of my life, and I learned through hard experience that online formats cannot duplicate that experience.
 

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Crazy how "higher" education has evolved. Not sure it has been beneficial to see everything shift to online activity. Feels like we're breeding a bunch of keyboard experts with limited interactive application of the skills learned.

Put my lectures online so the students could watch them then we'd spend time in class on discussions (called flipping the classroom). I know they watched them as I could track that, but what else they did during that time I have no clue. I can tell you they scored 20 pct points lower on a very similar exam than the previous 4 years. After the first exam, I went back to in class lectures. There is an overwhelming amount of evidence suggesting that if educational efficacy is the goal, online education is not going to help meet that goal.
 

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It's a myth that online education is cheaper than brick-and-mortar education. It requires a vast and sophisticated IT infrastructure that must be constantly maintained and updated by an ever-expanding army of tech support staff. Older buildings must be significantly renovated to accommodate this new infrastructure. Anyone who thinks online teaching should save the cost of building extra structures should visit a nearby university and notice how much construction is being done. Partly for reasons of appearance and recruiting and partly for the need to accommodate the needs of contemporary technology, universities need to add new buildings and renovate old ones constantly.

Teaching an online class takes more time and preparation on the part of the instructor than a traditional class. Just as electronic records have made the physician's job more demanding and reduced their time with patients, electronic records have made most jobs in higher education more time consuming and take away from the time we can spend with students.

Online education works best in programs for adults who are already working in their fields of interest and who need more education to advance their careers: business, criminal justice, nursing, public administration, social work, computer science, etc. It is not a fitting model to replace everything a young adult needs to experience as part of a college education: interacting with people from all over the country and the world, exploring various career paths to find what's best for them, and learning how to get along with people who have very different backgrounds and outlooks. Plus, online education requires a level of self-discipline and self-direction that are often still in the development stage for traditional college students.

Online classes that are part of a major are probably decent. Probably quite good if part of a graduate or professional degree. The department takes pride in those. In general education courses, the level of shoddy teaching and damn near fraud can be shocking. It is not unusual for teachers to barely interact with students and then essentially bribe the students into silence by giving them good grades. That should definitely be investigated and blown to pieces.

If Justin Fields is getting a decent education with so many online classes, he is the exception, not the rule. I used to work in online education but do not anymore, for obvious reasons. Fancy IT cannot replace the value of a 45-minute conversation with a student who needs to talk through their major interests, career interests, their sense of calling, life experiences, triumphs and setbacks, and how they are growing and changing because of what they learn inside and outside the classroom. Face-to-face interaction with students is one of the joys of my life, and I learned through hard experience that online formats cannot duplicate that experience.
In the category of 'Serious, Thorough, and Well Thought Out Posts'.... You have been nominated for Post of the Month!
 

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On Ohio State: “I don't really have any in-class classes. Most of my classes are online just because of time and I can probably spend more time on football and just studying like that. I haven't really been around campus that much.”

Is this the norm now? I guess at Ohio State you really don't go there to play school.


source: elevenwarriors.com

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Crazy how "higher" education has evolved. Not sure it has been beneficial to see everything shift to online activity. Feels like we're breeding a bunch of keyboard experts with limited interactive application of the skills learned.

Universities are turning into community colleges. The only reason a university is better is the breadth of knowledge of it's professors. I'll buy some online degrees.
 
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The only professor I know on here retired because he was tired of all the ********. He prefers to milk and kill goats.
I suspect you are talking about me. I also milk and kill sheep.... lol

But yeah, the mania for online education is part of the ******** as to why I quit the professor thingy after 23 years. I kept harping to the administration that cheating in online classes was rampant. But they didn’t care. Online stuff is profitable.

What drives up the cost of university education is threefold:
1. Faculty and staff medical benefits. Insurance premiums just keep going up.
2. New facilities. Colleges are now competing for fewer and fewer students. There is a facilities was just as in football.
3. Top heavy with overpaid administrators.
 
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Put my lectures online so the students could watch them then we'd spend time in class on discussions (called flipping the classroom). I know they watched them as I could track that, but what else they did during that time I have no clue. I can tell you they scored 20 pct points lower on a very similar exam than the previous 4 years. After the first exam, I went back to in class lectures. There is an overwhelming amount of evidence suggesting that if educational efficacy is the goal, online education is not going to help meet that goal.
Bingo. Also tons of evidence that taking notes by hand, the old fashioned way, is far more effective than typing notes into a laptop. The computer craze in the classroom is stupid. It just creates an electronic fog that is a distraction. Not to mention how many times I caught students surfing their gadgets for porn in class.

My last two years teaching I banned all electronics from my class. Test scores went through the roof. Students actually thanked me for liberating them from those devices. The result? My last year two students complained to the Provost. She ordered me to allow computers. I told her no and said, I quote, “stuff it”. Tenure is a wonderful thing.
 

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On Ohio State: “I don't really have any in-class classes. Most of my classes are online just because of time and I can probably spend more time on football and just studying like that. I haven't really been around campus that much.”

Is this the norm now? I guess at Ohio State you really don't go there to play school.


source: elevenwarriors.com
I hope you don't believe that there aren't players at Nebraska doing the same thing.....

If you do, then I have some tornado-proof land in the Oklahoma Panhandle I'd like to sell you.
 

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On Ohio State: “I don't really have any in-class classes. Most of my classes are online just because of time and I can probably spend more time on football and just studying like that. I haven't really been around campus that much.”

Is this the norm now? I guess at Ohio State you really don't go there to play school.


source: elevenwarriors.com

Not really a new thing:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/gameon/2013/02/18/johnny-manziel-texas-am-online-classes/1929057/
 

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On-line classes are very common with some courses. Over the course of the year Fields will have to take classes on campus, but if during the football season he can load his schedule with on-line curriculum, that's a smart thing to do.

As far as the Katzenmoyer reference above, he wasn't academically ineligible but was closer than he would have liked going into his second year. So over the Summertime he took as the electives he entitled to take, Golf and AIDS Awareness. Those were low credit elective classes that didn't replace core curriculum. Giving him a cushion going into the season was again smart. What would you rather see, grade fixing?

Please don't tell me that these things don't occur at Nebraska. It's a fine school with great academics, but we're not talking about the NU that sits off of Lake Michigan.
 

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Others have said it BUT with all these online classes it really begs the question about why the tuition rates are so high. Where is that money going? IMO, there needs to be a major deep dive into where all the money goes and how it is being spent. I think that would probably be an eye opener.
Most public universities receive only a small fraction of their revenue via tax dollars, especially compared to 20, 30 and 40 years ago or longer.
For example, the University of Colorado Boulder now receives less than 5 percent (FIVE!) of its revenue from tax dollars. Even in the Midwest, where support is robust, most universities receive less than 20 percent of their revenues from taxes.
Yes, there are some overpaid administrators, and even a few overpaid professors, but the biggest reason for the rise in tuition at public universities is the precipitous drop in public support.
 
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It's a myth that online education is cheaper than brick-and-mortar education. It requires a vast and sophisticated IT infrastructure that must be constantly maintained and updated by an ever-expanding army of tech support staff. Older buildings must be significantly renovated to accommodate this new infrastructure. Anyone who thinks online teaching should save the cost of building extra structures should visit a nearby university and notice how much construction is being done. Partly for reasons of appearance and recruiting and partly for the need to accommodate the needs of contemporary technology, universities need to add new buildings and renovate old ones constantly.

Teaching an online class takes more time and preparation on the part of the instructor than a traditional class. Just as electronic records have made the physician's job more demanding and reduced their time with patients, electronic records have made most jobs in higher education more time consuming and take away from the time we can spend with students.

Online education works best in programs for adults who are already working in their fields of interest and who need more education to advance their careers: business, criminal justice, nursing, public administration, social work, computer science, etc. It is not a fitting model to replace everything a young adult needs to experience as part of a college education: interacting with people from all over the country and the world, exploring various career paths to find what's best for them, and learning how to get along with people who have very different backgrounds and outlooks. Plus, online education requires a level of self-discipline and self-direction that are often still in the development stage for traditional college students.

Online classes that are part of a major are probably decent. Probably quite good if part of a graduate or professional degree. The department takes pride in those. In general education courses, the level of shoddy teaching and damn near fraud can be shocking. It is not unusual for teachers to barely interact with students and then essentially bribe the students into silence by giving them good grades. That should definitely be investigated and blown to pieces.

If Justin Fields is getting a decent education with so many online classes, he is the exception, not the rule. I used to work in online education but do not anymore, for obvious reasons. Fancy IT cannot replace the value of a 45-minute conversation with a student who needs to talk through their major interests, career interests, their sense of calling, life experiences, triumphs and setbacks, and how they are growing and changing because of what they learn inside and outside the classroom. Face-to-face interaction with students is one of the joys of my life, and I learned through hard experience that online formats cannot duplicate that experience.
Sorry I don't buy one bit of those arguments. Digitizing things has proven to be a huge efficiency in the business world (I know first hand) unless you're doing it completely wrong. Excuses to the contrary are just that IMO, academic rationalization for inefficiency. Tuition rates these days are outrageous.

From Google, "The average annual increase in college tuition from 1980-2014 grew by nearly 260% compared to the nearly 120% increase in all consumer items". Interesting (and sad) that the increase in tuition has so outpaced general inflation.

You're entitled to your opinion and I'm entitled to mine. If you think tuition rates are just fine, then that's your opinion, certainly not mine.
 
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Sorry I don't buy one bit of those arguments. Digitizing things has proven to be a huge efficiency in the business world (I know first hand) unless you're doing it completely wrong. Excuses to the contrary are just that IMO, academic rationalization for inefficiency. Tuition rates these days are outrageous.

You're entitled to your opinion and I'm entitled to mine. If you think tuition rates are just fine, that's your opinion.
This. Online education is much cheaper than traditional education. It is a proven fact. There might be some increased initial costs, but if the course is designed well up front (and these days they usually are) they damn near run themselves after that with very little supervision needed. Tests are timed, date stamped and online, lectures are filmed and uploaded, extra instructional videos uploaded, extra links to articles and related webpages uploaded, bibliography uploaded, chat board enabled with preset discussion questions uploaded, and so on.
 

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It’s the norm and I can’t blame him. There’s so much demand from coaches, fans, boosters and message board experts that athletics are a bigger priority than academics.
 

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Shoot...you can get an adjunct professor to teach 6 classes and toss him/her 2,500 dollars per class...meanwhile each one of those online classes has 25 students (150 total) paying 1,300 per class.

The math works really well in favor of the school.
 

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Others have said it BUT with all these online classes it really begs the question about why the tuition rates are so high. Where is that money going? IMO, there needs to be a major deep dive into where all the money goes and how it is being spent. I think that would probably be an eye opener.

Much like any other public institution the costs increase to keep paying for worthless administration positions. Here is a perfect example of it at the University of Michigan.

The University of Michigan employs nearly 100 full-time diversity-related administrative staffers, costing almost $8.4 million a year, according to a recent analysis. Over a quarter of the staff (26) collect annual salaries of over $100,000.
 

ridge222

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Most public universities receive only a small fraction of their revenue via tax dollars, especially compared to 20, 30 and 40 years ago or longer.
For example, the University of Colorado Boulder now receives less than 5 percent (FIVE!) of its revenue from tax dollars. Even in the Midwest, where support is robust, most universities receive less than 20 percent of their revenues from taxes.
Yes, there are some overpaid administrators, and even a few overpaid professors, but the biggest reason for the rise in tuition at public universities is the precipitous drop in public support.

Maybe the drop in public support comes from the fact that a fair amount of public school systems are run so piss poor.