has owned two tickets on front row near home plate since the stadium was built. He says he is done until Cohen is gone. He gave one reason....said he is tired of the filthy language.He said it is absolutely pathetic and can be easily heard at field level. He says he isnt alone in his feelings....that many others arethe same way. He reminded me he has been in construction all his life and has heard all kinds of language but his view is that kind of language on the baseball field is totally unnecessary. From a supporter like him it is a little bit concerning to me. Anyone who has played athletics knows there is foul language present but apparently this is over the top. Is it really that bad? He added he didnt care if we start winning...he will not be back. It certainly his right not to attend but I just could not believe it was him who was saying he was totally finished.I do know he has given away his remaining tix. From what he says, Coach Mullen cant hold his own with Coach Cohen in a cussing contest.
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has owned two tickets on front row near home plate since the stadium was built. He says he is done until Cohen is gone. He gave one reason....said he is tired of the filthy language.He said it is absolutely pathetic and can be easily heard at field level. He says he isnt alone in his feelings....that many others arethe same way. He reminded me he has been in construction all his life and has heard all kinds of language but his view is that kind of language on the baseball field is totally unnecessary. From a supporter like him it is a little bit concerning to me. Anyone who has played athletics knows there is foul language present but apparently this is over the top. Is it really that bad? He added he didnt care if we start winning...he will not be back. It certainly his right not to attend but I just could not believe it was him who was saying he was totally finished.I do know he has given away his remaining tix. From what he says, Coach Mullen cant hold his own with Coach Cohen in a cussing contest.
has owned two tickets on front row near home plate since the stadium was built. He says he is done until Cohen is gone. He gave one reason....said he is tired of the filthy language.He said it is absolutely pathetic and can be easily heard at field level. He says he isnt alone in his feelings....that many others arethe same way. He reminded me he has been in construction all his life and has heard all kinds of language but his view is that kind of language on the baseball field is totally unnecessary. From a supporter like him it is a little bit concerning to me. Anyone who has played athletics knows there is foul language present but apparently this is over the top. Is it really that bad? He added he didnt care if we start winning...he will not be back. It certainly his right not to attend but I just could not believe it was him who was saying he was totally finished.I do know he has given away his remaining tix. From what he says, Coach Mullen cant hold his own with Coach Cohen in a cussing contest.
I really wish he had opened fire on that damn Polk after his temper tantrum. The well was poisoned aGAINST Cohen before he even got here with a sizeable contingent of our fans. I swear, I can't think of a coach who has to deal with more fans upset about cussing. Seriously? Cussing?
that our fan base is so stupid?
people love to come on here and tell their personal stories of how a coach insulted them with their language and will not support the team until that foul mouthed heathen is outta here.
its no wonder that we have sucked as long as we have. we care more about cussing than we do winning. does anyone really think the fan base as florida cared that spurrier cussed his players?
people love to come on here and tell their personal stories of how a coach insulted them with their language and will not support the team until that foul mouthed heathen is outta here.
its no wonder that we have sucked as long as we have. we care more about cussing than we do winning. does anyone really think the fan base as florida cared that spurrier cussed his players?
**** like the cussing complaints, I question why I bother with being a MSU fan. Tell the ***** to grow a pair or stay home. This isn't church. This isn't a 8 student per grade private baptist academy. This is major college athletics at a public university. Contrary to some folks opinion not everyone sitting next to them at Dudy Noble is born again and easily offended.
Have you been near the field on a SEC football game? How do you think a post about Bertman's language would have gone over? The corndogs would have gutted the candyass poster.
Cohen will win. Next year will be a good bit better and the following year will be Top 10. If not, fire him on his performance not his language
Have you been near the field on a SEC football game? How do you think a post about Bertman's language would have gone over? The corndogs would have gutted the candyass poster.
Cohen will win. Next year will be a good bit better and the following year will be Top 10. If not, fire him on his performance not his language
I second this. I'm not happy with our performance on the field, but I'm not complaining that Cohen's cussing is the reason. Really? Seriously?MSUCosmo said:
someone else from buying them or will he stick his convictions and moral high ground and give up those seats?!?!?
By the way, anyone who owns chairbacks and buys season tickets is a loyal baseball bulldog. Especially those that have been doing it from the beginning all the way through the losing years with Polk.
By the way, anyone who owns chairbacks and buys season tickets is a loyal baseball bulldog. Especially those that have been doing it from the beginning all the way through the losing years with Polk.
and if very many in his position get to feeling like he does do not be surprised to see someone in Cohen's spot before a lot of people are ready. By the way, he is keeping the tix and giving them away to folks who want to go.As for my personal opinion, the bad language is everywhere....main thing I didn't like about Cohen was last year when he was blasting players publicly in the paper. I think that situation was corrected. People have to show patience with what he is dealing with from a personnel standpoint and that takes time to correct.
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Never had the desire. But I will purchase two premium baseball season tickets from any MSU fan dumping them because of cussing. Unbelievable.
and then theyhave kids. I don't have a problem with people swearing at a game, but I do draw the line at real obscenity. (If you want to know the difference between the two, attend a home FSU football game).</p>
it would be better off for everyone (MSU fans) if this guy just quit supporting MSU. That is just outright ridiculous and he is a major reason why MSU sports are a joke. If you look at successful programs, they have a great deal of support. I can guran-damn-tee you that if an LSU or Texas fan did something like this they would be laughed at and someone would step in and buy their tickets from them and not miss a beat. If I knew this guy I would tell him that what he is doing is no different than outright pulling for Ole Miss. That would probably kill him.
so people can sit in them. He just is choosing not to go himself. Personally, I cuss like a sailor but if he's not ok with that, as long as he's still buying tickets and someone is sitting in those seats, I see no issue.
Good riddance. I want the MSU people like that gone. Maybe Cohen cussing is the way to do it. (Sarcasm on the last sentence.)
What happens in the dugout, stays in the dugout, and it's no one else's business in the stands as to what goes on in there. Does this guy ever wonder why Cohen cusses? Because I would imagine it's after a player does something royally stupid. Or does he really believe that Cohen just cusses the players out just for the hell of it? Or maybe that Cohen actually wants to win and cares about whether the team looks like a bunch of assclowns or not?
My next question is why is looking at what goes on in the dugout and not the game? Thirdly, who the hell does he think he is trying to tell someone else how to act especially when he admits that he has cussed before himself?
I would venture to guess that 99% of the baseball coaches in the world cuss. We probably had the 1% in Starkville for 30 years.
And as far as the kids BS- how many of those old farts have small kids? Maybe just maybe Cohen's cussing would be less if Polk had put a better product on the field and more people would show up. Better play and more people would = less cussing. So, by supporting Polk, he has in a sense brought about the cussing himself.
So, again- good riddance.
What happens in the dugout, stays in the dugout, and it's no one else's business in the stands as to what goes on in there. Does this guy ever wonder why Cohen cusses? Because I would imagine it's after a player does something royally stupid. Or does he really believe that Cohen just cusses the players out just for the hell of it? Or maybe that Cohen actually wants to win and cares about whether the team looks like a bunch of assclowns or not?
My next question is why is looking at what goes on in the dugout and not the game? Thirdly, who the hell does he think he is trying to tell someone else how to act especially when he admits that he has cussed before himself?
I would venture to guess that 99% of the baseball coaches in the world cuss. We probably had the 1% in Starkville for 30 years.
And as far as the kids BS- how many of those old farts have small kids? Maybe just maybe Cohen's cussing would be less if Polk had put a better product on the field and more people would show up. Better play and more people would = less cussing. So, by supporting Polk, he has in a sense brought about the cussing himself.
So, again- good riddance.
Hey guys. Pretty strong opinions on this subject, no doubt. I know y'all have heard this line of reasoning before, but allow me, in very respectful terms, to explain to you why this gentleman (if indeed this story is true)has a point.
First, my "point of reference". I am in my late thirties; I have three children, including two boys, under the age of six. I am a husband of some thirteen years. I grew up in the church of Christ and attend faithfully,trying desperately every day to live my life in a manner that is not only considered Biblically acceptable, but also acceptable to those around me. By that, I mean that I want people to WANT to be around me; I try to be considerate of everyone's feelings, deserved or not, and constantly "turn the other cheek",as I'm sure many of you on here do. My entire family has attended State at some point, starting with my father, who graduated in 1964, the first in his family to do so. I spent seven years there myself obtaining my Doctorate, and can't imagine spending any minute of my education anywhere else. I LOVE Mississippi State. Not ONE WORD of this makes me any better than any one of you on this board; don't misinterpret.
I love baseball. It is probably the only sport I ever played that I was any good at. My 5 year old son loves baseball apparently as much as I do, and already knows that the Bulldogs are our team, and the Rebels are PawPaw's team. We are glad only for PawPaw when the Rebels win (another lesson in itself). My son loves to watch in person.
Can any one of you tell me how any father can expose his five year old son (who repeats everything he hears, like they ALL do) to the type of language y'all are talking about here and justify it simply on the basis of it just "being part of the game"? If I were to win front row seats to a game at Dudy Noble and have that kind of language spewed out constantly at a volume that was clearly discernable to my son and then hear it out of his mouth a week later, how can I possibly discipline him with a straight face?
Keep in mind that I have never met John Cohen, and I have never so much as heard one foul word out of his mouth. Keep in mind that I also played football under Scott Samsel. I KNOW that kind of language is unavoidable if you play sports. It should NOT, however, be at a volume and frequency that it is easily heard by children in the stands at a game with their family. Wanna chew some player a new one? Fine. Do it in the dugout or fieldhouse.
I'm not out to change anyone's opinion about the language they use or even the language the coaches use. I AM asking that you not brand all of us the things that you are. If the guy wants to not attend until Cohen's gone, that's his right. I don't see the need in making a statement of it on a message board, but then again, maybe doing that will result in some changes. Not likely, but who knows? The indifference about such seemingly "trivial" things are why they get labeled as trivial in the first place.
Again, I'm not chunkin' Bibles at anybody. Just know that some of us simply don't see the need to expose our children to that kind of stuff if it can be avoided. I avoid it myself as an adult; I'm sure not going to bring my young child around it and then spank him for saying it at home.
Just my thoughts; I know we're all passionate about our Dawgs. Just don't label someone as such a pansy if you don't know their reasoning. Hope you can appreciate my viewpoint.
First, my "point of reference". I am in my late thirties; I have three children, including two boys, under the age of six. I am a husband of some thirteen years. I grew up in the church of Christ and attend faithfully,trying desperately every day to live my life in a manner that is not only considered Biblically acceptable, but also acceptable to those around me. By that, I mean that I want people to WANT to be around me; I try to be considerate of everyone's feelings, deserved or not, and constantly "turn the other cheek",as I'm sure many of you on here do. My entire family has attended State at some point, starting with my father, who graduated in 1964, the first in his family to do so. I spent seven years there myself obtaining my Doctorate, and can't imagine spending any minute of my education anywhere else. I LOVE Mississippi State. Not ONE WORD of this makes me any better than any one of you on this board; don't misinterpret.
I love baseball. It is probably the only sport I ever played that I was any good at. My 5 year old son loves baseball apparently as much as I do, and already knows that the Bulldogs are our team, and the Rebels are PawPaw's team. We are glad only for PawPaw when the Rebels win (another lesson in itself). My son loves to watch in person.
Can any one of you tell me how any father can expose his five year old son (who repeats everything he hears, like they ALL do) to the type of language y'all are talking about here and justify it simply on the basis of it just "being part of the game"? If I were to win front row seats to a game at Dudy Noble and have that kind of language spewed out constantly at a volume that was clearly discernable to my son and then hear it out of his mouth a week later, how can I possibly discipline him with a straight face?
Keep in mind that I have never met John Cohen, and I have never so much as heard one foul word out of his mouth. Keep in mind that I also played football under Scott Samsel. I KNOW that kind of language is unavoidable if you play sports. It should NOT, however, be at a volume and frequency that it is easily heard by children in the stands at a game with their family. Wanna chew some player a new one? Fine. Do it in the dugout or fieldhouse.
I'm not out to change anyone's opinion about the language they use or even the language the coaches use. I AM asking that you not brand all of us the things that you are. If the guy wants to not attend until Cohen's gone, that's his right. I don't see the need in making a statement of it on a message board, but then again, maybe doing that will result in some changes. Not likely, but who knows? The indifference about such seemingly "trivial" things are why they get labeled as trivial in the first place.
Again, I'm not chunkin' Bibles at anybody. Just know that some of us simply don't see the need to expose our children to that kind of stuff if it can be avoided. I avoid it myself as an adult; I'm sure not going to bring my young child around it and then spank him for saying it at home.
Just my thoughts; I know we're all passionate about our Dawgs. Just don't label someone as such a pansy if you don't know their reasoning. Hope you can appreciate my viewpoint.
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as opposed to running and hiding in an attempt to shelter them from some of the not so niceties of the world. That would be a more positive way of teaching them how you think they should speak versus waiting to spank them after the fact.
that you can't discipline your child because he hears John Cohen cussing? Really?
If your son sees someone robbing a store, I guess you can't discipline him either if he decides to rob a store.
If your son sees someone robbing a store, I guess you can't discipline him either if he decides to rob a store.
Hippy-I don't really think it is running and hiding; we'll still go to games and we'll still hear cussing. You can't, as you say, completely shelter them from the not so niceties of the world, but you don't have to purposefully expose them tothe most extreme examples.
Todd-of course I'm not saying that. I'm saying that if I am intentionally putting him in a position to be overexposed to it and then get mad at him if he does it, I'm at best a hypocrite and a worst a bad father. I can't control everything my son sees, but I can absolutely control what he is exposed to BY ME. That make sense?
You took the words out of my mouth. I could care less if he is done, and I don't give a **** how much money he gives.MSUCosmo said:
Todd-didn't realize you had posted this almost simultaneously with my post. You make some great points. The "out with the old" argument has some absolute merit. Like Mullen said, wehave to change the attitude of this University if we want to progress. I also agree that what he doesIN the dugout is btw him and the players....so long as it isn't just outright vulgar screaming. And no doubt; betterplay=less cussing. You and I aren't so far apart, friend....I just disagreeabout the language part.Todd4State said:
commend you on a very well-written post and I understand your point of view.
My response to it would be that when I'm in that situation (I have a 1 year old), I will simply explain to my son that the coach is using words that grown-ups use sometimes and only grown-ups. They are bad words and not for him to say. If I catch him repeating them, then we will go to the backroom and talk with Mr. Belt.
That would not make me a hippocrite. I would simply be explaining to him that there are rules for adults, and there are rules for kids. And he had better follow them.
**On a side note, coaches are only on the field to coach 1st and 3rd, or to argue with the umpire. How in the hell are people hearing so much cussing? Can they actually hear whats going on in the dugout? If they are hearing whats going on in the dugout, then thats just too bad. Our coach has the right to say whatever in the hell he wants in the dugout.
My response to it would be that when I'm in that situation (I have a 1 year old), I will simply explain to my son that the coach is using words that grown-ups use sometimes and only grown-ups. They are bad words and not for him to say. If I catch him repeating them, then we will go to the backroom and talk with Mr. Belt.
That would not make me a hippocrite. I would simply be explaining to him that there are rules for adults, and there are rules for kids. And he had better follow them.
**On a side note, coaches are only on the field to coach 1st and 3rd, or to argue with the umpire. How in the hell are people hearing so much cussing? Can they actually hear whats going on in the dugout? If they are hearing whats going on in the dugout, then thats just too bad. Our coach has the right to say whatever in the hell he wants in the dugout.
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you're not intentionally putting your son in a position to be overexposed. You have no idea what is going to be said at a ballgame- by people in the dugout, and actually more likely by the people in the stands. You may know that there is a high probability of that happening, but you're not intentionally doing it.
If you have such a fear of of your child being overexposed to cussing by the coach, there are a ton of other seats that are far away from the dugout as well. No one is forcing you to sit by the dugout. And if you just go up on gameday it's highly unlikely that your random seat is going to be by the dugout.
With coaches, you have to let them be themselves. If you don't, they will not coach effectively. It's called meddling.
My issue with this whole thing is this- it seems to me that a lot of people want some semblance of control now that their guy is not there and they didn't get their way. And it seems like this is their way of trying to get it. Really, when you get to the root of it, that's what this is really about- it's not about cussing or not- heck, the guy who is making the accusation admits to cussing himself. Their only chance to get back what they want is to tear down the guy that is trying to win and actually cares about winning in hopes that he is run off before he turns it around.
And I'll tell you the thing that upsets me about it is this- I did not want Polk back, but you know what? I still supported him. Why? Because he was MSU's coach, whether I liked it or not. And I can tell you, that I personally did not like watching what we were on the field because I saw a bunch of pansies that didn't really care about winning much of the time or cared about playing the game the right way. And as a baseball fan and baseball person, that bothers me. Our defense and fundamentals have been down for years. We had an incompetent pitching coach that these people supported and know we are just know getting some guys that have some ability that are all freshmen, and we're having to endure an almost all freshman pitching staff because of those losers. And then they say that the only guys hitting are Polk's guys- who ironically our second best hitter is Luke Adkins, a guy that the previous staff initially didn't want and got from USM, but they fail to mention that their best offensive years were under the guy that cusses. We didn't even attempt to run the bases or bunt under the previous regime. And yet, I gave Polk full credit for winning the SEC Tournament in 05 and going to Omaha in 07, as he should have been. I wonder if these clowns are going to give Cohen his due when he does something good. I highly doubt it- I think it will be "Well, we're in Omaha, but I would rather have been classy than win this way".
So, you'll have to forgive me when I want these people to shove off and fall off of a cliff. Or they could always support UAB. It doesn't really matter to me.
and I believe that he will turn us around and win big at State. I don't want to change him, everyone knew he was a redass when we hired him, but if what everone is saying is true, he should tone it down a little. My father was a yeller, cusser and screamer--it made working on cars or home improvement projects a little tough and always put me on edge. I've been to enough games to realize that the players act as if they are playing on edge. Hey, if he needs to chew a player's *** out, let it rip but not to the point that if affects wins/losses. If he is doing this on a constant basis, I haven't heard it myself, then eventually it looses its effectiveness. If he cusses so what, but use it to make a point and then move on. All of this will go away when we are back to winning 40 games plus and hosting regionals.
we pay John to be our baseball coach. If we don't like his cussing we shouldn't have to hear it! What the hell do these people think Mullen does on the sideline during games? Tell nursery rhymes?
Todd, I agree with almost 100% of what you just said. I only disagree with my knowingly putting my son in a position to be exposed to that kind of language. That being said, you are absolutely right. You probably can't hear it in the Left Field Lounge.
I totally agree with your thoughts about supporting MSU's coach. Period.
Thanks for the discussion!
I totally agree with your thoughts about supporting MSU's coach. Period.
Thanks for the discussion!
All you can do as a parent it teach your child what is right and wrong. They will be exposed to lots more than you can ever imagine when they are with their friends. They will do things that embarrass you while they are growing up, but if they are taught what is right and what is wrong along the way, they will certainly turn out all right. We never tried to shelter our children from anything by picking and choosing their friends. In the end they picked the right kind of people to be around. Not saying all children will make the right decision, but if they know the difference between right and wrong, they will more times than not pick what is right.
My son played for some very vulgar mouth coaches and he played for some very low keyed (maybe **** and damn every once in a while), but when you have played for Stacy Hester and Robert Byrd, the mouth can't get any worse. Not saying he doesn't curse at all, but he knows he doesn't have to in the end to get the job done. Not saying anything about what Cohen should do, just that you have to teach children what is right and wrong and in the end they have to make that decision when it comes time.
My son played for some very vulgar mouth coaches and he played for some very low keyed (maybe **** and damn every once in a while), but when you have played for Stacy Hester and Robert Byrd, the mouth can't get any worse. Not saying he doesn't curse at all, but he knows he doesn't have to in the end to get the job done. Not saying anything about what Cohen should do, just that you have to teach children what is right and wrong and in the end they have to make that decision when it comes time.
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