Interesting- not even one mention for Russell as...
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from the people he knows in the know that its not even close between Relf and Russell. He felt it would be 70-30 Relf or even 75-25 Relf this season. Felt Mullen made the statement about it being a tight race just to keep competiton. Im paraphrasing obviously.
that 40% completion percentage that he has had so far this summer, we are in for alot of stalled drives. Should that happen, we will start seeing more and more of Russell. I will go one step further and say that if his completion percentage doesn't increase as the season starts or through the season, at some point in the season Relf will be relegated to a change of pace qb just as he was last year.
Mullen likes to keep the other team guessing and plus he needs to have a ready to go back up. Russell will have his day. By the time he is a Junior, he will be ready to go. He is a red shirt freshmen and will make mistakes. Relf should be way ahead of him. PlusI am sure Mullen has a plan. Miss State is a step in his career, if he fails his career is over. He will be a assistant coach from then on.
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four touchdowns to four interceptions and my god i dont know how many fumbles Tyson Lee had will not be duplicated this year? I mean I think we are way ahead of last year (which there was no where to go but up) but like the lifestyle and so many others have said, this is a run first spread option attack. Relf averaged dang near over six yards a carry last year. He will start, he will run and the coaches will put him in position to make plays. Not saying TR wont play. He will but anyone who thinks this spread offense, the one Mullen runs is going five wide and slinging all over the field will be sadly mistaken.
if he is 4-11-121 yards and 2 TD's because the other team keeps running a safety into the box and we hit 2 long passes on play-action, Relf will stay in forever...
Relf will be judged solely on moving the football- and there will be drives where we wont even throw a damn pass...
Relf will be judged solely on moving the football- and there will be drives where we wont even throw a damn pass...
in a lot of cases, if he is unable to produce on obvious passing downs when they don't bring the safety in, he is going to lose time to Russell. Maybe Dan will end up running Russell out there on every third and long, but I don't think that is likely. </p>
I hope that in practice, our defense has not been cheating the run and these dismal comp %'s he is putting up is partially due to safety help.</p>
I hope that in practice, our defense has not been cheating the run and these dismal comp %'s he is putting up is partially due to safety help.</p>
why don't we let this thing just shake out over the next couple of weeks before throwing Russell under the bus. BTW, if Russell gets 25% of the snaps, that's pretty damn good for a rs freshman QB. I hope Relf plays well enough to let Russell develop in however slow a manner is necessary. If Relf carries the load over the next 2 seasons, great. Russell would still have 2 years to start.
I just don't get this constant bashing of Russell at this point.
I just don't get this constant bashing of Russell at this point.
tenureplan said:
there is no threat of the run- it's done without lineman...so the secondarys are in complete cover mode...that definitely doesnt play into Relf's strengths...he has to have the threat of the run to be effective...And that's the question of the year for us- can Relf complete <span style="text-decoration:underline">enough</span>passes to be effective enough moving the chains...the run game for us will be solid...we just have to hit passes on 1st down with some play-action, and create more short yardage with quick screens on 1st or 2nd down
We're all dying to know
for Relf. You madea big dealof TR "turning it over" but Relf hitting 40% is overblown because of one your coach talk reasosns. I hope Relf knocks it out of the park but his passing in the egg bowl left no reason to think he is an SEC level passer, hope he has improved and has a good run/pass balance. Mullen, who last I checked, was our head coach, made a comment about the qb race being very close, yet we now have those who "know someone who knows someone in the know" who automatically know more than Mullen. Nice. </p>
1. Russell is turning the ball over too much right now- that is fact
2. Relf does indeed need to complete passes at a higher percentage. But expecting him to be a 60% passer is ridiculous. Only 4 of the 12 SEC starters last year completed 60%. I look for Relf to be about a 50% passer- and he can probably get away with it because we will have more big plays in the passing game with him this year
3. Our offense is not going to be balanced, nor will it ever be under Mullen- 60/40 is about what he wants.
4. Mullen can say whatever he wants, you and I both know coaches say **** all the time but do something else. Nobody is saying they KNOW more than Mullen, they are saying they know what Mullen isnt saying. Russell will play a good bit against Memphis- that's common knowledge. The Auburn game will tell you all you need to know about our QB situation. Until then, it's all speculation.
2. Relf does indeed need to complete passes at a higher percentage. But expecting him to be a 60% passer is ridiculous. Only 4 of the 12 SEC starters last year completed 60%. I look for Relf to be about a 50% passer- and he can probably get away with it because we will have more big plays in the passing game with him this year
3. Our offense is not going to be balanced, nor will it ever be under Mullen- 60/40 is about what he wants.
4. Mullen can say whatever he wants, you and I both know coaches say **** all the time but do something else. Nobody is saying they KNOW more than Mullen, they are saying they know what Mullen isnt saying. Russell will play a good bit against Memphis- that's common knowledge. The Auburn game will tell you all you need to know about our QB situation. Until then, it's all speculation.
On #2- I haven't seen anyone on here expecting him to be a 60% passer. I only want him to complete 50%. That's really not much to ask of any QB in any offense. You may be right with all of the scrimmages and situations that go along with them, but it still is worriesome to me that he can't complete 50% of his passes. Russell may be throwing picks, but at least he's managing to complete a good percentage of his passes. And maybe he is doing it to the second team secondary, but he's also throwing to second team WR's. Dylan Favre has been here all of a week and can complete 50% of his passes. Relf has been here the longest, and to me he should be a little bit further along. I know that he was extremely raw in high school and had Woody, but his stats are telling me that he hasn't made a lot of progress, and that's disappointing.
On #3- We had this discussion last week, and you agreed with this- that being balanced doesn't mean passing X amount of times and running X amount of times. It means being able to throw when you have to, and run when you have to. We aren't balanced right now not because of what Dan does or does not want to do on offense, but because at least to this point, we can't throw it to beat someone if we have to. I know the zone read option is unstoppable, and etc, but what if we have a bad day or something and someone shuts down our running game? Can Relf beat someone with his arm? Right now, I would have to say no. And without the threat of a passing game that is even halfway respectable, it's going to make it much more difficult to run. Especially now that we do not have a Dixon who can drag someone downfield 50 yards. Maybe Montrell Conner or Vick Ballard will prove to be a back like Dixon, but right now, I just can't convince myself that they will be until I actually see them do it in a game.
On #1- I do agree that Tyler Russell is turning the ball over too much and that he isn't ready. But that makes Relf's lack of progress even more disappointing.
On #3- We had this discussion last week, and you agreed with this- that being balanced doesn't mean passing X amount of times and running X amount of times. It means being able to throw when you have to, and run when you have to. We aren't balanced right now not because of what Dan does or does not want to do on offense, but because at least to this point, we can't throw it to beat someone if we have to. I know the zone read option is unstoppable, and etc, but what if we have a bad day or something and someone shuts down our running game? Can Relf beat someone with his arm? Right now, I would have to say no. And without the threat of a passing game that is even halfway respectable, it's going to make it much more difficult to run. Especially now that we do not have a Dixon who can drag someone downfield 50 yards. Maybe Montrell Conner or Vick Ballard will prove to be a back like Dixon, but right now, I just can't convince myself that they will be until I actually see them do it in a game.
On #1- I do agree that Tyler Russell is turning the ball over too much and that he isn't ready. But that makes Relf's lack of progress even more disappointing.
I don't care if it is Relf, Russell, or Farve under center as long as whoever is playing is giving us our best chance of winning.
I don't want to go back to being the worst team in the country at converting 3rd downs. We had to be pretty close to that two years ago.
As long as I've been watching State, it has seemed that we are always one of the best teams in the country at digging ourselves into 2nd and 20 or 3rd and 10 holes. If Relf can't semi-consistently convert obvious passing downs, he doesn't need to be our every down QB.
Relf's running ability will definitely open up the pass. By that same token, Russell's passing ability will open up the run. Maybe he can't run the zone read the way Relf can, but he will more than likely keep the safeties back.
Coach keeps saying that the Auburn game will truely show who is going to play and he is right...I just hope we don't see the Relf that we did in last year's Auburn game. So far, he hasn't convinced me that we won't.
I don't want to go back to being the worst team in the country at converting 3rd downs. We had to be pretty close to that two years ago.
As long as I've been watching State, it has seemed that we are always one of the best teams in the country at digging ourselves into 2nd and 20 or 3rd and 10 holes. If Relf can't semi-consistently convert obvious passing downs, he doesn't need to be our every down QB.
Relf's running ability will definitely open up the pass. By that same token, Russell's passing ability will open up the run. Maybe he can't run the zone read the way Relf can, but he will more than likely keep the safeties back.
Coach keeps saying that the Auburn game will truely show who is going to play and he is right...I just hope we don't see the Relf that we did in last year's Auburn game. So far, he hasn't convinced me that we won't.
On NCAA football, I have Army in my dynasty. I'm in year 2 my team is D overall with a D+ offense. I run the flexbone only and am consistently in the top 25 in total offense on the heisman difficulty level. My team sucks but my offense is good, statistically at least. My quarterback has about a 40% completion percentage...but I hit some deep pass plays every now and then due to the safeties playing up at the line. So...Coach, your theory is validated. I'm about 75/25 run/pass because my receivers suck donkey balls.
Why can't football get here quicker?
Why can't football get here quicker?
Can't refute objective evidence like that. Would you mind sending the 4 plays you run to Mullen when you get a chance?
#2- yeah, there are people here expecting Relf, that if he really is improved, to be upper 50's to 60% and that is just unrealistic for him. He will get better and better throwing the ball. That will come around. It's early in preseason practice- not to mention he is going against a pretty damn good defense. I want his percentage higher as does everybody else- and that was the million dollar question coming into the season concerning him. I remain hopeful he will make enough big plays in the passing game to overcome his percentage.
Russell is throwing too many picks- especially when he has been going against the 2nd defense. Sure he is going to improve with time, but time is getting short. We have lots of early games that matter tremendously. And dont give me the Dylan crap- that's against 3rd teamers...he wouldnt be going for 50% against the 1st bunch- it DOES MATTER which group of LB's and Secondary players you throw against.
#3- no, I dont think we can throw it when we have to to beat someone right now. And that may take time. But we really couldnt do that last year either. The passing game is going to be a work in progress with Relf. If you look at where our QB play has been the last 5-6 years, I dont really see how anybody can be disappointed right now. ****, 2 years ago, nobody thought Relf would ever play unless it was during a blowout.
I'm not worried about people crowding the LOS- we now have WR's that can beat people and Relf just has to hit a couple of those and we will have some real big plays. Hell, Bama did that to us last year and Heavens beat his defender down the middle but didnt realize he needed to look for the ball and Lee almost took his head off. We just have to make a couple of those throws to back people the 17 up.
Russell is throwing too many picks- especially when he has been going against the 2nd defense. Sure he is going to improve with time, but time is getting short. We have lots of early games that matter tremendously. And dont give me the Dylan crap- that's against 3rd teamers...he wouldnt be going for 50% against the 1st bunch- it DOES MATTER which group of LB's and Secondary players you throw against.
#3- no, I dont think we can throw it when we have to to beat someone right now. And that may take time. But we really couldnt do that last year either. The passing game is going to be a work in progress with Relf. If you look at where our QB play has been the last 5-6 years, I dont really see how anybody can be disappointed right now. ****, 2 years ago, nobody thought Relf would ever play unless it was during a blowout.
I'm not worried about people crowding the LOS- we now have WR's that can beat people and Relf just has to hit a couple of those and we will have some real big plays. Hell, Bama did that to us last year and Heavens beat his defender down the middle but didnt realize he needed to look for the ball and Lee almost took his head off. We just have to make a couple of those throws to back people the 17 up.
We NEED russell (OR favre) to be able to COMMAND some snaps. It will make us a much better team in the (likely) event that Relf is not as good as our offseason wool has lead us to believe.
That's why coach34 hoping and praying that TR sucks is so idiotic.
That's why coach34 hoping and praying that TR sucks is so idiotic.
You started this thread solely because you felt he was overhyped?
Just like Stansbury in basketball, you would rather that Russell sucks so you can say "I told you so" than for him to do well and you then having to say you were wrong; which of course, you still won't do.
Just like Stansbury in basketball, you would rather that Russell sucks so you can say "I told you so" than for him to do well and you then having to say you were wrong; which of course, you still won't do.
I found it interesting that so many people have hyped him in the past, or talked about how much he is going to play this year, or how he will take over the job before the season is over- yet when it came time to choose that offensive breakout player for this season, nobody was picking him. Instead, they picked:
Perkins- who will be a solid contributor, but will have a tough time getting alot of playing time
Heavens- who will catch 27-30 passes at the very most this year- I predict about 25
Elliot- vying for time in a 4 man backfield
Conner- also vying for time in that 4-man backfield
Just found it interesting he wasnt picked more
Perkins- who will be a solid contributor, but will have a tough time getting alot of playing time
Heavens- who will catch 27-30 passes at the very most this year- I predict about 25
Elliot- vying for time in a 4 man backfield
Conner- also vying for time in that 4-man backfield
Just found it interesting he wasnt picked more
they just aren't ready to write off his career which you were doing last week. You have softened your stance by saying he might not be ready this year - which I could easily agree with.
I dont really think he will be ready to play SEC football this year. He should be ok against Memphis, Alcorn, UAB...maybe Houston and Kentucky...but I worry about him being very turnover prone this upcoming season...
The part I have tried to get straight is that you guys were acting like I was trying to make him out to be a Henig or a Kyle York- and that is far from the truth
The part I have tried to get straight is that you guys were acting like I was trying to make him out to be a Henig or a Kyle York- and that is far from the truth
you were getting happy when he threw interceptions in PRACTICE. You wanted to be right so bad that you got excited to post that Russell was throwing INT's. That's the other problem.
And last week - you weren't saying Russell wouldn't be ready this year - hence you softening your stance.
And last week - you weren't saying Russell wouldn't be ready this year - hence you softening your stance.
way to go out on a limb.
I think we look a lot like 99. Relf/Madkin as the starter with good running ability and decent passing, but not great. Russell/Wyatt comes in as a passer with little mobility but is able to sling it around and catch up<span style="font-style: italic;"> if need be</span>. The biggest difference is our defense isn't going to be as good as 99 and our running game will be better statistically.
I think we look a lot like 99. Relf/Madkin as the starter with good running ability and decent passing, but not great. Russell/Wyatt comes in as a passer with little mobility but is able to sling it around and catch up<span style="font-style: italic;"> if need be</span>. The biggest difference is our defense isn't going to be as good as 99 and our running game will be better statistically.
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