Interesting piece on SEC dominance in football

Philly Dawg

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Interesting, yes, but....

complete hogwash. Nothing more than the wishful thinking of a Big Ten fan. Although it was a big blow to Arkansas, Florida still could have won the game, since it ultimately won by more than seven points. Further, everything else in his story is a huge logical jump. Lloyd Carr didn't get fired for that year's performance, but for the next year when the lost to Appalachian State. How does that relate to Arkasnas's fumble? And what does that game have to do with LSU and Alabama's rise to prominence? Nothing. At best, he can argue that the Big Ten would have had one more champtionship and the SEC one less - which would still be domination by the SEC.
 

615dawg

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I think the point was that if Michigan and Ohio State played for the national championship that year, the SECs domination would have lost its starting point. Not that the SEC wouldn't have won a couple of national titles, but not seven straight.
 

patdog

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Interesting theory. He's making the mistake of seeing a cause-and-effect in the fumbled punt though. As others have pointed out, Florida won by more than 7 and they also dominated the game statistically. Very good chance they win with or without the fumbled punt. Even if they had lost and Michigan and Ohio St. had played for the national title, it would have just delayed the SEC dominance that was already beginning by 1 year and the SEC would have 6 straight titles now instead of 7.
 

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complete hogwash. Nothing more than the wishful thinking of a Big Ten fan. Although it was a big blow to Arkansas, Florida still could have won the game, since it ultimately won by more than seven points. Further, everything else in his story is a huge logical jump. Lloyd Carr didn't get fired for that year's performance, but for the next year when the lost to Appalachian State. How does that relate to Arkasnas's fumble? And what does that game have to do with LSU and Alabama's rise to prominence? Nothing. At best, he can argue that the Big Ten would have had one more champtionship and the SEC one less - which would still be domination by the SEC.

He also points out recruits were 9 and 10 year olds and they go to these schools because of their childhood. Alabama was terrible. Tennessee was good. How is that working out for those two? USCe was the worst.

I get his point, and it's an interesting take on "what ifs". Just might be a stretch. Good read though.
 

Philly Dawg

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I understand that there would be six rather than seven straight, but the problem with the analysis is that it's a huge and unsupported leap of logic to think that a Big Ten win in 2006 would have somehow prevented LSU from winning it the next year, or Tebow led Florida team from winning it the next, Auburn from hiring Cam Newton, or Saban from later building the dynasty he's built at Bama. The Texas win in 2005 didn't cause the Big 12 to start dominating college football.

Could Lloyd Carr have survived his loss to App. State if he had a title the year before? Probably, but that doesn't mean that Michigan would have won a national title in the next seven years. And think for a second about the assumptions he's making about Ohio State when he says that if they had won, Tressel may not have felt the pressure to start cheating. What an absurd self serving statement from a deluded fan.

The underlying structural conditions would not have been affected by that game. The SEC was still raising more and more money, paying coaches more and more, and improving their recruiting more and more. The reason the SEC has dominated college football is not "because Florida won in 2007."
 

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Yeah it’s reeeeaaaally reaching. And what was the deal with him calling Florida’s win over Ohio State a “huge upset”? Was anyone really surprised when tOSU got their asses kicked?
 

GloryDawg

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OSU made one of the dumbest mistakes in the history of college football in 2011.

If they had voluntary took the bowl ban they knew they would eventually receive in 2011 when they were 6 and 6 in the regular season, they and not Alabama would have played ND in the National Championship team. All that money and the NC lost just to go to a bowl game at 6 and 6. <O:p</O:p