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Mullen is obviously the best coach we have ever had in his 1st 4 seasons, with a record of 29-22.

But what I didnt realize is that Cutcliffe is the only coach OM has had in its history with a better 1st four than Mullen.

Just an interesting fact for a March humpday
 
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Where is the interesting point?

What about that gibberish means anything to either a State or OM fan? Was that a jab at OM, a kudos to Mullen or what? Couldn't someone also say Houston Nutt had the best record in OM or MSU history in his first two years? My pointless point would be that most coaches have bad records in their first four years, since they are hired b/c someone got fired for losing, so have the second most wins in the first four years means you are likely just the second tallest midget.

Sometimes pointless stats are just pointless.
 
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Cut's first 4: OM played only 11 ranked teams, only 3 ranked 16 or better.***

Coach34 said:
Mullen is obviously the best coach we have ever had in his 1st 4 seasons, with a record of 29-22.

But what I didnt realize is that Cutcliffe is the only coach OM has had in its history with a better 1st four than Mullen.

Just an interesting fact for a March humpday
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tb2 said:
What about that gibberish means anything to either a State or OM fan?
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A) It shows that the school that always talks about their great history isnt that great

B) It reiterates just how good Mullen's start is for our school, and shows it would also be good at OM. In spite of hearing Mullen "has reached his ceiling" from OM fans and some idiot State fans- it shows his ceiling is higher than anybody in our history- and most anybody in OM's history
 
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Vaught's record his first 4 years was 26-13-1, which is a better winning percentage than 29-22.

/insert witty comment about UM fans living in the past.
 
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Coach34 said:
A) It shows that the school that always talks about their great history isnt that great

B) It reiterates just how good Mullen's start is for our school, and shows it would also be good at OM. In spite of hearing Mullen "has reached his ceiling" from OM fans and some idiot State fans- it shows his ceiling is higher than anybody in our history- and most anybody in OM's history
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Well, Hugh Freeze's first year at Ole Miss was greater than Mullen's, so obviously it is HE who has the higher ceiling. YEAHH BOYYYYYY YOU JUST GOT SO PUNKED, WOOOOOOOOO.
 
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Coach34 said:
A) It shows that the school that always talks about their great history isnt that great

B) It reiterates just how good Mullen's start is for our school, and shows it would also be good at OM. In spite of hearing Mullen "has reached his ceiling" from OM fans and some idiot State fans- it shows his ceiling is higher than anybody in our history- and most anybody in OM's history
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What about his first four years is a predictor that his ceiling is higher than anyone in your history? That makes no sense whatsoever.
 
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What state fan doesn't remember the way we felt after that day in 1941 when we held the sec trophy high?

Ahh the memories.
 
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Vaught's first 4: played only 6 ranked teams, only 2 ranked 16 or better...

Both Vaught and Cut played MUCH easier schedules than Mullen has faced in his first four seasons.
 
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I really don't care to debate the relative strengths of teams in the 1940s. I was simply pointing out that the original statement was incorrect. Also, Vaught didn't have a losing season in year four. If you want to believe that Mullen will turn out to be a better coach than Vaught, have at it.
 
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King Jackie won 53% of his games, Mullen has won 57%. What is 'obvious' about 4%? Played 11 games back in King Jackie's day, most likely all 4 would have been patsies. But, just for comparison, let's give him 3 wins out of 4, just like Mullen. Then his winning percentage is 55%. He also tied Arkansas and Arkansas State. In modern times you'd play that out in OT, so let's assume a split there. Still 55%. So you've got a 2% difference. Technically you are correct.

NOW....let's take it a bit further. Both King Jackie and Mullen went 3-1 vs. Ole Miss in their first 4 years. King Jackie's best wins during that stretch:

@ Texas '92 (6-5)
Florida '92 (9-4, SEC East Champs)
Tennessee '94 (8-4)
@ South Carolina '94 (7-5)

Mullen's best wins:

Ole Miss '09 (9-4)
Georgia '10 (6-7)
Florida '10 (8-5)
Michigan '10 (7-6)

You could argue a few others, like Kentucky '09 which was 7-6, but I think Georgia trumps that, simply because it was our first victory over them in forever.

So, looking at those two bodies of work, I wouldn't say Mullen is "obviously" better than King Jackie. Mullen has been more consistent and doesn't lose to terrible teams, but King Jackie beat better teams.
 
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In Cut's first four seasons, he was actually 29-19 to Mullen's 29-22. His first rebel win was in the '98 Indy Bowl.

At the same time, Mullen did so with a 12 game regular season, while Cut did it with an 11 game season.

Tubs was just a few games short of Mullen's win percentage, but he also didn't have the 12 game regular season.

When you talk about history and Vaught, you fail to consider that some seasons of yesteryear were only 8 or 9 games.
 
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Mullen's 1st 4: 18 games played vs ranked teams, 13 vs Top 16***

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Stansbury's winning percentage his first four years was 61%. So Stansbury was obviously a better coach than Mullen.
 
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Well year five for Cut was 2003, so Im assuming you are predicting 10 wins?

If you are going to compare Mullen to Cut based purely on record, I would think you would then be pretty stoked about the upcoming year. Year five of Cut's program gave us a pretty salty 2003 team that went 7-1 and 10-3 overall.

I mean the 5th year of a program for a coach is usually a defining year as to how you have built your program since everyone on campus you have signed. The problem with Cut was that he simply failed to take advantage of a crumbling MSU program and didn't build off his limited success. Any time you have a coach that can't take advantage of their in-state rival being a complete bottom feeder is a sure sign that you simply don't have the right guy at the helm. MSU from 2001-2003 was a bad football program, similar to OM from 2010-2011;

It will be interesting to see if Mullen took advantage of the situation and built his program up to a point where his 5th season will be his best season yet. Cut couldn't do it as his 6th year proved.
 
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Hughs first yr schedule was nowhere near the schedule Mullen had yr one....and Hugh only got two more wins out of it....nowhere near the same
 
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Arloguthrie said:
I was simply pointing out that the original statement was incorrect. Also, Vaught didn't have a losing season in year four.
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5-5(1-5) is a "winning season" in year 4?

8-5(4-4) is a losing season?
 
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A couple of comment. Sherrill took over a much better program than Mullen did. And you conveniently left out a comparison of their worst losses in their first 4 years. Memphis twice (5-6 & 6-5), LSU 3 times (2-9, 4-5 & 4-7), USC (5-6), and who could forget the tie against 2-8-1 Arkansas St. Mullen's worst loss is 7-6 Mississippi. 8-5 Auburn is his only other loss to a team with less than 10 wins.
 
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Comparing current coaches ...

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King Jackie won 53% of his games, Mullen has won 57%.
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With coaches in the past is a true "apples to oranges" comparison. There are just too many differences to the calculus problem. Yes, we play 12 games now vs. 11 or even 10 in the past BUT no one has mentioned the absolute power of the SEC and specifically the SEC West which has won the NC in each and every year that Dan has been at State.
 
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No. I was responding to the poster who said Vaught had a losing season in his 4th season and pointed out simply that it wasn't a losing season. It wasn't a winning season either but breaking even isn't a losing season.
 
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Coach34 said:
Color me shocked your reading comprehension sux

I didnt do any of the research- that's why I said "per Engie"
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Also shocking that you are a grown man who types "sux." And your original post reads as if Engie did the State research and you did your own Ole Miss research. Sorry if that is inaccurate, but that is how your post appears. If Engie is the math wizard then I apologize.
 
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There sure were alot of NFL players on the field when Mullen took over for it to be so bad..
 
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I agree with what you say. Don't know about that bit about Sherrill taking over a better program. It's all debatable. Felker recruited well, but you could say Croom left Mullen with some players too. Plus he had went to a bowl game recently and Felker went Tech and Ten a few years before Sherrill got there.

But I'm also not trying to discredit Mullen. I just don't think what he's done is OBVIOUSLY much better than Sherrill. I think they both did great jobs.
 
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I think they are dueling retards.

One struggles at math and the other, well, he just struggles.

You want some of meeeee?
 
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Interesting

MedDawg said:
Vaught's first 4: played only 6 ranked teams, only 2 ranked 16 or better...

Both Vaught and Cut played MUCH easier schedules than Mullen has faced in his first four seasons.
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It was my understanding from some discussions on this board that schedule strength didn't matter, only wins and losses.
 
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