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Xenomorph

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I've said it before, prior to social media I never would've believed that the ability to communicate more would be the thing that brought down western civilization.

But we're headed in that direction... quickly.
 
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OG Goat Holder

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I've said it before, before social media I never would've believed that the ability to communicate more would be the thing that brought down western civilization.

But we're headed in that direction... quickly.
It makes thing real. Crime and violence is a good bit down from the past overall, but social media makes it real, whereas in the past it was easier to ignore.
 

J-Dawg

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I've said it before, before social media I never would've believed that the ability to communicate more would be the thing that brought down western civilization.

But we're headed in that direction... quickly.
B/c honest, real connections with your fellow human are made in face to face connections. Even more so in connections with people that do not live inside your bubble or who are from completely different backgrounds. Technology/media/social apps are great for making initial connections, spreading information, etc. The downside is that you can't express the fullness of humanity across non-sentient pathways. Therefore, we lose a part of humanity being "chronically online", hence where we are. Well, just one of the many reasons.

And before this gets locked up, I think it's a very human problem and is true across all races, backgrounds, belief systems, economic systems, political ideologies..... it's not a problem of those things..... it's a problem of the slow erosion of the soul of humanity.
 

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B/c honest, real connections with your fellow human are made in face to face connections. Even more so in connections with people that do not live inside your bubble or who are from completely different backgrounds. Technology/media/social apps are great for making initial connections, spreading information, etc. The downside is that you can't express the fullness of humanity across non-sentient pathways. Therefore, we lose a part of humanity being "chronically online", hence where we are. Well, just one of the many reasons.

And before this gets locked up, I think it's a very human problem and is true across all races, backgrounds, belief systems, economic systems, political ideologies..... it's not a problem of those things..... it's a problem of the slow erosion of the soul of humanity.
That's true as well.

Being able to hide behind a profile, a N95 mask, and a ski mask, gives people a sense of protection, which in turn makes them less fearful.
 

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What kind of sample size and error bars get you from 66% to 47% in 2 months?
 

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You keep saying people are Hitler and the natural inference is that they should be killed. I think anyone who makes Hitler comparisons to any American politician or political commentator has blood on their hands. It’s irresponsible and stupid to boot. Anyone who is Hitler-sympathetic is marginalized already. But I don’t expect any change. The next assassin has already seen the love this one got. There will need to be very dire consequences for anyone associated with political violence in order to deter it. And just to be clear, that means public execution of assassin and life in prison without parole for anyone who abetted him.
 

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It’s the White Supremacist’s fault. Or at least, that’s what the wise Joe Biden said is this country’s greatest threat!
 
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615dawg

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I've said it before, prior to social media I never would've believed that the ability to communicate more would be the thing that brought down western civilization.

But we're headed in that direction... quickly.
Before social media:

"I want to 17 a toaster"
"You are a retard"
"Yeah, I need to grow up"

Since social media
"I want to 17 a toaster"
Googles toaster 17ing, finds community of thousands of toaster 17ers
"You are right to want to 17 toasters everyone else is wrong"
"Yeah, I need to 17 toasters"
 

ckDOG

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Younger generations have spent their lives in the shite vacuum of message boards and social media echo chambers and don't understand impacts and repercussions of real violence. They know not what they do.
 

ckDOG

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Before social media:

"I want to 17 a toaster"
"You are a retard"
"Yeah, I need to grow up"

Since social media
"I want to 17 a toaster"
Googles toaster 17ing, finds community of thousands of toaster 17ers
"You are right to want to 17 toasters everyone else is wrong"
"Yeah, I need to 17 toasters"
Correct. Instead of publicly shaming the village idiot, we've handed him a microphone and an easy pathway to find other villages' idiots.
 

ckDOG

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You keep saying people are Hitler and the natural inference is that they should be killed. I think anyone who makes Hitler comparisons to any American politician or political commentator has blood on their hands. It’s irresponsible and stupid to boot. Anyone who is Hitler-sympathetic is marginalized already. But I don’t expect any change. The next assassin has already seen the love this one got. There will need to be very dire consequences for anyone associated with political violence in order to deter it. And just to be clear, that means public execution of assassin and life in prison without parole for anyone who abetted him.
Absolutely. Words have meanings and people react to them. Hitler, racist, vermin, communist, scum, and on fire people up and the violent crazy ones can see it as a green light to act should those words come from someone they respect. 1A allows us to say these things but many of us are very irresponsible with that freedom and also fail to see it when the reckless language comes from groups they identify with.

Funny thing is most people that use such strong language to describe their political opponents would back down if push came to shove - keyboard and podium warriors that wouldn't back up what they would "fight" for. Maybe we should bring out the octagon and tell these folks to prove it there or fade away.
 

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Absolutely. Words have meanings and people react to them. Hitler, racist, vermin, communist, scum, and on fire people up and the violent crazy ones can see it as a green light to act should those words come from someone they respect. 1A allows us to say these things but many of us are very irresponsible with that freedom and also fail to see it when the reckless language comes from groups they identify with.

Funny thing is most people that use such strong language to describe their political opponents would back down if push came to shove - keyboard and podium warriors that wouldn't back up what they would "fight" for. Maybe we should bring out the octagon and tell these folks to prove it there or fade away.
Words are not violence. Don't be part of the problem.

But since you are using words, lets not forget the most common talking points right now. Nazis, fascists, etc.
 

Dawgzilla2

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Absolutely. Words have meanings and people react to them. Hitler, racist, vermin, communist, scum, and on fire people up and the violent crazy ones can see it as a green light to act should those words come from someone they respect. 1A allows us to say these things but many of us are very irresponsible with that freedom and also fail to see it when the reckless language comes from groups they identify with.

Funny thing is most people that use such strong language to describe their political opponents would back down if push came to shove - keyboard and podium warriors that wouldn't back up what they would "fight" for. Maybe we should bring out the octagon and tell these folks to prove it there or fade away.
I dont think most internet warriors even really know what words like "fascist", "communist", "Nazi", "Marxist", etc., really mean. I see them mis-used all the time. But the so-called leaders at the very top of our political parties use those words to describe their opponents.

Then we have another phenomenon caused by the internet algorithms and echo chambers that feeds people information about the bad things the "other" side is doing, while only giving the good images of their side.

Partisan blindness just keeps growing, such that every tragedy, even the smaller ones, can be used to push the two-sides further apart.
 

OG Goat Holder

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Before social media:

"I want to 17 a toaster"
"You are a retard"
"Yeah, I need to grow up"

Since social media
"I want to 17 a toaster"
Googles toaster 17ing, finds community of thousands of toaster 17ers
"You are right to want to 17 toasters everyone else is wrong"
"Yeah, I need to 17 toasters"
These parameters are correct.

Another example. 20 years ago we used to make fun of severe weather forecasts. That's because we couldn't quickly see the few places that actually DID get hit. At least not until a few days later, and by then nobody cared.
 

horshack.sixpack

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B/c honest, real connections with your fellow human are made in face to face connections. Even more so in connections with people that do not live inside your bubble or who are from completely different backgrounds. Technology/media/social apps are great for making initial connections, spreading information, etc. The downside is that you can't express the fullness of humanity across non-sentient pathways. Therefore, we lose a part of humanity being "chronically online", hence where we are. Well, just one of the many reasons.

And before this gets locked up, I think it's a very human problem and is true across all races, backgrounds, belief systems, economic systems, political ideologies..... it's not a problem of those things..... it's a problem of the slow erosion of the soul of humanity.
Way too many people believe social media BS, designed to get a reaction and manipulate, over their own lived existence. Day in and day out, they live just fine with a diverse crowd around them, but are utterly convinced that "they" are terrible people and bad things should happen to "them". It is crazy.
 
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ckDOG

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Words are not violence. Don't be part of the problem.

But since you are using words, lets not forget the most common talking points right now. Nazis, fascists, etc.
Sir, you're trying to pick a fight. I won't take your bait. Enjoy the rest of your day.
 
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ckDOG

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I dont think most internet warriors even really know what words like "fascist", "communist", "Nazi", "Marxist", etc., really mean. I see them mis-used all the time. But the so-called leaders at the very top of our political parties use those words to describe their opponents.

Then we have another phenomenon caused by the internet algorithms and echo chambers that feeds people information about the bad things the "other" side is doing, while only giving the good images of their side.

Partisan blindness just keeps growing, such that every tragedy, even the smaller ones, can be used to push the two-sides further apart.
Well said. Maybe one day the population will realize that being split left and right doesn't really help anyone but the leaders in power that benefit from that split? Seems like regular folks from left and right both have a populism movement going on - they just can't figure out that their opponent isn't the regular guy from the other party yet.
 

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I've said it before, prior to social media I never would've believed that the ability to communicate more would be the thing that brought down western civilization.

But we're headed in that direction... quickly.
Social media hurts, but I think a bigger contributor is our education system. Young people are always going to be prone to be more extreme I think, but they are getting indoctrinated by a bunch of midwits that never grow out of it. If you look at the people celebrating Charlie Kirk's murder, a disturbing number of them are teachers or work for universities and of the ones that don't fall into those categories, it seems like the majority claim a masters in some non-hard science or business field.
 

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Maybe some type of outlier event occured in that same time frame.
My hope would be that people get their heads out of their politicized @$$3$ and start condemning all violence and violent rhetoric. The utter BS of pretending it is one-sided is demonstrably false and disingenuous. We've allowed politicians to consistently dehumanize 50% of our country and we are seeing the results.

This is bad: https://www.justice.gov/archives/op...ttempted-assassination-former-president-trump

This is bad: https://www.reuters.com/investigati...-their-families-came-under-attack-2025-05-02/

This is bad: https://www.justice.gov/usao-mn/pr/...-and-mark-hortman-shootings-john-and-yvette-0

This is bad:

This is bad: https://www.kron4.com/news/bay-area...-bail-out-paul-pelosi-assailant-david-depape/
 
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The issue starts with boomers. This chart suggests that each generation has failed the next due to poor parenting. I know several teachers, and they all tell me that parents don't want to raise the kids but expect the school to. One friend told me he has been dogged cussed 20 plus times by parents over the years for sending homeowrk home or giving failing grade. , cussed 20 plus times by parents over the years for sending homework home or receiving a
 

FormerBully

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Social media hurts, but I think a bigger contributor is our education system. Young people are always going to be prone to be more extreme I think, but they are getting indoctrinated by a bunch of midwits that never grow out of it. If you look at the people celebrating Charlie Kirk's murder, a disturbing number of them are teachers or work for universities and of the ones that don't fall into those categories, it seems like the majority claim a masters in some non-hard science or business field.
I disagree; I think it is on the parents. By the time you make it to college, you should have a foundation laid that will protect you from any college professor. Parents have failed this generation by letting other things, tablets, sports, etc. raise their kids.
 
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Words are not violence. Don't be part of the problem.

But since you are using words, lets not forget the most common talking points right now. Nazis, fascists, etc.
Words are not violence, correct.
Words have incited violence.

Here are some other common hate inciting words that I am convinced many who use them dont actually understand- Marxist, Socialist, Woke, DEI, Communist.
 

mstateglfr

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Social media hurts, but I think a bigger contributor is our education system. Young people are always going to be prone to be more extreme I think, but they are getting indoctrinated by a bunch of midwits that never grow out of it. If you look at the people celebrating Charlie Kirk's murder, a disturbing number of them are teachers or work for universities and of the ones that don't fall into those categories, it seems like the majority claim a masters in some non-hard science or business field.
A disturbing number of examples that are pushed to you are from teachers because that is a really fun group to attack right now and an really triggering narrative to push for clicks and views.


My opinions now-
- Nobody should be killed or even harmed for practicing free speech.
- Charlie Kirk's long list of hateful quotes and views made him unpopular with a lot of groups, and he hurt their causes with his hateful efforts, so it shouldnt be surprising to see them happy he is gone.
 
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