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I posted this before so forgive the duplication but for all the jokes about wrestling being invented in 2011… attendance at CHA is down (didn’t even sell out vs PSU), online engagement is down and many posting talk about not being interested and even not watching anymore. It’s almost as if winning breeds fandom.
 

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I posted this before so forgive the duplication but for all the jokes about wrestling being invented in 2011… attendance at CHA is down (didn’t even sell out vs PSU), online engagement is down and many posting talk about not being interested and even not watching anymore. It’s almost as if winning breeds fandom.
Not winning is a big issue, but holy cow - not wrestling has to be an even bigger issue causing the declining interest.

When was the last time you watched an Iowa match against a legitimate opponent and witnessed a match like Desmond v Ragusin or Duke v Catrabone? Or watched as an Iowa kid destroyed a highly ranked opponent as Levi did on Friday?

There is nothing there. No way in hell Metcalf or McDonough recognize anything the Hawks do anymore. Marinelli who wrestled his rear off, at least until he got to Friday mornings at NCAAs, has to be asking himself what the hell am I watching? Sam Stoll who pushed, and pushed and pushed looking to get a stalling DQ every single time he wrestled (the single exception being that time at band camp when Deuce Rachal fell down on his back for Sam) exhibited a more aggressive offensive plan of attack than the most recent Hawk teams.
 

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Obviously we’ve all seen Aaron the last four years. I’m not ready to put him up with the top 4 until he faces somebody that is truly a solid podium guy and I’m not talking Tyler Knox despite his ranking.

He’s been a step behind the Blaze, Jax, Davinos his whole career - I don’t think he’s ever gotten close to beating one (0-3) and I’ll wait until he turns someone of consequence before I put him up there.

I saw this posted on the mat. The big 5 freshmen have faced each other a lot over the past 3 years. Records against each other:

Blaze 7-2
Jax 6-4
Davino 5-5
Seidel 0-3
Larkin 0-5
I agree i also think all of them have appeared to elevate their games a little bit im looking forward to watching them tournament time. although i think jax and seidel meet kn a couple weeks if im correct
 
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The Slum Lord's problem is that he doesn't have a good eye for talent.


I'm not sure I would trust anything Bob has to say.
On this I feel confident he wouldn’t say it if it isn’t true. His name is on the building, he would know if anyone would from a donor perspective.

also there are enough “insiders” that are brands haters over there that if not true would call him out

assuming true might it be a contributing factor to the long leash tnt get?? Brands is a team player and if the AD came to him and said Tom I need you to suck it up for a year to get this other thing going, brands would do it.

brands is many things but having a lack of commitment and loyalty to Iowa isn’t it.
 

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Could Iowa lose to Michigan this weekend? They're obviously a significantly better team than Michigan in general, but they don't match up well in a dual setting.

125: Peterson Dec Sotelo (0-3) <= But Peterson and Cruz are both listed in their match notes.
133: Ayala TF Botero (0-8)
141: Ragusin Dec Peterson (3-8)
149: McNeil Dec Block (6-8) <= This is probably a toss-up, but could go MI's way
157: Catrabone Pin Voinovich (12-8) <= Voinovich is a knucklehead who can get caught and Catro is a pinner
165: Caliendo TF Gates (12-13)
174: Kennedy Dec Be. Mantonona (12-16)
184: Br. Mantanona Dec Arnold (15-16) <= No Ferrari in match notes means another 4-1 SV1 loss for Gabe
197: Walters TF Sampson (20-16)
285: Ghadiali Dec Kueter (23-16)

Even if you reverse 149, they still win 20-19. If you make 157 a Dec, they win 20-16. They need both things to happen - Block beats McNeil and Voinovich limits Catrabone. And if Cruz is in for Peterson, MI could win that one, too. This is just a bad matchup for Iowa because their studs (Cali and Ayala) have MI's cupcakes and you can't win by 50 and score 10 points for it, whereas Iowa's black hole is against a mid-level guy who would lose to a stud but instead is going to negate Cali's bonus points.
 

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Could Iowa lose to Michigan this weekend? They're obviously a significantly better team than Michigan in general, but they don't match up well in a dual setting.

125: Peterson Dec Sotelo (0-3) <= But Peterson and Cruz are both listed in their match notes.
133: Ayala TF Botero (0-8)
141: Ragusin Dec Peterson (3-8)
149: McNeil Dec Block (6-8) <= This is probably a toss-up, but could go MI's way
157: Catrabone Pin Voinovich (12-8) <= Voinovich is a knucklehead who can get caught and Catro is a pinner
165: Caliendo TF Gates (12-13)
174: Kennedy Dec Be. Mantonona (12-16)
184: Br. Mantanona Dec Arnold (15-16) <= No Ferrari in match notes means another 4-1 SV1 loss for Gabe
197: Walters TF Sampson (20-16)
285: Ghadiali Dec Kueter (23-16)

Even if you reverse 149, they still win 20-19. If you make 157 a Dec, they win 20-16. They need both things to happen - Block beats McNeil and Voinovich limits Catrabone. And if Cruz is in for Peterson, MI could win that one, too. This is just a bad matchup for Iowa because their studs (Cali and Ayala) have MI's cupcakes and you can't win by 50 and score 10 points for it, whereas Iowa's black hole is against a mid-level guy who would lose to a stud but instead is going to negate Cali's bonus points.
I think they do lose . They're underdogs with the books Iowa +3
 
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Could Iowa lose to Michigan this weekend? They're obviously a significantly better team than Michigan in general, but they don't match up well in a dual setting.

125: Peterson Dec Sotelo (0-3) <= But Peterson and Cruz are both listed in their match notes.
133: Ayala TF Botero (0-8)
141: Ragusin Dec Peterson (3-8)
149: McNeil Dec Block (6-8) <= This is probably a toss-up, but could go MI's way
157: Catrabone Pin Voinovich (12-8) <= Voinovich is a knucklehead who can get caught and Catro is a pinner
165: Caliendo TF Gates (12-13)
174: Kennedy Dec Be. Mantonona (12-16)
184: Br. Mantanona Dec Arnold (15-16) <= No Ferrari in match notes means another 4-1 SV1 loss for Gabe
197: Walters TF Sampson (20-16)
285: Ghadiali Dec Kueter (23-16)

Even if you reverse 149, they still win 20-19. If you make 157 a Dec, they win 20-16. They need both things to happen - Block beats McNeil and Voinovich limits Catrabone. And if Cruz is in for Peterson, MI could win that one, too. This is just a bad matchup for Iowa because their studs (Cali and Ayala) have MI's cupcakes and you can't win by 50 and score 10 points for it, whereas Iowa's black hole is against a mid-level guy who would lose to a stud but instead is going to negate Cali's bonus points.
I will say I think Peterson can/will beat Ragusin. Ragusin is 6-4 (with losses to a backup Mizzou 141, a backup WVU 141, and a backup PSU 125/133/141) on the year and his best wins are Mason Gibson, Billy DeKraker, and Hunter Mason. Peterson is 9-2 on the year and 17-2 against all competition and his only losses are Mendez and Riccciardi (which he avenged). Plus he has a chance to really make a claim for that 141 spot with Nasir out/struggling before injury
 

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Could Iowa lose to Michigan this weekend? They're obviously a significantly better team than Michigan in general, but they don't match up well in a dual setting.

125: Peterson Dec Sotelo (0-3) <= But Peterson and Cruz are both listed in their match notes.
133: Ayala TF Botero (0-8)
141: Ragusin Dec Peterson (3-8)
149: McNeil Dec Block (6-8) <= This is probably a toss-up, but could go MI's way
157: Catrabone Pin Voinovich (12-8) <= Voinovich is a knucklehead who can get caught and Catro is a pinner
165: Caliendo TF Gates (12-13)
174: Kennedy Dec Be. Mantonona (12-16)
184: Br. Mantanona Dec Arnold (15-16) <= No Ferrari in match notes means another 4-1 SV1 loss for Gabe
197: Walters TF Sampson (20-16)
285: Ghadiali Dec Kueter (23-16)

Even if you reverse 149, they still win 20-19. If you make 157 a Dec, they win 20-16. They need both things to happen - Block beats McNeil and Voinovich limits Catrabone. And if Cruz is in for Peterson, MI could win that one, too. This is just a bad matchup for Iowa because their studs (Cali and Ayala) have MI's cupcakes and you can't win by 50 and score 10 points for it, whereas Iowa's black hole is against a mid-level guy who would lose to a stud but instead is going to negate Cali's bonus points.
Whether you watch One dual and realize it, or are a wrestling fan for 50 years and finally figure it out, it’s All about the Matchups.
 

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Could Iowa lose to Michigan this weekend? They're obviously a significantly better team than Michigan in general, but they don't match up well in a dual setting.

125: Peterson Dec Sotelo (0-3) <= But Peterson and Cruz are both listed in their match notes.
133: Ayala TF Botero (0-8)
141: Ragusin Dec Peterson (3-8)
149: McNeil Dec Block (6-8) <= This is probably a toss-up, but could go MI's way
157: Catrabone Pin Voinovich (12-8) <= Voinovich is a knucklehead who can get caught and Catro is a pinner
165: Caliendo TF Gates (12-13)
174: Kennedy Dec Be. Mantonona (12-16)
184: Br. Mantanona Dec Arnold (15-16) <= No Ferrari in match notes means another 4-1 SV1 loss for Gabe
197: Walters TF Sampson (20-16)
285: Ghadiali Dec Kueter (23-16)

Even if you reverse 149, they still win 20-19. If you make 157 a Dec, they win 20-16. They need both things to happen - Block beats McNeil and Voinovich limits Catrabone. And if Cruz is in for Peterson, MI could win that one, too. This is just a bad matchup for Iowa because their studs (Cali and Ayala) have MI's cupcakes and you can't win by 50 and score 10 points for it, whereas Iowa's black hole is against a mid-level guy who would lose to a stud but instead is going to negate Cali's bonus points.
You forgot the part where Arnold could win. He’s the slight fav imo if not it’s a tossup.
 

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I'm not sure Drake has regressed though the record makes it seem so. He has wrestled the gauntlet with JAX still looming. Drake will not be a pleasant draw in March. He is still really good. 133 is the deepest weight I can remember and they are mostly a bunch of whipper snappers. It is going to be wild at 133 and 141 for a few years.
If he doesn't do well at BIGs (4th) he will get an awful draw for NCAAs and could face one of the young studs in the qtrs.
 

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If he doesn't do well at BIGs (4th) he will get an awful draw for NCAAs and could face one of the young studs in the qtrs.
Losing earlier in the tournament isn't always the worst thing. He isn't a title threat so he will need to make hay on the backside if he wants another AA finish.
 
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Losing earlier in the tournament isn't always the worst thing. He isn't a title threat so he will need to make hay on the backside if he wants another AA finish.
It's never a good thing unless you're Tan Tom's kid at B10s. Consis have twice as many rounds, becomes a battle of attrition. Can and has been overcome, but best to stay in the winners' bracket as long as possible.
 

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It's never a good thing unless you're Tan Tom's kid at B10s. Consis have twice as many rounds, becomes a battle of attrition. Can and has been overcome, but best to stay in the winners' bracket as long as possible.
From an endurance place I agree, but the other side of that coin is coming off a couple of wins sometimes helps the guy who is going against the guy who just came off of a heartbreaking loss. People refer to this as sad boy matches and to me they are a real thing. PSU has thrived from some great backside runs but none cooler than Nick Lee his true freshman year.
 
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You forgot the part where Arnold could win. He’s the slight fav imo if not it’s a tossup.
There is absolutely nothing I've seen from Gabe this year that makes me think he's anywhere close to a favorite. Could he win? Sure, but it would be an upset. Beau M could upset PK, too, but I don't expect it.
 

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From an endurance place I agree, but the other side of that coin is coming off a couple of wins sometimes helps the guy who is going against the guy who just came off of a heartbreaking loss. People refer to this as sad boy matches and to me they are a real thing. PSU has thrived from some great backside runs but none cooler than Nick Lee his true freshman year.
Tyler Kasak's true freshman run was historic. Lost match #1 and won the rest to take 3rd. That is a rare feat, especially for a true freshman.
 
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From an endurance place I agree, but the other side of that coin is coming off a couple of wins sometimes helps the guy who is going against the guy who just came off of a heartbreaking loss. People refer to this as sad boy matches and to me they are a real thing. PSU has thrived from some great backside runs but none cooler than Nick Lee his true freshman year.
Who would be sadder than Drake going into that Blood Round match Friday night when he realizes he's not going to be a National Champ and the Hawkeyes are fading fast in 6th or 7th place in the team race.
 

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Tyler Kasak's true freshman run was historic. Lost match #1 and won the rest to take 3rd. That is a rare feat, especially for a true freshman.
Yes. Also, he would prefer 5 wins in the championship bracket over 7 wins in consis.

Nick Lee's first consi match was 8 vs 9. Sucked to be the other guy.
 
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There is absolutely nothing I've seen from Gabe this year that makes me think he's anywhere close to a favorite. Could he win? Sure, but it would be an upset. Beau M could upset PK, too, but I don't expect it.
Didn’t Gabe beat #6 Alred this year and lost close OT match to Fishback? Brock M is ranked #7? So why would Gabe be considered a big underdog/ not tossup here?

Beau M is ranked #11 and Kennedy is #3 and this would be considered a pretty big upset/surprising result if Beau won. That’s nothing comparable to how much you are downplaying Gabe. Don’t let Gabe’s no ranking fool yourself, he’s got elite defense and if he wasn’t behind Angelo he would def be ranked in the top 10 at 184 rn.
 
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Didn’t Gabe beat #6 Alred this year and lost close OT match to Fishback? Beau M is ranked #7? So why would Gabe be considered a big underdog/ not tossup here?
Not a big dog just not the favorite. The length of Brock could cause some issues. Probably a 55/45. Michigan is favored at 141 157 184 197 HWT. Iowa is favored at 125 133 149 165 174. My opinion is Block vs McNeil is like Brock and Gabe 55/45
 

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Not a big dog just not the favorite. The length of Brock could cause some issues. Probably a 55/45. Michigan is favored at 141 157 184 197 HWT. Iowa is favored at 125 133 149 165 174. My opinion is Block vs McNeil is like Brock and Gabe 55/45
Bruh call a spade a spade 55/45 matchups, last I checked, are close enough to be called a tossup. Ok he’s not a big dog nor a fav let’s just call it a tossup? If Gabe was ranked he’s a top 10 guy facing off #7… so a tossup?
 
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Bruh call a spade a spade 55/45 matchups, last I checked, are close enough to be called a tossup. Ok he’s not a big dog nor a fav let’s just call it a tossup? If Gabe was ranked he’s a top 10 guy facing off #7… so a tossup?
If your opinion is it's a toss up not sure that can be argued. My opinion is Brock has a slight advantage and why I used 55/45 . If I thought it was a coin flip I would've used 50/50.
 

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If your opinion is it's a toss up not sure that can be argued. My opinion is Brock has a slight advantage and why I used 55/45 . If I thought it was a coin flip I would've used 50/50.
How many matchups are truly 50/50 then, someone is always ranked higher. If Arnold is ranked I’d guess he’s #9. #7v#9. Ok #7 has slight advantage I can’t argue that.

Davino is ranked #2 and Blaze is ranked #4. This is close enough for me to consider it a tossup/maybe slight fav Davino. How are you considering this? What about if Jax was inserted in these matchups rn would you consider him an underdog, tossup, or a “55/45”?

Cannon is ranked #1. Duke is ranked #4. This is close enough to me to call it a tossup. Would you consider Cannon 55/45 “fav” here? Some might still consider Duke the fav. Is calling it a tossup incorrect or 55/45 better. How many matchups are even truly 50/50? Is AK vs QQ all in preflop close though to be considered a “coin flip” or would calling it a “flip” be wrong here since it is technically a 55/45%?
 
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From an endurance place I agree, but the other side of that coin is coming off a couple of wins sometimes helps the guy who is going against the guy who just came off of a heartbreaking loss. People refer to this as sad boy matches and to me they are a real thing. PSU has thrived from some great backside runs but none cooler than Nick Lee his true freshman year.
Tyler K on line 1
 

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How many matchups are truly 50/50 then, someone is always ranked higher. If Arnold is ranked I’d guess he’s #9. #7v#9. Ok #7 has slight advantage I can’t argue that.

Davino is ranked #2 and Blaze is ranked #4. This is close enough for me to consider it a tossup/maybe slight fav Davino. How are you considering this? What about if Jax was inserted in these matchups rn would you consider him an underdog, tossup, or a “55/45”?

Cannon is ranked #1. Duke is ranked #4. This is close enough to me to call it a tossup. Would you consider Cannon 55/45 “fav” here? Some might still consider Duke the fav. Is calling it a tossup incorrect or 55/45 better. How many matchups are even truly 50/50? Is AK vs QQ all in preflop close though to be considered a “coin flip” or would calling it a “flip” be wrong here since it is technically a 55/45%?
They're my opinions . I'm not looking to define anything. I would consider Duke a slight favorite over Cannon
 

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They're my opinions . I'm not looking to define anything
I’m asking you for your opinion on whos the fav , 55/45, or underdog for blaze vs Davino vs jax . And cannon vs Duke. Who you got? And how close are the matchups to u?

I’m also asking you what you call AK vs QQ all in preflop for poker. Many people consider this a “coin flip” but technically QQ is the 55/45 fav or is it close enough where you just call it a flip too. Genuinely asking you in case you played poker before.
 

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I’m asking you for your opinion on whos the fav , 55/45, or underdog for blaze vs Davino vs jax . And cannon vs Duke. Who you got? And how close are the matchups to u?

I’m also asking you what you call AK vs QQ all in preflop for poker. Many people consider this a “coin flip” but technically QQ is the 55/45 fav or is it close enough where you just call it a flip too. Genuinely asking you in case you played poker before.
Blaze is the favorite against them all 55/45. Davino vs Jax is a tough one I haven't seen Jax against enough good college guys yet so I say that's a 50/50 currently. Duke is the favorite against Cannon 55/45.

QQ is 55/45