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[MALOS]

Starocci won 3-1 in regulation, and I would predict the next time wouldn't be as close. Someone on our board said that the solution is to bull rush Ferrari's upper body when he is on his knees. I tend to agree. Physics support the aggressor.

And I agree. This is also why I am saying the next time Ferrari and Plott wrestle it won’t be as close. Ferrari scored 2 takedowns fairly easily. Plott was never close to scoring just like Ferrari wasn’t close to scoring on Starocci.

Hence, Plott is to Ferrari what Ferrari is to Starocci.

 

[PennState1985]

The point was he did NOT cheat and only OSU fans are saying wrestling one a knee is cheating. Try to catch up, buddy.

Plenty of PSU fans thought he was cheating 3 weeks ago, and still more now agree after Sunday. Try to catch up, Buddy!!!

In fact, I posted about it on HERE two weeks ago.

 

[GableBeer]

Plenty of PSU fans thought he was cheating 3 weeks ago, and still more now agree after Sunday. Try to catch up, Buddy!!!

In fact, I posted about it on HERE two weeks ago.

How is it cheating when it’s not against the rules?

 

[PennState1985]

How is it cheating when it’s not against the rules?

 

[MALOS]

Plenty of PSU fans thought he was cheating 3 weeks ago, and still more now agree after Sunday. Try to catch up, Buddy!!!

In fact, I posted about it on HERE two weeks ago.

Cheating? As in against the rules or doing something that nobody else is doing?


Wrestling on one knee is not cheating no matter how you try to spin it.

Also, nice try suggesting I think Robles was cheating when my point was just the opposite.

 

[chasepollard]

The point was he did NOT cheat and only OSU fans are saying wrestling one a knee is cheating. Try to catch up, buddy.

Check your tone girl, use your inside voice….

His name is pennstate1985, he’s not an OSU fan.

 

[PennState1985]

Cheating? As in against the rules or doing something that nobody else is doing?

Cheating like in taking a performance enhancing drug without a prescription like Fix or Brooks?

Wrestling on one knee is not cheating no matter how you try to spin it.

Also, nice try suggesting I think Robles was cheating when my point was just the opposite.

Keep trying to defend cheating. It's okay. We understand that you guys are desterately trying to hold on to 2nd place. It's a real challenge to defend that. I predict a real toss up at nationals for 2nd.

 

[MALOS]

Check your tone girl, use your inside voice….

His name is pennstate1985, he’s not an OSU fan.

He is a David Taylor fan. Don’t let the name fool you.

 

[PennState1985]

Check your tone girl, use your inside voice….

His name is pennstate1985, he’s not an OSU fan.

but I am a Chasepollard fan

 

[driad]

Cheating? As in against the rules or doing something that nobody else is doing?

Wrestling on one knee is not cheating no matter how you try to spin it.

Also, nice try suggesting I think Robles was cheating when my point was just the opposite.

 

[chasepollard]

He is a David Taylor fan. Don’t let the name fool you.

I agree with you on the cheating.

Cheaping is different but a win is a win.

 

[PennState1985]

He is a David Taylor fan. Don’t let the name fool you.

what does that even mean? I literally give my money to PSU wrestling, and only to PSU wrestling. I wish DT and OSU well but always to finish 2nd. My opinion on Ferrari is from a neutral position. It's bad for wrestling.

 

[MALOS]

Starocci won 3-1 in regulation, and I would predict the next time wouldn't be as close. Someone on our board said that the solution is to bull rush Ferrari's upper body when he is on his knees. I tend to agree. Physics support the aggressor in that case. The aggressor will usually end up on top.

Ferrari’s wrestling IQ is top notch. If you bull rush him then he will shoot on you. He wrestles on one knee until he closes the distance then he comes up. He shoots from a tie up not from one knee. Plott had plenty of opportunities to shoot but did not. Is Ayala cheating too? Chris Perry used to do it as well. Bartlett just did it a whole match against Mendes. It’s not cheating just because you don’t like the outcome.

 

[CRIA7415]

I had a great time at the dual last night. Iowa is very hospitable and their fans do a great job of supporting their team with crowd noise. Got to meet Cooper Dejean in the tunnel before the dual, so that was cool. Security let me linger between our bench and the locker room "as long as no one complains and I don't cause any trouble". Quite a few fans from Oklahoma State in attendance. Fun night and it was too bad that a Ferrari cost us the win. Go Pokes!!!

That was the biggest opposing team fan base that i can remember. Even Minny and Nebby haven’t shown up that well. Then again, could have just been that obnoxious hunter orange burning my retinas.

 

[PennState1985]

I agree with you on the cheating.

Cheaping is different but a win is a win.

The truth is that Plott and the coaches did a poor job of scouting Ferrari and game planning for his tendencies. That was a winnable bout. The good side of that is that I bet DT has been up since then thinking about it. A good learning experience for the team.

Mistakes and losses make the best teachers.

 

[PennState1985]

Ferrari’s wrestling IQ is top notch. If you bull rush him then he will shoot on you. He wrestles on one knee until he closes the distance then he comes up. He shoots from a tie up not from one knee. Plott had plenty of opportunities to shoot but did not. Is Ayala cheating too? Chris Perry used to do it as well. Bartlett just did it a whole match against Mendes. It’s not cheating just because you don’t like the outcome.

It's okay, It will be dealt with in due time.

 

[MALOS]

It's okay, It will be dealt with in due time.

Or not.

 

[chasepollard]

The truth is that Plott and the coaches did a poor job of scouting Ferrari and game planning for his tendencies. That was a winnable bout. The good side of that is that I bet DT has been up since then thinking about it. A good learning experience for the team.

Mistakes and losses make the best teachers.

Elephant in the room.

 

[OSUMatFan]

I doubt Plott will ever wrestle Ferrari in a collegiate style match again since Plott is a Senior and Ferrarri is redshirting.

 

[Cowboy1989]

Anthony Robles wrestled on one knee? Was he cheating. It is style and good wrestlers adjust for it.

I stand by what I said and if they wrestle again, Ferrari widens the gap even more after he felt Plott and how cleanly he finished his shots. Plott didn’t even touch Ferrari’s leg and the potentially dangerous call was off Ferrari’s own shot. Neither wrestler was ever going to score there.

Listen, I think Okie State looked great. Next to Iowa, I’m a fan. They needed a coaching change and they got the best package on the market. But, Okie State is ended the season 14-1 last year. This year’s team ended at 13-1. The only big difference from last year’s team and this year’s team are the portal guys.

8/10 wins last night were portal guys. Ferrari and Ayala were the only ones that were not.

I think the NCAA needs to find a way to curb this and get some control on it. Maybe there needs to be a non-compete clause in signings that prohibit you from going to named schools? I don’t know the answer but just spit balling.

I think you should pay more attention to the post you reply to:

I never said Ferrari cheated. It is up to the refs to determine that.

Bringing up a one legged wrestler to validate your point - really?

Again, I never said Ferrari would not widen the gap. So look who you're responding to. It's debatable whether Plott would figure out his unique stance or not. You never see that in practice. It gives Ferrari a big advantage.

The call was potentially dangerous - not a stalemate. Very poor call - no knee turn at all. Debatable about whether Plott would have finished or not - it doesn't matter whether it was a counter of Ferraris shot or not.

I wouldn't call Spratley and Jamison traditional portal guys. They transferred to OSU as freshmen for their 1st competitive year. Not like a super star senior hired gun.

I don't love the portal either, but it's here to stay.

BTW - I think the main point of your posts are that you're fervently defending Ferrari. He was the #1 p4p in his class for a reason. Anyone arguing against him being a super stud is not being realistic. I think the just of the arguments simply center around his stance on whether it is either legal or should it be legal. Well, it is legal because the refs say it is. I don't think anyone can debate that. My opinion is, however, it should not be, for these reasons - he and a handful of others I have seen in the past do it for this simple reason - it is a defensive stalling tactic. When he is in that stance nobody is going to score, his opponent won't score and Ferrari won't score either because he's not capable of shooting from that stance. It's as boring as heck, there's no action. You might as well turn away from the match until he decides to get up and wrestle from his feet again - ITS NOT GOOD FOR THE SPORT TO ALLOW WRESTLERS TO STAY ON A KNEE - I have said this for years, it's not a personal attack on Ferrari.

 

[Cowboy1989]

The truth is that Plott and the coaches did a poor job of scouting Ferrari and game planning for his tendencies. That was a winnable bout. The good side of that is that I bet DT has been up since then thinking about it. A good learning experience for the team.

Mistakes and losses make the best teachers.

Agreed! Very winnable match and dual. Should certainly scout wrestlers thoroughly who have a unique style.

 

[MALOS]

I think you should pay more attention to the post you reply to:

I never said Ferrari cheated. It is up to the refs to determine that.

Bringing up a one legged wrestler to validate your point - really?

Again, I never said Ferrari would not widen the gap. So look who you're responding to. It's debatable whether Plott would figure out his unique stance or not. You never see that in practice. It gives Ferrari a big advantage.

The call was potentially dangerous - not a stalemate. Very poor call - no knee turn at all. Debatable about whether Plott would have finished or not - it doesn't matter whether it was a counter of Ferraris shot or not.

I wouldn't call Spratley and Jamison traditional portal guys. They transferred to OSU as freshmen for their 1st competitive year. Not like a super star senior hired gun.

I don't love the portal either, but it's here to stay.

BTW - I think the main point of your posts are that you're fervently defending Ferrari. He was the #1 p4p in his class for a reason. Anyone arguing against him being a super stud is not being realistic. I think the just of the arguments simply center around his stance on whether it is either legal or should it be legal. Well, it is legal because the refs say it is. I don't think anyone can debate that. My opinion is, however, it should not be, for these reasons - he and a handful of others I have seen in the past do it for this simple reason - it is a defensive stalling tactic. When he is in that stance nobody is going to score, his opponent won't score and Ferrari won't score either because he's not capable of shooting from that stance. It's as boring as heck, there's no action. You might as well turn away from the match until he decides to get up and wrestle from his feet again - ITS NOT GOOD FOR THE SPORT TO ALLOW WRESTLERS TO STAY ON A KNEE - I have said this for years, it's not a personal attack on Ferrari.

Actually Ferrari uses the one knee as part of his offense just like John Smith often did. And, how is it different than RBY putting one arm behind his back when wrestling DeSanto?

 

[WildTurk_rivals155877]

I'm not a fan of it because it's cheating and stalling.

How's come i never seen you say that when RBY did it? Is RBY a cheater?

 

[Cowboy1989]

Actually Ferrari uses the one knee as part of his offense just like John Smith often did. And, how is it different than RBY putting one arm behind his back when wrestling DeSanto?

Look, again I think Ferrari has a chance to be a 4 time finalist since he took a red shirt this year, so I understand his talent level.

My opinions is that Ferrari does not use his one knee stance for offensive purposes and others doing it don't either. The purpose is for one reason only - defense. It's simply bad for wrestling to allow it. I want wrestling to grow.

Lets not get into a discussion about John's stance - they are not comparable.

 

[Chris 15]

I guess I don’t understand wrestling well enough. How do they call you for stalling when you have the other guy’s leg in the air working for a trip while he’s hopping backwards to get OB?

Love David Taylor as our coach but after way too many of those stalling calls I would’ve liked seeing him let the ref know it was getting ridiculous!

 

[Cowboy1989]

Actually Ferrari uses the one knee as part of his offense just like John Smith often did. And, how is it different than RBY putting one arm behind his back when wrestling DeSanto?

In regards to RBY, I'm not a fan of that either, but it's not nearly as bad, you can still shoot on him - he's not hiding his legs. He can still initiate his offense as well. You can't initiate offense from a knee.

 

[MALOS]

How's come i never seen you say that when RBY did it? Is RBY a cheater?

Is it cheating like RBY with one behind his back? Is it cheating like Ayala against Rin or Bartlett vs Mendes?

It’s only cheating when Iowa does it. It’s only cheating because it was the difference in the dual. After the Nebraska dual, posters here thought it was ridiculous that Iowa was ahead of Okie State in the rankings. But, now it’s Iowa had to cheat to win.

If Arnold wrestles, Okie State wins almost every time because it’s a guaranteed 5-5 split and they win on criteria almost every time because of the separation at 25 and Hwt.

The real race between Iowa and Okie State is just beginning because Iowa is learning how to recruit and this is Taylor’s first recruiting class.

I know, I know, watch my tone !!!

And, I said before the year started — Hamiti is your best wrestler followed by Hendrickson and then Spratley/Plott. It sure looked that way last night.

I also said Iowa’s best were Buchanan, Caliendo and then Ayala.

Iowa is my team but I try to be objective as possible.

 

[MALOS]

In regards to RBY, I'm not a fan of that either, but it's not nearly as bad, you can still shoot on him - he's not hiding his legs. He can still initiate his offense as well. You can't initiate offense from a knee.

You certainly can shoot from a knee — ask John Smith and Coleman Scott. Oh, and McKenna is the godfather of one knee wrestling. Now, there is a guy in the room to practice against.

One arm and one leg is really no different - both used to limit the opponent’s offense. Again, Ferrari only goes to a knee to close the distance and then he stands up to lock up. All his shots are from his feet and not his knee.

 

[Cowboy1989]

You certainly can shoot from a knee — ask John Smith and Coleman Scott. Oh, and McKenna is the godfather of one knee wrestling. Now, there is a guy in the room to practice against.

One arm and one leg is really no different - both used to limit the opponent’s offense. Again, Ferrari only goes to a knee to close the distance and then he stands up to lock up. All his shots are from his feet and not his knee.

I'm done discussing it with you. You're not discussing wrestling logically for the good of the sport, you're just an ardent fan of a team defending it all all costs.

 

[Poke90]

Is it cheating like Fix or Brooks? Or, is it a different kind of cheating. Is it cheating like RBY with one behind his back? Is it cheating like Ayala against Rin or Bartlett vs Mendes?

It’s only cheating when Iowa does it. It’s only cheating because it was the difference in the dual. After the Nebraska dual, posters here thought it was ridiculous that Iowa was ahead of Okie State in the rankings. But, now it’s Iowa had to cheat to win.

If Arnold wrestles, Okie State wins almost every time because it’s a guaranteed 5-5 split and they win on criteria almost every time because of the separation at 25 and Hwt.

The real race between Iowa and Okie State is just beginning because Iowa is learning how to recruit and this is Taylor’s first recruiting class.

I know, I know, watch my tone !!!

And, I said before the year started — Hamiti is your best wrestler followed by Hendrickson and then Spratley/Plott. It sure looked that way last night.

I also said Iowa’s best were Buchanan, Caliendo and then Ayala.

Iowa is my team but I try to be objective as possible.

At least Iowa is learning to recruit. Thanks Uncle Bob!

 

[WildTurk_rivals155877]

I'm done discussing it with you. You're not discussing wrestling logically for the good of the sport, you're just an ardent fan of a team defending it at all costs.

He is making some logical points if you are being fair.

 

[chasepollard]

Is it cheating like RBY with one behind his back? Is it cheating like Ayala against Rin or Bartlett vs Mendes?

It’s only cheating when Iowa does it. It’s only cheating because it was the difference in the dual. After the Nebraska dual, posters here thought it was ridiculous that Iowa was ahead of Okie State in the rankings. But, now it’s Iowa had to cheat to win.

If Arnold wrestles, Okie State wins almost every time because it’s a guaranteed 5-5 split and they win on criteria almost every time because of the separation at 25 and Hwt.

The real race between Iowa and Okie State is just beginning because Iowa is learning how to recruit and this is Taylor’s first recruiting class.

I know, I know, watch my tone !!!

And, I said before the year started — Hamiti is your best wrestler followed by Hendrickson and then Spratley/Plott. It sure looked that way last night.

I also said Iowa’s best were Buchanan, Caliendo and then Ayala.

Iowa is my team but I try to be objective as possible.

You basically said it. One match, one technique from a non-starter that won’t be Wrestling moving forward this season won the dual.

I’ll bet you a hundo that we beat you in Philly this year. If you’ll be in Philly, I’ll even buy you a beer for the payoff.

 

[chasepollard]

He is making some logical points if you are being fair.

Some of them, not all. He’s also back to being abrasive as hell.

Hendrickson is our biggest hammer, not DJ.

 

[Cowboy1989]

He is making some logical points if you are being fair.

He did make some logical points and some statements that were ridiculous. He's all over the place.

 

[WildTurk_rivals155877]

He did make some logical points and some statements that were ridiculous. He's all over the place.

It goes both ways certainly

It was a great Dual overall. Tons of talent on the mat. Best Rivarly in college wrestling!

 

[Mc11]

Great dual meet! I can understand the frustrations on stall calls/non-calls, especially at 174. I’d love to hear an explanation of the PD call at 184 because I was expecting ND swipes to start.

I think Iowa is likely the better tournament team based on potential finalists and high AAs, but it will be close and maybe the Magic Man has them peeking. I would be shocked if Caliendo and Buchanan aren’t finalists and Ayala has a great shot (if Crookham is out and he didn’t wrestle last Friday), then mid to high AAs for Parco and Teemer (depending on tank and shoulder)…maybe they get something from Arnold and/or PK (I’d go with him).

I see 4 potential finalists for OSU with Spratley, Hamiti, Plott, and Hendrickson, but 174, 184, and 285 have a couple monsters that will be very tough to beat. Then Jamison, Amine, and Surber…and maybe Fish as AAs.

I hate the kneeling in neutral but it’s within the rules and ripe for the flying squirrel or face-to-face blast double. Seems really strange to compare it to a guy keeping his arm behind his back to avoid elbow ties.

Two long *** weeks until the conference championship…pace yourselves!

 

[cowboyfan05]

Someone on our board said that the solution is to bull rush Ferrari's upper body when he is on his knees. I tend to agree. Physics support the aggressor in that case. The aggressor will usually end up on top.

I would at least like to see a capable guy try to solve that puzzle while it's still allowed by the refs. The knee defense does feel cheap though and part of me hopes they outlaw it. It's not allowed in freestyle right?

 

[MALOS]

Keep trying to defend cheating. It's okay. We understand that you guys are desterately trying to hold on to 2nd place. It's a real challenge to defend that. I predict a real toss up at nationals

You basically said it. One match, one technique from a non-starter that won’t be Wrestling moving forward this season won the dual.

I’ll bet you a hundo that we beat you in Philly this year. If you’ll be in Philly, I’ll even buy you a beer for the payoff.

I absolutely agree if Arnold wrestles then OSU wins. All comes downs to bonus points and OSU wins.

But I will be in Philly and you’re on and not because I think Iowa will win but for the fun of it.

 

[Cowboy1989]

I would at least like to see a capable guy try to solve that puzzle while it's still allowed by the refs. The knee defense does feel cheap though and part of me hopes they outlaw it. It's not allowed in freestyle right?

I don't recall seeing freestyle wrestlers sitting on a knee like that - not sure if it's illegal.

 

[PennState1985]

I don't recall seeing freestyle wrestlers sitting on a knee like that - not sure if it's illegal.

I think it's a stall warning and then points after that if not engaged. So against the rules of freestyle.

An opponent would be wise to not engage Ferrari's edge wrestling on his knee, but instead go back to center and invite him to wrestle. I think after a time or two of that, the ref may more easily see the stalling. If you cannot shoot from knees, then by definition you aren't attempting to score, which is stalling.