Is anyone going to see Barack Oganja
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You mean when he comes to talk about the heroin epidemic? If that topic feels like "scolding" to you, then maybe there are some life choices you should re-examine
I was under the impression that he was going to focus on Oxycodone/Oxycontin, which apparently really is an epidemic in the coal fields of West Virginia, southwest Virginia, and Eastern Kentucky.
It is bad. It is close to epidemic. And it needs more than just "talk" to fix it. Bust these people's a$$es and stop putting them in rehabs. I'm sick of it.
Who? The Drs who prescribe it like candy? The drug companies? The FDA? Or the politicians?
I know a lot of Drs and clinics wont prescribe them. The most my doc will give for pain is lortab.
I think doctors need to work with the fda and drug companies and develop guidelines for guving them.
I just want to go back to a time of not having to have a manager come to the front of the store when I need to buy a bottle of cough medicine.
Right, that would be the list I asked above. I've had more than 1 of my friends and a couple of family members (including my 70 year old father) get addicted to these things and in every case it started with a legitimate injury and need. In all but one case they have kicked it through various methods of intervention. One of my best friends had back surgery and 3 years later he had $500 a day habit and was checking in to rehab and now spends 3 nights a week hanging out in church basements. He just celebrated 5 years but he was damn near on his way to the pokey at his low point. This isn't some dumb hill jack from Boone County. This an educated professional.
You should educate yourself a little on how this happened. You think it's coincidence they started running $39 flights between Huntington and Orlando? Why Huntington is called little Detroit? You could fly on a Monday, step off the plane, drive 5 miles to these dispensing clinics in FL and pickup a couple thousand pills, back on the plane on Tues. distribute on Wed/Thur in WV and catch a flight home to Det on Fri with your cash. It was known as the Oxy Express. Up until about 5 years ago, damn near every family practitioner I knew of in WV would write a script for an opiate like it was a Z-pack. Now when the regulations caught up with Florida and the pills started getting harder to get, in comes Detroit with the smack. Now we have daily overdoses on the horse. Growing up in Beckley, heroin was something in the movies. **** is everywhere from what I'm told by friends still there in the PD and some of my in laws back in Huntington. It's whacky.
Are the beaners a problem? Sure. It starts with my list though. These things are 1000 times worse than ludes ever were.
Perhaps if we get them jobs, and stop the get by on the government money, they might have something worthwhile to do with their lives. Nah, it'd never work.
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I would bet that in most cases, not all, that the majority abusing prescription pills began with a legitimate need and got addicted.
An article I read said it was going to be about heroin ... of course there's no reason it couldn't be about both ... and meth
They call Martinsburg "Little Baltimore". Pills are bad here, but Heroine is off the charts. The vast majority of OD's in this area are middle aged white men. So many start off getting addicted to pain pills, switch to Heroine and then are screwed.
When I had my second back surgery that pain was great than my first, which I had solely managed with Motrin. I ended up taking some of the Oxy when pain would flair up, but I wasn't close to anything more than maybe 1 pill a day. One evening my back pain was good so I went to bed with nothing, a couple hours into my legs were aching like mad. Like growing pains. To the point where I could not lay down and had to get up and stretch my knees. Wife told me I was going through withdraw. I won't ever take that **** again. When my neck flared up about 8 months ago it would have been easy to get a prescription for it, but I stuck with Motrin and just took the pain.
So I can easily see how anyone can wind up going down a path where the pill is a requirement for living. If I wasn't married to a nurse I probably would have popped another pill that night without thinking about it and only gotten worse with the "addiction".
Right now in Martinsburg there are 3 separate proposals floating around for Rehab facilities. Something has to be done.
I'm very well educated. Had one cousin die and another go to prison for it. Very well aware of the problems. However, I've been on pain pills before. Have you? I've had surgeries that required them. Have you? Guess what....I've never gotten addicted to them. In fact, I couldn't wait to stop taking them. Say what you want, but people who get "addicted" are just as to blame as those who prescribe and those who sell. SORRY! You seem bias because you cannot separate family from druggies. That's what mine were, DRUGGIES! They ceased being family when they ignored all warnings, all attempted rehabs, and continued down their dark path. If my cousin who overdosed and died would have been put in the slammer by the cop who stopped him and searched and found the pills instead of letting him go because "he knew him" then maybe he'd be alive today. Or maybe not. But he made his choice. You and I made our choice to not abuse or use.
I was going to call him a simpleton but my pledge of respect towards others and all....
It is that simple. Meth? Yeah, doctors are prescribing that. [eyeroll]Pain pill addiction? People still have something called SELF-CONTROL! Stop making excuses. Facts are facts.
You do realize that some people are less likely to become addicted to opiates but it is a small percentage. There is a small percentage of the population that is unaffected by morphine. Just because you wanted to quit pills doesnt mean everyone can.
Yea buddy, if anyone fits the profile of a pill seeking addict, it was my 70 year old father who is a prominent business owner and pillar of his rural community. The man made his millions by having no self control. /insert sad yet sarcastic eye roll.
One thing that is helping people with opiate addiction is medical marijuana. According to a JAMA study:
“States with medical cannabis laws had a 24.8% lower mean annual opioid overdose mortality rate compared with states without medical cannabis laws.”
http://blog.norml.org/2014/08/25/ja...ess-lower-rates-of-opiate-induced-fatalities/
Well, must be some skeletons in the closet that you weren't aware of. Addicts are all the same. Sorry if that is an insult, but it's how it is. No excuses just because he's your father or it was my dead cousin. Facts are facts. Not all "druggies" are homeless or trailer park people buddy.
Hmmm never heard that before. Wonder if Al-Anon should get in touch with you for your clinical genius.
I think that is a good idea. It has its oroblems but it is better that zombie pill seekers.
I haven't really seen the drawbacks to the medicinal use states. I admittedly don't follow that closely though. I'm all for the devils lettuce being legalized though.
For the people who have to take those pain pills, the government has made an absolute pain in the ***. I am OK with it now, but still a pain. The Dr will write 30days at a time, and you have to go into the Dr office to pick up the prescription - and sign for it. Sounds reasonable.
Then the pharm will accept the script on the 30th day - and sign it. No problem - if there is coordination. The pharm will not take the script any day before the 30th day. You cannot pick script at Dr office on the 28th day(Thur-office hrs are Mon-Thur) and drop it off at pharm on the way home. Remember the pharm will not accept it before the 30th day and hold until the 30th.
I have seen no provision for those who are out of town on DUE DATE. I had to cut school reunion short to get back into town on DUE DATE. I couldn't get them prefilled. I couldn't call Dr or drop off at pharm since signature was required.
No big deal? Spouse was taking three pills that fit the criteria. And they did not have a common DUE DATE. I was always picking up a script or taking it to pharm.
No big deal? What about those old folks in Southern WV who have Specialists Drs in Charleston or Huntington? They don't/can't drive, what do they do to get someone to drive them and jump thru the hoops being set by the Govt, This is absolutely unreal for those who have followed the prior rules and need the meds.
I am a little stubborn and said to hell with it, I will quit the hydrocodone twice a day. I stopped taking the evening pill. In a couple nights, my legs were hurting so badly I couldn't sleep. Quitting was not a viable option.
Then the pharm will accept the script on the 30th day - and sign it. No problem - if there is coordination. The pharm will not take the script any day before the 30th day. You cannot pick script at Dr office on the 28th day(Thur-office hrs are Mon-Thur) and drop it off at pharm on the way home. Remember the pharm will not accept it before the 30th day and hold until the 30th.
I have seen no provision for those who are out of town on DUE DATE. I had to cut school reunion short to get back into town on DUE DATE. I couldn't get them prefilled. I couldn't call Dr or drop off at pharm since signature was required.
No big deal? Spouse was taking three pills that fit the criteria. And they did not have a common DUE DATE. I was always picking up a script or taking it to pharm.
No big deal? What about those old folks in Southern WV who have Specialists Drs in Charleston or Huntington? They don't/can't drive, what do they do to get someone to drive them and jump thru the hoops being set by the Govt, This is absolutely unreal for those who have followed the prior rules and need the meds.
I am a little stubborn and said to hell with it, I will quit the hydrocodone twice a day. I stopped taking the evening pill. In a couple nights, my legs were hurting so badly I couldn't sleep. Quitting was not a viable option.
For the people who have to take those pain pills, the government has made an absolute pain in the ***. I am OK with it now, but still a pain. The Dr will write 30days at a time, and you have to go into the Dr office to pick up the prescription - and sign for it. Sounds reasonable.
Then the pharm will accept the script on the 30th day - and sign it. No problem - if there is coordination. The pharm will not take the script any day before the 30th day. You cannot pick script at Dr office on the 28th day(Thur-office hrs are Mon-Thur) and drop it off at pharm on the way home. Remember the pharm will not accept it before the 30th day and hold until the 30th.
I have seen no provision for those who are out of town on DUE DATE. I had to cut school reunion short to get back into town on DUE DATE. I couldn't get them prefilled. I couldn't call Dr or drop off at pharm since signature was required.
No big deal? Spouse was taking three pills that fit the criteria. And they did not have a common DUE DATE. I was always picking up a script or taking it to pharm.
No big deal? What about those old folks in Southern WV who have Specialists Drs in Charleston or Huntington? They don't/can't drive, what do they do to get someone to drive them and jump thru the hoops being set by the Govt, This is absolutely unreal for those who have followed the prior rules and need the meds.
I am a little stubborn and said to hell with it, I will quit the hydrocodone twice a day. I stopped taking the evening pill. In a couple nights, my legs were hurting so badly I couldn't sleep. Quitting was not a viable option.
Then the pharm will accept the script on the 30th day - and sign it. No problem - if there is coordination. The pharm will not take the script any day before the 30th day. You cannot pick script at Dr office on the 28th day(Thur-office hrs are Mon-Thur) and drop it off at pharm on the way home. Remember the pharm will not accept it before the 30th day and hold until the 30th.
I have seen no provision for those who are out of town on DUE DATE. I had to cut school reunion short to get back into town on DUE DATE. I couldn't get them prefilled. I couldn't call Dr or drop off at pharm since signature was required.
No big deal? Spouse was taking three pills that fit the criteria. And they did not have a common DUE DATE. I was always picking up a script or taking it to pharm.
No big deal? What about those old folks in Southern WV who have Specialists Drs in Charleston or Huntington? They don't/can't drive, what do they do to get someone to drive them and jump thru the hoops being set by the Govt, This is absolutely unreal for those who have followed the prior rules and need the meds.
I am a little stubborn and said to hell with it, I will quit the hydrocodone twice a day. I stopped taking the evening pill. In a couple nights, my legs were hurting so badly I couldn't sleep. Quitting was not a viable option.