Is Chadwell's star fading?

[18IsTheMan]

13-1 his first year at Liberty. 8-4 last year. Sitting at 2-4 this year with wins over Maine (who also lost to some school called Stonehill) and 1-5 UTEP.

Feels like he's trending the wrong direction.

 

[Lurker123]

Absolutely. He's not going to last long without a turnaround.

 

[PrestonyteParrot]

Definitely fading.
However, this is the fate of most coaches.
Very few coaches are able to consistently maintain a place on the winner's pedestal and retire that way.

 

[Cobie]

Absolutely. He's not going to last long without a turnaround.

Below is the norm for this Frog Bot. He counts on posters not being able to recall all of the nonsense he continually offers up in an attempt to methodically degrade the program. The reason the BOTs are so focused on an "ignore" campaign is because they can't handle being called out via their own words.

I would wager a lot of money that Chadwell will be coaching in a power conference long after Beamer is an analyst somewhere.

https://www.on3.com/boards/threads/if-anyone-thinks-beamer.1556443/#post-31107295

 

[18IsTheMan]

Absolutely. He's not going to last long without a turnaround.

Yeah, he seemed like a sure bet to some folks when he was at CCU, but things change. Ask Tom Herman.

 

[Lurker123]

Yeah, he seemed like a sure bet to some folks when he was at CCU, but things change. Ask Tom Herman.

I was one of those. Still curious if he turns it around.

 

[Piscis]

I have to wonder how NIL has affected Liberty. It appears that Chadwell did well with Freeze's leftover players, who I am fairly certain Freeze cheated to get. As the roster turned over to the newer players Chadwell brought in after NIL made it possible for the talented players to get more money at P4 schools, the success faded. The school claims 140,000 students but only 16,000 are traditional on campus students, the rest are online.

I think Chadwell messed up going to Liberty. I know he got a big raise but he might have sunk his future as a P4 coach. I still think he would have killed it at South Carolina.

 

[Lurker123]

I have to wonder how NIL has affected Liberty. It appears that Chadwell did well with Freeze's leftover players, who I am fairly certain Freeze cheated to get. As the roster turned over to the newer players Chadwell brought in after NIL made it possible for the talented players to get more money at P4 schools, the success faded. The school claims 140,000 students but only 16,000 are traditional on campus students, the rest are online.

I think Chadwell messed up going to Liberty. I know he got a big raise but he might have sunk his future as a P4 coach. I still think he would have killed it at South Carolina.

Purely anecdotal, so take fwiw. But I was watching a game earlier this year where they commented the qb was a transfer in from liberty.

Okay, looked it up, it was Colorado.

So his players are being poached by bigger programs, BUT, I assume thats true for all the teams in his division.

 

[Uscg1984]

However, this is the fate of most coaches.
Very few coaches are able to consistently maintain a place on the winner's pedestal and retire that way.

Yes, the list of guys who were very successful at one place (or a couple), who were unable to produce that same level of success at the next level is MUCH longer than those who win everywhere. Take somebody like Luke Fickell, for example, who is now on the hot seat at Wisconsin. His last 5 years at Cincinnati were spectacular, especially by Cincinnati standards. You have to wonder if he wouldn't have been better off staying there 20 - 25 years and becoming their Frank Beamer or Bobby Bowden. Sure, the pay would be less than at Wisconsin but it would still be in the millions-per-year. An $8m-per-year lifestyle isn't really that different from a $5m-per-year one.

 

[SouthernBelly]

Yes, the list of guys who were very successful at one place (or a couple), who were unable to produce that same level of success at the next level is MUCH longer than those who win everywhere. Take somebody like Luke Fickell, for example, who is now on the hot seat at Wisconsin. His last 5 years at Cincinnati were spectacular, especially by Cincinnati standards. You have to wonder if he wouldn't have been better off staying there 20 - 25 years and becoming their Frank Beamer or Bobby Bowden. Sure, the pay would be less than at Wisconsin but it would still be in the millions-per-year. An $8m-per-year lifestyle isn't really that different from a $5m-per-year one.

Spectacular by many standards, probably, not just Cincinnati’s. Never understood him leaving there. Had already made the playoffs as a G5 school and the Big 12 invite had already been issued to them before he left for Wisconsin.

I wonder now that this 12 team thing is here, with expansion inevitable, if more guys would be willing to stay at the upper crust of the G4 or if they build a program up like Fickell did. Moving on to P5 used to always make sense: more money & hopefully be in position to compete for bigger things.

But now, say you’re the Boise St coach - they’ve built a reputation. Dominate your conference and be in position to make the playoffs. Why leave other than the money? Money will come if you win. But maybe this is just me thinking ideally because I don’t make millions of dollars and I think, like you say, what is the ultimate difference between the seven figures? I’m pretty cheap, could get by on a couple mill per year in Boise.

 

[SouthernBelly]

13-1 his first year at Liberty. 8-4 last year. Sitting at 2-4 this year with wins over Maine (who also lost to some school called Stonehill) and 1-5 UTEP.

Feels like he's trending the wrong direction.

Possibly. Gotta be pretty hard to match 13 wins. Wouldn’t think 8 wins at Liberty would be a down year but maybe he’s having one this year.

 

[SouthernBelly]

Yeah, he seemed like a sure bet to some folks when he was at CCU, but things change. Ask Tom Herman.

No such thing at SC as we know. I was in the Chadwell camp during the coaching search. He fit the profile of what it seemed like Gamecock football needed. He did well at North Greenville and Char. Southern which is usually a dumpster fire. Maybe it will work out that between Beamer & Chadwell it prove that the right man is here, probably won’t know until after 2026.

 

[Sandchigger]

No such thing at SC as we know. I was in the Chadwell camp during the coaching search. He fit the profile of what it seemed like Gamecock football needed. He did well at North Greenville and Char. Southern which is usually a dumpster fire. Maybe it will work out that between Beamer & Chadwell it prove that the right man is here, probably won’t know until after 2026.

He might get the chance to go back to Coastal if Beck continues his path.

 

[Cobie]

No such thing at SC as we know. I was in the Chadwell camp during the coaching search. He fit the profile of what it seemed like Gamecock football needed. He did well at North Greenville and Char. Southern which is usually a dumpster fire. Maybe it will work out that between Beamer & Chadwell it prove that the right man is here, probably won’t know until after 2026.

Why until after 2026?

Beamer is in Season 5 and is our best ever at this point playing in the cut-throat SEC with the NIL and a brutal schedule.

Chadwell is sinking at Liberty in Conference USA in Season 3.

Make it make sense.

 

[Jean-Ralphio]

He might get the chance to go back to Coastal if Beck continues his path.

I'd look for Lembo there, potentially.

 

[SouthernBelly]

Why until after 2026?

Beamer is in Season 5 and is our best ever at this point playing in the cut-throat SEC with the NIL and a brutal schedule.

Chadwell is sinking at Liberty in Conference USA in Season 3.

Make it make sense.

College football often doesn’t make sense. Beamer sank in his third year then rebounded in the 4th.

I say after 2026 because they’ll both have been at the current jobs long enough to know what you have, in all likelihood

 

[Cobie]

College football often doesn’t make sense. Beamer sank in his third year then rebounded in the 4th.

I say after 2026 because they’ll both have been at the current jobs long enough to know what you have, in all likelihood

You're right -- That doesn't make much sense.

If he was ripping up Conference USA, you might be able to make a vague comparison -- but that's not the case.

It's a tale of two cities.

 

[Piscis]

College football often doesn’t make sense. Beamer sank in his third year then rebounded in the 4th.

I say after 2026 because they’ll both have been at the current jobs long enough to know what you have, in all likelihood

This is year 5 for Beamer, we know what we have.

 

[kidrobinski]

This is year 5 for Beamer, we know what we have.

We have a guy that started his career as a head coach in the SEC at a program with zero built-in advantages during the time when NIL and the portal also evolved and the league added Texas and Oklahoma that actually wants to be here and has actually done fairly well in spite of fans that for some reason think we would be competing in the upper echelon were it not for him. That’s what we have.

He will learn and grow. It will be to our benefit. It’s a new song.

Otherwise, I believe Belichick is available. Second verse, same as the first.

 

[Piscis]

We have a guy that started his career as a head coach in the SEC at a program with zero built-in advantages during the time when NIL and the portal also evolved that actually wants to be here and has actually done fairly well in spite of fans that for some reason think we would be competing in the upper echelon were it not for him. That’s what we have.

He will learn and grow. It will be to our benefit. It’s a new song.

Otherwise, I believe Belichick is available. Second verse, same as the first.

I see a coach who is pretty typical of the history of SC football, up and down and slightly above .500 overall and will continue to be that forever. Luckily for Beamer, the gamecock fan base doesn't really expect or demand too much. Anyone who thinks SC is going to compete in the upper echelon of the SEC any time soon is delusional. Outside of three or four seasons in its history, SC football has never competed in the upper echelon of any football.

Hiring Belichick would be a classic Carolina move, hiring a name and a retread coach at the end of his career.

 

[Lurker123]

This is year 5 for Beamer, we know what we have.

Do we though?

The first couple years were tough but he managed. He was learning on the job, and being average.

The year 3 has the schizophrenic results of floundering, then getting pummeled by UF, only to follow it up with the two excellent wins. Momentum, finally. But no, we lose the bowl. Then follow that up with a losing season.

Then the improbable year last year. Again, woo hoo, momentum!

And now we follow up with this year, seemingly losing that momentum before the harder part of our schedule even hits.

We can go two ways. A couple upsets, beat Coastal and Clemson and have a pretty decent year, with a nice bowl. Lose to the teams favored against us, and we dont qualify for a bowl.

The first choice settles us into what you said about "up and down and slightly over .500". The second starts to resemble random results, changing fortunes on the way the wind is blowing. And us still talking about a coach learning the job going into year 6.

 

[Piscis]

Do we though?

The first couple years were tough but he managed. He was learning on the job, and being average.

The year 3 has the schizophrenic results of floundering, then getting pummeled by UF, only to follow it up with the two excellent wins. Momentum, finally. But no, we lose the bowl. Then follow that up with a losing season.

Then the improbable year last year. Again, woo hoo, momentum!

And now we follow up with this year, seemingly losing that momentum before the harder part of our schedule even hits.

We can go two ways. A couple upsets, beat Coastal and Clemson and have a pretty decent year, with a nice bowl. Lose to the teams favored against us, and we dont qualify for a bowl.

The first choice settles us into what you said about "up and down and slightly over .500". The second starts to resemble random results, changing fortunes on the way the wind is blowing. And us still talking about a coach learning the job going into year 6.

Last year's regular season record was smoke and mirrors. At least three of the teams we beat were nowhere near as good when we played them as people thought they were going to be to start the season. aTm, OU and Clemson were really not very good last season and the Missouri win was very improbable (9 out of 10 times, we lose that game).

I think we find 3 more wins this season to end 6-6 and go to a crap bowl game. Luckily for Beamer, that record will fill gamecock fans with optimism and he will be secure in his job.

 

[Gamecock Jacque]

Last year's regular season record was smoke and mirrors. At least three of the teams we beat were nowhere near as good when we played them as people thought they were going to be to start the season. aTm, OU and Clemson were really not very good last season and the Missouri win was very improbable (9 out of 10 times, we lose that game).

I think we find 3 more wins this season to end 6-6 and go to a crap bowl game. Luckily for Beamer, that record will fill gamecock fans with optimism and he will be secure in his job.

He's got to please more than the fans now. He has a boss.

 

[SouthernBelly]

You're right -- That doesn't make much sense.

If he was ripping up Conference USA, you might be able to make a vague comparison -- but that's not the case.

It's a tale of two cities.

Coaching can scale. The conference he is coaching in isn’t the point.

 

[kidrobinski]

He's got to please more than the fans now. He has a boss.

Who the pseudo fans will have on the hot seat next year because Beamer is still here. And round and round she goes…

 

[Piscis]

Who the pseudo fans will have on the hot seat next year because Beamer is still here. And round and round she goes…

The AD is never popular at any school. People think the AD is sitting in his office pouring over the results and records of the various teams. In reality, the AD is mostly looking at the financials. If on field results were critical, Arkansas would have fired Pittman several years ago.

 

[kidrobinski]

The AD is never popular at any school. People think the AD is sitting in his office pouring over the results and records of the various teams. In reality, the AD is mostly looking at the financials. If on field results were critical, Arkansas would have fired Pittman several years ago.

Not so. We learn on here that our new AD is a boss that does not tolerate memes or beams. Financials are secondary is the current mindset.

 

[Jasper Woodcock]

We have a guy that started his career as a head coach in the SEC at a program with zero built-in advantages during the time when NIL and the portal also evolved and the league added Texas and Oklahoma that actually wants to be here and has actually done fairly well in spite of fans that for some reason think we would be competing in the upper echelon were it not for him. That’s what we have.

He will learn and grow. It will be to our benefit. It’s a new song.

Otherwise, I believe Belichick is available. Second verse, same as the first.

"He will learn and grow." What nonsense! He has been an SEC HC for five seasons. Training day was over long ago. Stop spewing idiocy.

 

[kidrobinski]

"He will learn and grow." What nonsense! He has been an SEC HC for five seasons. Training day was over long ago. Stop spewing idiocy.

Aren’t you the sweetest.

 

[Lurker123]

Training day was over long ago.

Unfortunately its not. Training day SHOULD have been at a smaller school, or as a coordinator. Not at an SEC program.

And after 5 years, it sucks to be saying we're still waiting for him to learn.

 

[KingWard]

I'm glad he's "fading" someplace else.

 

[Sandlapper 1]

13-1 his first year at Liberty. 8-4 last year. Sitting at 2-4 this year with wins over Maine (who also lost to some school called Stonehill) and 1-5 UTEP.

Feels like he's trending the wrong direction.

I'd his window is closed.

 

[atlanta cock#]

We have a guy that started his career as a head coach in the SEC at a program with zero built-in advantages during the time when NIL and the portal also evolved and the league added Texas and Oklahoma that actually wants to be here and has actually done fairly well in spite of fans that for some reason think we would be competing in the upper echelon were it not for him. That’s what we have.

He will learn and grow. It will be to our benefit. It’s a new song.

Otherwise, I believe Belichick is available. Second verse, same as the first.

Disagree. Strongly. Beams has peaked. Plus his stubbornness is a personality flaw.