Is it certain that the NCAA is going to let Masoli play?
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If the ratio of "crime to punsihment" is proportional, and if the NCAA treats Masoli like they did Sidney, then Masoli's kids will be cleared to play before he is cleared.
Let's not forget that Ole Miss is exploiting a loophole and the NCAA knows it. I wouldn't be suprised if the NCAA kept putting Masoli's paperwork at the bottom of the pile until mid-season.
He has another year of eligibility left, it is not a loophole. He isn't taking BYU online courses to gain eligibility he has graduated, has another year to play and entered grad school after graduating from Oregon. Had he not been kicked off the team he would have stayed at Oregon and taken Basket-weaving 101 and nothing else and still would have been eligible to play for them.
The loop hole is that he found a school willing to take him and THEN figured out what Graduate Program Ole Miss offered that Oregon didn't. If you aren't aware, that is the only way a graduate student can be eligible. Sugar coat it all you want, Ole Miss IS using a rule in a way that it was not intended for (the definition of a loophole, btw). The rule was intended to allow a student to continue on the career path they desired and if that meant they had to go to another school to continue their studies they wouldn't be punished and made ineligible.
I don't think Ole Miss is doing something other schools wouldn't do if they could (I'm talking about the loophole not the whole criminal thing) BUT the NCAA knows the grad school thing is a sham and are well within their right to drag it out a while as a form of punishment.
Edit to add - I am not saying whether the NCAA will or won't drag this out, all I am saying is I could see them doing it because as asinine as some of their decisions are, they aren't stupid. They and everyone else in the country know why Masoli is Majoring in Parks and Recreation and it has nothing to do with wanting to be a Ranger.
I don't think Ole Miss is doing something other schools wouldn't do if they could (I'm talking about the loophole not the whole criminal thing) BUT the NCAA knows the grad school thing is a sham and are well within their right to drag it out a while as a form of punishment.
Edit to add - I am not saying whether the NCAA will or won't drag this out, all I am saying is I could see them doing it because as asinine as some of their decisions are, they aren't stupid. They and everyone else in the country know why Masoli is Majoring in Parks and Recreation and it has nothing to do with wanting to be a Ranger.
The guy that transferred from Utah to Florida with Urban Meyer wasn't doing it because Florida had studies he wanted to pursue that he couldn't do anywhere else.
Eniel Polynice isn't transferring this year for the graduate programs at Seton Hall.
It's a rule the NCAA made, and it's exploited naturally like every other rule.
Masoli's situation is a little bit different in that he actually has 2 years of eligibility left to play 1, so technically he could still redshirt this year and play the next, not that he'd do that. It's also a little bit different in that he's not on scholarship like most graduate transfers the NCAA deals with.
All that said, it sounds like based on when the paperwork was submitted, yesterday was the earliest they could've ruled on his case. It wouldn't shock me for the NCAA to drag its feet on this, but at the same time, I don't know that they want to set a precedent in making decisions based on off-field legal issues.
Eniel Polynice isn't transferring this year for the graduate programs at Seton Hall.
It's a rule the NCAA made, and it's exploited naturally like every other rule.
Masoli's situation is a little bit different in that he actually has 2 years of eligibility left to play 1, so technically he could still redshirt this year and play the next, not that he'd do that. It's also a little bit different in that he's not on scholarship like most graduate transfers the NCAA deals with.
All that said, it sounds like based on when the paperwork was submitted, yesterday was the earliest they could've ruled on his case. It wouldn't shock me for the NCAA to drag its feet on this, but at the same time, I don't know that they want to set a precedent in making decisions based on off-field legal issues.
the way to close it isn't to just arbitrarily not apply it in this one case just because of off-field incidents. The way to close it is to change the rule and apply the new rule going forward. No matter how big of a thug anyone thinks Masoli is (and I do think he's a thug) or how wrong it seems that he should be able to be kicked off one team and land immediately at a new one, I can't remember the NCAA ever getting involved in off-field legal issues, and I don't see them starting down that path now. He'll be ruled eligible for this season. The only question is will he have to wait until mid-September to get the ruling.
I was under the impression that Tulane had cut his major post-Katrina which is why he transferred. I guess it's similar but it's not really the same thing.615dawg said:
Tulane dropped his major (i.e. the major he was ALREADY majoring in), so he was allowed to transfer. This is a little different because Masoli (and other graduates) are able to shop around for a different graduate program to study (that may have little to do with their undergraduate major). I think the biggest distaste about the whole situation is that a player who has had 2 run-ins with the police and gotten kicked off his team is going to be able to transfer and play immediately. I don't think it's right that he's able to do that, but the rules allow it and I don't have any huge problem with UM following the rules.
would be to grant players transferring for grad school an extra year of eligibility, but still require them to sit out the first year. Most grad school programs are two years anyway, and if you can have a guy sit out a transfer year on scholarship and then play the second year, it works out.
Most grad school transfers are guys who redshirted their first year and finished school in 4 years, which means they don't have a redshirt year left to burn if they transfer. Grant them a 6th year, but still only allow them to play a 4th actual season of eligibility.
It would eliminate most players that are transferring just for athletic purposes, which is what probably 90% of the cases actually are. Eniel Polynice left us because he was disgruntled with Kennedy, not because he wanted to pursue a grad school degree we didn't offer. The rule just let him transfer without sitting out this season. Without the rule, his options would've been to stay and play his last year under Kennedy or go pro. His career was over.
The NCAA isn't about academics though, so I don't know that I see the rule changing, and like you said pat, I don't see them making some exception here for Masoli. I don't think legal issue punishment is a can of worms they want to open, so I'm assuming his waiver will be passed sometime this week.
Most grad school transfers are guys who redshirted their first year and finished school in 4 years, which means they don't have a redshirt year left to burn if they transfer. Grant them a 6th year, but still only allow them to play a 4th actual season of eligibility.
It would eliminate most players that are transferring just for athletic purposes, which is what probably 90% of the cases actually are. Eniel Polynice left us because he was disgruntled with Kennedy, not because he wanted to pursue a grad school degree we didn't offer. The rule just let him transfer without sitting out this season. Without the rule, his options would've been to stay and play his last year under Kennedy or go pro. His career was over.
The NCAA isn't about academics though, so I don't know that I see the rule changing, and like you said pat, I don't see them making some exception here for Masoli. I don't think legal issue punishment is a can of worms they want to open, so I'm assuming his waiver will be passed sometime this week.
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I have no problem with anything that benefits State, directly or indirectly. I would also have no problem with Ole Miss failing at something we succeeded in. Example being, Ducre cleared, Masoli not cleared. Once again, hooray for me 17 you.
Of course, we all know Masoli will play this season.
I don't have a real problem with the transfer rule at all because there really are cases where athletes may want to change majors. No one would care if it was a no name second string lineman from Northwestern that was doing it.
My main issuewould be the possibility ofplayers transferring to avoid punishments handed down by their former team. For example, if a school suspends a player for a year then that suspension should be in force even if he transfers. I realizethis does notnecessarily apply in Masoli's case.
On a side note: It would suck if Masoli gets cleared ASAP by the NCAA while we have had Sidney miss a whole year plus nine games, Riek miss 9 games, Bost possibly miss the entire season, Fant get suspended for buying tires, etc.
My main issuewould be the possibility ofplayers transferring to avoid punishments handed down by their former team. For example, if a school suspends a player for a year then that suspension should be in force even if he transfers. I realizethis does notnecessarily apply in Masoli's case.
On a side note: It would suck if Masoli gets cleared ASAP by the NCAA while we have had Sidney miss a whole year plus nine games, Riek miss 9 games, Bost possibly miss the entire season, Fant get suspended for buying tires, etc.
The NCAA isn't about academics but every once in a while they like to make a statement that would give the appearance they still are concerned for the 'scholar athlete'. Who knows what the NCAA will do, just look at the Sidney case. They obviously were not going to let the guy play basketball but took nearly an entire year to make up their mind. I'm sure dealing with Don Jackson just pissed them off and made things worse but the NCAA does not seem to follow rational thought.
I think Masoli plays but I bet it is not until game 3, they'll drag their feet to show that they 'review' cases seriously. Just my guess.
I think Masoli plays but I bet it is not until game 3, they'll drag their feet to show that they 'review' cases seriously. Just my guess.
Hanmudog said:
It happens to us too. Goldie had to miss the last half of his senior season. Powe had to sit out a year even after finally being cleared.
If you want my personal opinion, I wish they'd separate the academics and athletics and just call it what it is, a training ground for professional sports. If guys have the grades to be in school and choose to pursue a degree, they have that option. If they want to just play football and try to get to the next level, they have that option too, even if they can't pass a single course. Just drop the sham that is the student athlete and let it be what it is. It'll never happen that way, but I get sick of having to watch players pretend to be students when their only motivation for being there is to try to get to the league.
It's not that way for every one of them, but it is for a good number, so I say let them have it that way. Also, I don't like how you have to be able to pass college level courses to be able to gain entrance to the NFL. Your path is a whole lot more difficult if you can't pass classes, and I don't think that's fair. What college Algebra has to do with being able to block and tackle I don't know. If you have the athletic ability but not the academic ability, there should be an easier path for you to follow to take advantage of it without forcing you to maintain a minimum academic level.
and could've played at their former school if they wanted to. I can't remember if Masoli was suspended or if he was simply kicked off the team. Either way, he wasn't playing this year for Oregon. You're telling me the guy from Utah wouldn't have played at Utah but did at Florida? And that Polynice wouldn't have played?
I have a slightly different question about the Masoli situation - the SEC likes to run a lot of promos about the student athletes and their " high character", i.c, tv commercials about them participating in good causes.<div>With that in mind, why shouldnt the SEC take a stand about athletes transferring into the conference who have criminal records and have been suspended, kicked out, etc. by their previous school? And this would possibly apply to Cam Newton as well as Masoli. It would not apply to Ducre, since as far as I know he was never involved in any criminal activity.</div>
Let's just hope the NCAA gets them confused with MSU and make them wait until mid-December to clear him.
Greg Paulus was cleared at the Cuse last year, but Masoli has a few more character issues than he did.
Greg Paulus was cleared at the Cuse last year, but Masoli has a few more character issues than he did.
Ducre didn't get dismissed from Tulane after multiple run-ins with the law. Masoli did. <div>615dawg said:
</div><div>Also, Ducre's already-established major was dropped after a natural disaster, so he was allowed to find another school that offered his major. He utilized the rule the way it was designed to be.</div><div>This is not the same as Masoli searching for a school to transfer and then finding a grad program that his old school didn't have.</div><div>
</div><div>Some of our fans make me sick, too. You're one of them.</div>
undermining a university's decision to punish a convicted felon using a loophole that allows him to actually play football instead of sitting out suspended for his actions than going after a few players that wanted to transfer and play 1 year of sports at a different school.
Sutterkane woya said:
I think that's an issue the NCAA would specifically like to avoid. I may be wrong on that, and they may drag their feet, but they won't come out and say they are dragging their feet for that reason. That's a precedent I don't see the NCAA wanting to set, stepping in on discipline issues. They don't want to turn into the NFL where they have to hand out suspensions for players.
was going to put them in a position to compete with Bama and Florida , Slive would have knocked this whole deal in the head long ago. Otherwise Masoli is just a guy who can help an SEC team that had a real chance of not going to a bowl bring in some additional bowl revenue.
because by that same token they don't want to basically trump a university's decision on someone because the disciplinary used a loophole in NCAA rules to go play elsewhere even though they are suspended at the former institution.
he's following the transfer rules appropriately. the rules don't consider (nor should they) WHY you are transferring...just that you are.patdog said: