Is MSU in a regional win or lose Thursday?
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That opens up ops for LSU and Mississippi.....and I believe if they are both in....then we are definitely in.
Soooo...if AU wins then they will be in. And that might mean Mississippi will be out. hate it for em.
Obviously it moves them one or two at large spots closer. But it helps another 20 or so teams also.
Georgia's RPI is higher than ours. Auburn's is not. Georgia staying home helps us. I'm not so sure about Auburn.
UM's RPI is 41 in Boyds and 42 in Warren Nolan. Effectively they are 39 and 40 respectively if UGA and Auburn don't get in.
It's not as if the SEC is guaranteed 8 spots and UM automatically slides into one.
I think MSU in as a very low #2 seed. If geography and avoiding conference matchups comes into play in making the pieces fit we could drop to a high #3.
I think UM depends entirely on the results of the other tournaments. Most conference favorites need to win and the committee doesn't need to go fall in love with mid majors, Big 10 or northeast teams just to spread the wealth.
Georgia's RPI is higher than ours. Auburn's is not. Georgia staying home helps us. I'm not so sure about Auburn.
UM's RPI is 41 in Boyds and 42 in Warren Nolan. Effectively they are 39 and 40 respectively if UGA and Auburn don't get in.
It's not as if the SEC is guaranteed 8 spots and UM automatically slides into one.
I think MSU in as a very low #2 seed. If geography and avoiding conference matchups comes into play in making the pieces fit we could drop to a high #3.
I think UM depends entirely on the results of the other tournaments. Most conference favorites need to win and the committee doesn't need to go fall in love with mid majors, Big 10 or northeast teams just to spread the wealth.
we will be 2 and que at Hoover and then 2 and que at a Regional.....
So I think we need to suck just a little less that Arkansas tomorrow AM and hope we get into a Regional where suckage is considered a level playing field.
Then....who knows. MSU might actually not only satisfy those who just wanted Hoover an/or a Regional...they may actually show they deserve to participate in a minimal suckage sort of way.
So I think we need to suck just a little less that Arkansas tomorrow AM and hope we get into a Regional where suckage is considered a level playing field.
Then....who knows. MSU might actually not only satisfy those who just wanted Hoover an/or a Regional...they may actually show they deserve to participate in a minimal suckage sort of way.
it would be a travesty. What are they penalizing us for? Not beating Florida and Arkansas assuming we don't beat Arkansas?
You're in. Your RPI is high enough that you're in. I still think you'll likely get a 2 seed either way, though you could slip to a 3 seed. I don't really see much difference between a 2 or 3 seed really though, so that's not a big deal.
Recent history shows that the cut off line for the last at large bid usually falls right around the cut off between the 3 and 4 seed line, so a good estimate is that the Top 48 or so teams will get bids.
MSU is clearly Top 48. Our resume appears to be Top 48 when you start looking at the teams below us that could have an argument to be ahead of us.
The biggest obstacle for us was going to be the committee not wanting 10 out of 12 SEC teams in the field. I know they say that stuff doesn't matter, but they weren't going to invite 10 SEC teams. Either Georgia or Auburn is out, possibly both if Georgia wins today but fails to win 2 more after that. We are the 10th best resume in the league, but we're now going to be the 8th or 9th best eligible resume. That's a big difference.
Like I said, it doesn't really matter to MSU. You're in, and you're either a 2 or 3 seed, and that's really not a huge difference. What Auburn and Georgia do has little to do with your standing.
Recent history shows that the cut off line for the last at large bid usually falls right around the cut off between the 3 and 4 seed line, so a good estimate is that the Top 48 or so teams will get bids.
MSU is clearly Top 48. Our resume appears to be Top 48 when you start looking at the teams below us that could have an argument to be ahead of us.
The biggest obstacle for us was going to be the committee not wanting 10 out of 12 SEC teams in the field. I know they say that stuff doesn't matter, but they weren't going to invite 10 SEC teams. Either Georgia or Auburn is out, possibly both if Georgia wins today but fails to win 2 more after that. We are the 10th best resume in the league, but we're now going to be the 8th or 9th best eligible resume. That's a big difference.
Like I said, it doesn't really matter to MSU. You're in, and you're either a 2 or 3 seed, and that's really not a huge difference. What Auburn and Georgia do has little to do with your standing.
we will have to play our best.. I had hoped we could win the first 2 and then let chips fall where they may. Beating Florida and winner of Ark/Bama would have given major consideration to a higher 2 seed, which might have gotten us sent to a 9-16 host site. Now, I see us as a low 2 seed or high 3, being sent to a Top 8 site in BF Egypt.....or North Carolina, whichever is further away.
#23 according to Warren Nolan. I expect Stetson's to go down-- they're at #22 but expected to win the A-Sun. Georgia is at #21 but is one win below .500.
They only seed the Top 8 for a reason.
Past that, they do match ups primarily geographically. They don't pair the No. 9 one seed regional with the 8 seed or the 16 with the 1 seed. They pair them geographically. Same goes for 2 and 3 seeds.
Good examples are some of the extremely weak regional draws we got in 2006 and 2007 when we were hosting as a non-national seed. If they were seeding based on strength, that wouldn't have happened. They seed based on travel as much as possible.
I can't remember the criteria, but there is a certain mileage where they determine a trip is a plane flight, not a bus trip, and if they're going to have to send you on a plane flight, they don't care if it's to Clemson or Fullerton, it's all the same. If you're on the 2 seed line, it really doesn't matter that much how strong of a 2 seed you are. Same for a 3 seed. In some cases, you might get a more favorable draw as a 3 seed than a 2 seed even.
Past that, they do match ups primarily geographically. They don't pair the No. 9 one seed regional with the 8 seed or the 16 with the 1 seed. They pair them geographically. Same goes for 2 and 3 seeds.
Good examples are some of the extremely weak regional draws we got in 2006 and 2007 when we were hosting as a non-national seed. If they were seeding based on strength, that wouldn't have happened. They seed based on travel as much as possible.
I can't remember the criteria, but there is a certain mileage where they determine a trip is a plane flight, not a bus trip, and if they're going to have to send you on a plane flight, they don't care if it's to Clemson or Fullerton, it's all the same. If you're on the 2 seed line, it really doesn't matter that much how strong of a 2 seed you are. Same for a 3 seed. In some cases, you might get a more favorable draw as a 3 seed than a 2 seed even.