there have been many comments on this and other boards about how weak our bb schedule is...and the numbers do not lie. It is weak. However, at the time this schedule was set how were we to know that UCLA would be poor? Teams like Rider, Western Ky, St Bonny, Depaul, W Ky, and Old Dominion all have historically had successes in college basketball. How can we know if a team will be good when we schedule them? When we scheduled Houston for football everyone figured that would be a fairly competitive game but a win for our football Dogs. Well, it didn't work out that way did it? W Virginia was scheduled and then became a national power in football. It is a hard thing to do. Like others, I wish we could play more of the marquee teams but those guys are not exactly foaming at the mouth to play home/home with us.Five years ago if MSU had scheduled North Carolina for a game this season everyone would have been loving it but today it would be versus just an average ACC team, nothing that special and not a significant strength builder. Hopefully, Byrne and Stans will successfully work toward building our schedule so that it can be stronger. We do not need it to sell more tickets apparently as The Hump is usually sold out; however, it would put more butts in the seats and it might land our butts in the NCAA tourney in a much easier fashion.</p>
Is our basketball scheduling really that bad?
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there have been many comments on this and other boards about how weak our bb schedule is...and the numbers do not lie. It is weak. However, at the time this schedule was set how were we to know that UCLA would be poor? Teams like Rider, Western Ky, St Bonny, Depaul, W Ky, and Old Dominion all have historically had successes in college basketball. How can we know if a team will be good when we schedule them? When we scheduled Houston for football everyone figured that would be a fairly competitive game but a win for our football Dogs. Well, it didn't work out that way did it? W Virginia was scheduled and then became a national power in football. It is a hard thing to do. Like others, I wish we could play more of the marquee teams but those guys are not exactly foaming at the mouth to play home/home with us.Five years ago if MSU had scheduled North Carolina for a game this season everyone would have been loving it but today it would be versus just an average ACC team, nothing that special and not a significant strength builder. Hopefully, Byrne and Stans will successfully work toward building our schedule so that it can be stronger. We do not need it to sell more tickets apparently as The Hump is usually sold out; however, it would put more butts in the seats and it might land our butts in the NCAA tourney in a much easier fashion.</p>
its pretty easy to look at a team's previous year and look at who they are losing to determine if they will be good.
Im not saying its the perfect solution, but you can use some common sense in scheduling.
I will say that despite what UCLA was losing, I never thought Howlin would have had a season like this one. And there is nothng we could do about Depaul which was a terrible decision by Espn in the first place. 16 teams in the Big East to choose from and they chose number 16.
Im not saying its the perfect solution, but you can use some common sense in scheduling.
I will say that despite what UCLA was losing, I never thought Howlin would have had a season like this one. And there is nothng we could do about Depaul which was a terrible decision by Espn in the first place. 16 teams in the Big East to choose from and they chose number 16.
Our strength of schedule is #107. The second worst in the SEC is #76 and the SEC average is #47. So yes, our schedule is terrible.
It's a pretty damn safe bet that Bethune Cookman, Pan American, MS Valley and Centenary are going to suck when you schedule them.
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without those we really wouldn't care about scheduling because we'd probably be a lock in the tourney. I think Richmond and Old Dominion are OK, are they not? And Depaul and UCLA are good names if nothing else. I just wonder what people want us to do, we don't have the name power of a Kentucky or Memphis a few years agoto go out and just schedule whoever we want.
I mean, you have to play the teams in your conference. If the conference isn't strong, then what can you really do? The Big East teams have high SOS because their conference is bad ***.
I mean, you have to play the teams in your conference. If the conference isn't strong, then what can you really do? The Big East teams have high SOS because their conference is bad ***.
which is what some of us have said all along. We beat those teams, it doesn't matter who we schedule. We would be 22-6 or 23-5 right now.
wouldn't it also be pretty damn safe to schedule Pfeiffer, Findley, Coastal Carolina, Radford, and Pennsylvania...all scheduled by Duke? Or would it not be pretty damn safe to schedule Fort Hays State, Pitt State, Central Ark, TN Tech, and Radford...all scheduled by Kansas? The point is: everyone has patsies on the schedule...it must happen; however, the challenge is to find the teams who can add to strength of schedule over the long haul of an entire season.
all that crap about scheduling who we want- is just that- crap.
Over the last 10 years, we are 10th in the SEC in SOS. That's a choice- not bad luck or money or anything else.
We are 11th in the SEC this season in SOS
We have the money to get teams to Starkville- we profited over 2 million in basketball last year...and that is even with giving all the concessions away to local groups.
We don't have name power of Kentucky, and we don't need it to get a decent schedule. We schedule like we do because we choose to do it that way.
Over the last 10 years, we are 10th in the SEC in SOS. That's a choice- not bad luck or money or anything else.
We are 11th in the SEC this season in SOS
We have the money to get teams to Starkville- we profited over 2 million in basketball last year...and that is even with giving all the concessions away to local groups.
We don't have name power of Kentucky, and we don't need it to get a decent schedule. We schedule like we do because we choose to do it that way.
The problem with our schedule is not the Richmonds, Riders, Old Dominions....it's the teams that are 200+ in the RPI. If we could replace those teams with someone like UAB or South Alabama, or something similar, it'd make our schedule and RPI look way much better. I don't think we need to ***** ourselves out to play big name teams on the road all the time, but drop the really ****** teams and replace them with just ****** teams.
Kansas played six teams in the current RPI top 75 in their NON CONFERENCE SCHEDULE. They played three teams with an RPI higher than 200 in the non conference. The add NINE MORE top 75 games in the Big 12.
Duke played eight teams in the current RPI top 75 in their NON CONFERENCE SCHEDULE. They played three teams with an RPI higher than 200 in the non conference. The add NINE MORE top 75 games in the ACC.
Mississippi State, on the other hand, played three teams in the current top 125 (only two in the top 75). We played SIX non conference teams with RPIs higher than 200. We added only six top 75 games in the SEC.
Duke played eight teams in the current RPI top 75 in their NON CONFERENCE SCHEDULE. They played three teams with an RPI higher than 200 in the non conference. The add NINE MORE top 75 games in the ACC.
Mississippi State, on the other hand, played three teams in the current top 125 (only two in the top 75). We played SIX non conference teams with RPIs higher than 200. We added only six top 75 games in the SEC.
Richmond and Old Dominion were our only chances for what is considered a good win by the selection committee. Hopefully we will play a few solid teams in that Hawaii tournament next year and have the chance to get some good wins.</p>
it matters little, rpi or no rpi, our SOS if we win. just look at UM football. they can play and beat juco level teams and still get all the hype in the world to holster recruiting, etc. bottomline: win ALL conconf games. especially those you "should" win.
I'm looking back and the best 4 (with a quick lookover) that I got are:
U of Miami
Clempson
Oklahoma (back when they had Sampson and were good)
Cincinatti
Even Syracuse played their away game vs us at MSG. Nobody wants to come play at the hump peaches.
U of Miami
Clempson
Oklahoma (back when they had Sampson and were good)
Cincinatti
Even Syracuse played their away game vs us at MSG. Nobody wants to come play at the hump peaches.
are all anyone is asking for. No one thinks Uconn or Duke are coming Starkville.
And if we are saying "no one will come to starkville", seems like there are probably other teams that are consistently in the top 100 saying the same thing about getting a home game.
I will say that its not fair for Coach34 to say we have this surplus of $2 mill floating around. I really doubt thats the case.
And if we are saying "no one will come to starkville", seems like there are probably other teams that are consistently in the top 100 saying the same thing about getting a home game.
I will say that its not fair for Coach34 to say we have this surplus of $2 mill floating around. I really doubt thats the case.
are all people are asking for- Duke and UConn arent coming to Starkville. But we can get more home and homes with teams like Virginia, Rhode Island, Texas A&M, Tulsa, and the like. And less games with Valley, Belmont, Texas Pan Am, and the other countless **** teams we play every year
So what if we have to go on the road in the beginning to play a big time basketball school? It worked out for us with UCLA this year. It gets us on national TV more. It gets our name out there more. It gets us talked about more.
and 8Dog all I said was that we had a 2.1 million surplus for last season in men's basketball. And we did. Now whether we use it to improve basketball even more and to pay for women's soccer, I don't know. But our men's basketball program brought in 2 million last year. Thats a fact
So what if we have to go on the road in the beginning to play a big time basketball school? It worked out for us with UCLA this year. It gets us on national TV more. It gets our name out there more. It gets us talked about more.
and 8Dog all I said was that we had a 2.1 million surplus for last season in men's basketball. And we did. Now whether we use it to improve basketball even more and to pay for women's soccer, I don't know. But our men's basketball program brought in 2 million last year. Thats a fact
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Xavier, BYU... We played that home and home with Oklahoma because supposedly Williams and Sampson got to buddy up after our Sweet 16 appearance.
I agree with 8Dog. Nobody is asking for UConn or UNC but damn let's be a little creative. I think Stansbury has gotten used to blaming it on lack of interest, small crowds, and the holidays.
We've got Memphis and UAB within 2 hours of the Hump. Stop being scared to play them. Pick up a Miami or a Florida State. They are in the middle of football country just like we are and are playing in front of tiny November home crowds. We've played games home and away with Saint Mary's and Santa Clara. Why not go for the king of that conference in Gonzaga? We've played UW Milwaukee home and away. Why not Marquette or even Wisconsin?
Just a few examples. We've traveled and have had teams travel in from great distances to play at the Hump. But instead of playing the sisters of the poor in that region, how about we pick up one of the big boys for once?
and could be the veryreason why we dont get it. Who schedules our basketball season? Isnt it Scott Strickland? I know Stansbury probably has a say-so in who we play , but I think Strickland does the non conference scheduling . It's a shame that commissioner Slive had a meeting with the coaches and personel with SEC nonconference scheduling this year, and we go out and lay an egg.
That tournament in Hawaii should help next year with Florida State, Butler, Baylor, Utah, San Diego, Hawaii, and a soon to be named PAC 10 school all in it. If we could schedule a good home-and-home game with another quality regional opponent (UAB, Memphis, Georgia Tech)that should be a pretty good slate for next year
That tournament in Hawaii should help next year with Florida State, Butler, Baylor, Utah, San Diego, Hawaii, and a soon to be named PAC 10 school all in it. If we could schedule a good home-and-home game with another quality regional opponent (UAB, Memphis, Georgia Tech)that should be a pretty good slate for next year
I agree with you about some of those like TAM and Tulsa, but Rhode Island would be a hit or miss. They haven't been very good in past years and haven't been to the tournament in a while. They're a NIT regular in a minor conference. Belmont is just as good as they are. Belmont has been to the tourney more than they have in recent years.
Virginia's RPI this year is over 100.
Still, I agree with you. There are plenty of teams from decent conferences that we should try harder to get in here. Virginia Tech would be a good ACC school to schedule. I'd be fine with Nevada, Charlotte, and San Diego St too; all of those teams have had decent years in recent past and would be good schedule builders.
The endgame is that we simply need to play better in the OOC. If we beat the teams we were supposed to beat we aren't even having this argument.
Virginia's RPI this year is over 100.
Still, I agree with you. There are plenty of teams from decent conferences that we should try harder to get in here. Virginia Tech would be a good ACC school to schedule. I'd be fine with Nevada, Charlotte, and San Diego St too; all of those teams have had decent years in recent past and would be good schedule builders.
The endgame is that we simply need to play better in the OOC. If we beat the teams we were supposed to beat we aren't even having this argument.
if you schedule a Virginia and they aren't good, you're still better off than if you scheduled a SE Louisiana. Cause even a bad Virginia team is still #113 right now (or in our case even a bad UCLA is still #116 and even a terrible DePaul is at still #185). All of those are betterthan SELA's #211.8Dog said:
The sad part is that we are talking about basketball where at minimum you have 13 OOC games per year. There's plenty of room for Stansbury's cream puffs, but damn mix in some substance.
I think part of the problem is that Stans tried to play that "national" schedule in 06-07 after getting chastised about weak *** scheduling and it kept him out of the tourney.
Hell out of 13 games, play 7 or 8 creampuffs, mix in a few of the teams being discussed. And since he concedes the Christmas break anyway why not go take a beating at a traditional power. A loss to a Texas, Georgetown, Duke, etc sure would look better than a 30 point win over 300 RPI School played in the dump in Jackson.
I think part of the problem is that Stans tried to play that "national" schedule in 06-07 after getting chastised about weak *** scheduling and it kept him out of the tourney.
Hell out of 13 games, play 7 or 8 creampuffs, mix in a few of the teams being discussed. And since he concedes the Christmas break anyway why not go take a beating at a traditional power. A loss to a Texas, Georgetown, Duke, etc sure would look better than a 30 point win over 300 RPI School played in the dump in Jackson.
(And this is just my MSU insecurity speaking) I worry that a 19-12 MSU team with an RPI of say 32 and an SOS of 15 would get left out because of a lack of name recognition. Seems like the only schools that ever get in with bad records are traditional powers that have down years. Again, that is just my perception.