Is Trey Sneed better than Kareem Walker?

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To use one of our favorite terms, Walker has been dinged the whole season. If he stays healthy and applies himself I could see him dominating in college. I could also see him never being productive. His natural skill set is off the charts.
 

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Was Savon better than Paul James?

While star rankings are usually fairly accurate every single year their are 4 and 5 stars busts on a lot of teams.
 
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To use one of our favorite terms, Walker has been dinged the whole season. If he stays healthy and applies himself I could see him dominating in college. I could also see him never being productive. His natural skill set is off the charts.
If he can't stay healthy playing a HS schedule it sends up red flags in my mind....I damn sure don't see him toughing it out in the B1G....production speaks louder than ''potential'' to me.
 

NickyNewark51

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Generally speaking Fl Football is better than NJ Football so who knows.
I'm not sure it was so much better until us Yanks started moving down there after the ''Disney'' development in the late 60s early 70s...my dad said it was an empty swamp outside Miami full of humidity snakes and mosquitos in the late 40s early 50s unfit for civilized habitation when i was a kid growing up in Belleville in the 60s..no ''U'' or ''FSU'' on TV back then...Heck I wasn't sure they played FB there as a teen....Now with over 20m and us Yanks settling there they should produce more/better FB...
 
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Section124

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If he can't stay healthy playing a HS schedule it sends up red flags in my mind....I damn sure don't see him toughing it out in the B1G....production speaks louder than ''potential'' to me.
I agree with this. He may be dinged this year but I really haven't been impressed over the last few years either. He hasn't looked that great against any of the Bergen parochials. I agree he looks good and has great potential.
 
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NickyNewark51

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Was Savon better than Paul James?

While star rankings are usually fairly accurate every single year their are 4 and 5 stars busts on a lot of teams.
Anyone remember Berkely Hutchinson....I'm not even sure though if he qualified...i think he joined the military.
 

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Anyone remember Berkely Hutchinson....I'm not even sure though if he qualified...i think he joined the military.

Berkley Hutchinson did indeed play here for I believe two years. He was pretty good but then joined the military near his senior year.
 

Section124

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For those who thinks he is overrated, would be disappointed if he changed his mind and committed here?
I would be happy because he has home run speed (one cut and he is gone) and is the #1 RB in not just the state. None of the current RB's fit that category. However, after Savon, I just wouldn't predict greatness until we saw it on the field.
 
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Walker vs. Sneed:

Walker

strengths are downhill runner with one cut ability. Has the "IT" factor on the HS level. Explosive first step. Good speed for his size.

weaknesses are lack of size to lower body which could be a problem on the next level as far as running through tackles. Not elusive in tight areas. Better suited to run behind an established OL. lacks elite speed.

Sneed

strengths are elusive in small areas. stronger run who can break one on one tackles. Explosive first 20 yards. Good speed to size ratio.

weaknesses lacks elite speed. May make too many cuts behind the line.

Overall Walker is at his best when he can run behind a powerful line that controls the LOS. Spread type of schemes take away from his strengths. Sneed appears to be able to play both pro style or spread type of offenses. IMO I don't think Walker is the best back (5 star) in the nation, but he's still an elite back of 4 star quality. IMO Sneed is undervalued by the recruiting services. He is at least a high 3 or maybe even a 4 star. Either back is great to have, but first you have to consider the style of offense your team plays.
 
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I'm not sure it was so much better until us Yanks started moving down there after the ''Disney'' development in the late 60s early 70s...my dad said it was an empty swamp outside Miami full of humidity snakes and mosquitos in the late 40s early 50s unfit for civilized habitation when i was a kid growing up in Belleville in the 60s..no ''U'' or ''FSU'' on TV back then...Heck I wasn't sure they played FB there as a teen....Now with over 20m and us Yanks settling there they should produce more/better FB...

No, but there was sure as heck a FAMU. Which people tend to ignore for some reason, sadly. The guys that are at FSU, Florida and The U now ALL ended up one one team back then.
 
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No, but there was sure as heck a FAMU. Which people tend to ignore for some reason, sadly. The guys that are at FSU, Florida and The U now ALL ended up one one team back then.
Weren't they called ''Rattlers or ''Moccaisons'' back then or now....plus back then ''59''-'''65'' the Fla population 3-5 mil..''just guessing'' was negligible...less than Connecticut i think. So where would this talent have drawn from. The post Disney influx of Northeasteners and Midwesterners brought our blue collar FB culture with them along with a population boom. In the day Army and Fordham were national powers and ND always thrived on Catholic eastern kids...
 

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Didn't Shakim end up at UConn during Orlavsky's tenure there after leaving BC.
I think he was there years after Orlovsky. He went to BC, transferred to UConn, then played a year as a grad transfer back at BC.

Orlovsky has been out of college like 10 years now.
 

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Walker vs. Sneed:

Walker

strengths are downhill runner with one cut ability. Has the "IT" factor on the HS level. Explosive first step. Good speed for his size.

weaknesses are lack of size to lower body which could be a problem on the next level as far as running through tackles. Not elusive in tight areas. Better suited to run behind an established OL. lacks elite speed.

Sneed

strengths are elusive in small areas. stronger run who can break one on one tackles. Explosive first 20 yards. Good speed to size ratio.

weaknesses lacks elite speed. May make too many cuts behind the line.

Overall Walker is at his best when he can run behind a powerful line that controls the LOS. Spread type of schemes take away from his strengths. Sneed appears to be able to play both pro style or spread type of offenses. IMO I don't think Walker is the best back (5 star) in the nation, but he's still an elite back of 4 star quality. IMO Sneed is undervalued by the recruiting services. He is at least a high 3 or maybe even a 4 star. Either back is great to have, but first you have to consider the style of offense your team plays.
And as you pointed out it doesn't hurt if you have a dominating O line.
 

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I've never been as high on Walker as some. He's a good prospect but have never seen on film what makes if the number one back in the country.
 

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well most of their "stars" are still young in college and Shakim Phillips is in the NFL
He is. Didn't he bounce around from BC to Conn to BC? He didn't do so well the first time at BC.

The DT that went to Miami is doing fine since he was a starter as a true freshmen. He was a surprise.
 

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I've never been as high on Walker as some. He's a good prospect but have never seen on film what makes if the number one back in the country.
Yes i find it hard seeing ANY 5 star that can't dominate their opposition....I never saw him in person but a couple posters said he had trouble with North Jersey parochials....now if he could dominate them...yes i'm impressed. The guarantees drop with 4 stars etc..etc..Its hard or me to believe more than 8-10 kids a yr nationally are that good or ''can't miss'' kids deserving of a fifth star ...I mean like Herschel Walker/Eric Dickerson great..
 

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Weren't they called ''Rattlers or ''Moccaisons'' back then or now....plus back then ''59''-'''65'' the Fla population 3-5 mil..''just guessing'' was negligible...less than Connecticut i think. So where would this talent have drawn from. The post Disney influx of Northeasteners and Midwesterners brought our blue collar FB culture with them along with a population boom. In the day Army and Fordham were national powers and ND always thrived on Catholic eastern kids...

Correct; they're the Rattlers now. Not sure if it was different back in the day. And yes, you're right; the overall population was much smaller before the mass influx of Northeastern folks. But FAMU won six black national titles in a dozen years from 1950-61. One coach put 42 guys in the NFL, including Hall of Famer Bob Hayes. So at least with regards to the black talent pool, while it was much smaller, so was the amount of schools fishing in it (essentially one, until the white school decided to act right). Basically take 90% of the black talent from that talent-rich state, and let one team pick and choose. That was FAMU.
 
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Who cares. Flood has paralyzed this program. Neither Trey Sneed or Kareem Walker would make a difference at this point. We need a leader. We need a capable head coach
 

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Correct; they're the Rattlers now. Not sure if it was different back in the day. And yes, you're right; the overall population was much smaller before the mass influx of Northeastern folks. But FAMU won six black national titles in a dozen years from 1950-61. One coach put 42 guys in the NFL, including Hall of Famer Bob Hayes. So at least with regards to the black talent pool, while it was much smaller, so was the amount of schools fishing in it (essentially one, until the white school decided to act right). Basically take 90% of the black talent from that talent-rich state, and let one team pick and choose. That was FAMU.
I'm happy for you but the fact remains that if other than a few obscure folks who knew if the ''tree'' fell in the woods...did it.....that's for ....YOU too answer......For you're sake I hope a few more...as we all deserve to be happy.
 

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Correct; they're the Rattlers now. Not sure if it was different back in the day. And yes, you're right; the overall population was much smaller before the mass influx of Northeastern folks. But FAMU won six black national titles in a dozen years from 1950-61. One coach put 42 guys in the NFL, including Hall of Famer Bob Hayes. So at least with regards to the black talent pool, while it was much smaller, so was the amount of schools fishing in it (essentially one, until the white school decided to act right). Basically take 90% of the black talent from that talent-rich state, and let one team pick and choose. That was FAMU.
I like you Mr B Lewis and wish FAMU luck....black talent changed the game and RU always welcomed it well before southern schools...think Paul Robeson here and in the 20's NJ and up North near Canada school Cuse in the late 50's/early 60's NY.....with Jim Brown from L.I.,NY....well before most others..so please remember us...as the ''Advanced'' state during John Birch.
 

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Correct; they're the Rattlers now. Not sure if it was different back in the day. And yes, you're right; the overall population was much smaller before the mass influx of Northeastern folks. But FAMU won six black national titles in a dozen years from 1950-61. One coach put 42 guys in the NFL, including Hall of Famer Bob Hayes. So at least with regards to the black talent pool, while it was much smaller, so was the amount of schools fishing in it (essentially one, until the white school decided to act right). Basically take 90% of the black talent from that talent-rich state, and let one team pick and choose. That was FAMU.
That coach must have been of ''John Robinson'' stuff previously of Grambling'' fame..