Isaiah Stewart makes his choice shortly.
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That's definitely a fair point about our recent recruiting run. But I was hoping we'd stay at that level at least until K retired. ;-)
I certainly don't mean to imply the ship is sinking, that's just silly. From my perspective, missing out on these guys isn't positive from a zero-sum game perspective. But we could still add maybe Hurt, maybe a reclassified player or a grad transfer.
I know we'll put good teams on the court every year. I just want us to put the best possible teams on the court, and I think that's more likely when we get the recruits we're after. No more, no less.
The recruiting for next year's team was always going to be dicey. Heading into the season, and continuing now, there is a lot of uncertainty about next year's roster. Sure, the big 3 are certs to be OAD. After that? AOC is an incredibly talented player. Who will be a junior. Bolden and Javin are quality bigs who will be seniors. Tre was not at all certain to be OAD at the onset of the season, and still might not be. Probably will be, but recruits don't like uncertainty. Now, it turns out that Jack White is a player who will get burn next year. Ditto the talented Joey Baker who is spending a year in the weight room while practicing against studs.
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I can count on 1 hand the number of recruits in the current class that are certain to start next year vs or over our returning players. And there are only a few more after that who are certain to play big roles, even if it was off the bench.
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Of the certain starters, you have Vernon Carey (check), Cole Anthony (asterix to be explained below), Wiseman (no chance), McDaniels (no chance), and...…...That might be it. There are about 10-15 more guys likely to play big minutes, even if off the bench, and we got 2 of them Boogie and Wendell Moore. So of the 20ish guys likely to play big minutes, we got 3 of them. Given that only a few of those 20ish guys really considered Duke, getting 3 wasn't bad.
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For the last few seasons, we've had huge holes on the roster, with no real candidates likely to fill them. We have a decent roster next year, and that is without adding any recruits. If Tre and both bigs return, we'd be a top 25 team. Not a title contender, probably, but top 25 ain't bad. It is certainly enough talent to deter all but the best. Boogie Ellis rolled the dice on Tre being OAD, and that will likely pay off for him. But we didn't need but one wing, and Moore was it. Vernon Carey is simply too good not to start and excel over anyone. McDaniels and Wiseman were never going to Duke. Stewart, whom I like, would have done great at Duke without VC. With VC? The pressure for pt would be tight, and he'd have a shorter leash than many young bigs like.
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Cole Anthony is a sublime player, and likely to be the best Frosh, if not NPOY, next year. If Tre returns, Cole would have started along side Tre. But Tre would be the point, and Cole wants the ball in his hands. Now that Tre looks likely to be OAD (though that still isn't certain), Cole would have been a great fit. But I'm not sure he ever wanted Duke, or any college team, so there is that.
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We have too many good players next year, and this class is too weak, for us to get many recruits. Nearly every expert is alluding to Duke signing a monster class NEXT year, so we are back to basics.
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In addition to the roster being somewhat unfavorable to frosh next year (save ultra elite ones), this year's HS class simply didn't have a lot of the types of kids that Duke tends to like and favor, and vice versa. Them's the breaks. There aren't any elite teams next year, unless things break perfectly for UNC (which I don't see) so even being a pretty good team will position us well for March.
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I can count on 1 hand the number of recruits in the current class that are certain to start next year vs or over our returning players. And there are only a few more after that who are certain to play big roles, even if it was off the bench.
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Of the certain starters, you have Vernon Carey (check), Cole Anthony (asterix to be explained below), Wiseman (no chance), McDaniels (no chance), and...…...That might be it. There are about 10-15 more guys likely to play big minutes, even if off the bench, and we got 2 of them Boogie and Wendell Moore. So of the 20ish guys likely to play big minutes, we got 3 of them. Given that only a few of those 20ish guys really considered Duke, getting 3 wasn't bad.
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For the last few seasons, we've had huge holes on the roster, with no real candidates likely to fill them. We have a decent roster next year, and that is without adding any recruits. If Tre and both bigs return, we'd be a top 25 team. Not a title contender, probably, but top 25 ain't bad. It is certainly enough talent to deter all but the best. Boogie Ellis rolled the dice on Tre being OAD, and that will likely pay off for him. But we didn't need but one wing, and Moore was it. Vernon Carey is simply too good not to start and excel over anyone. McDaniels and Wiseman were never going to Duke. Stewart, whom I like, would have done great at Duke without VC. With VC? The pressure for pt would be tight, and he'd have a shorter leash than many young bigs like.
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Cole Anthony is a sublime player, and likely to be the best Frosh, if not NPOY, next year. If Tre returns, Cole would have started along side Tre. But Tre would be the point, and Cole wants the ball in his hands. Now that Tre looks likely to be OAD (though that still isn't certain), Cole would have been a great fit. But I'm not sure he ever wanted Duke, or any college team, so there is that.
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We have too many good players next year, and this class is too weak, for us to get many recruits. Nearly every expert is alluding to Duke signing a monster class NEXT year, so we are back to basics.
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In addition to the roster being somewhat unfavorable to frosh next year (save ultra elite ones), this year's HS class simply didn't have a lot of the types of kids that Duke tends to like and favor, and vice versa. Them's the breaks. There aren't any elite teams next year, unless things break perfectly for UNC (which I don't see) so even being a pretty good team will position us well for March.
Am I the only one that thinks K gets exactly who he (really) wants? And enjoying this once in a lifetime team put together and not expecting another one? 
Am I the only one that thinks K gets exactly who he (really) wants? And enjoying this once in a lifetime team put together and not expecting another one?
UK and unc cheater u get they want. They just don't want the guys Duke gets. I think that's kind of good because it seems to turn out to be who Coach K wanted anyway I wonder what guru gary - 7 thinks. OFC
I have a hard time comprehended you sometimes OF
Makes sense to me. You see UK and unc cheater u fans claim when they lose a top recruit to Duke they tend to imply or feel that recruit wasn't a UK or a unc cheater u type player anyway and if they were the type player that UK or unc cheater u ten that recruit would have went to UK or unc cheater u. Then with that in mind then your statement is true. Coach K knows and understands this so when UK or unc cheater u doesn't recruit these players then Coach K gets who he wants and that being UK and unc cheater u rejects which has turned out pretty good don't you think. Ipsy I don't see how I can make myself any clearer.
OFCI have a hard time comprehended you sometimes OF
I’m sure no one has ever told you that.
He’s from New York where he had a relationship with Mike Hopkins who was an assistant at Cuse who now is head coach at Washington
The guy that was suppose to replace Boeheim after he announced he was retiring in 3 years...4 years ago.
Ok that makes sense. I can respect that. Hopefully he does better than the aforementioned duo above.
Honestly, UNC's recruiting is a dumpster fire right now. They have missed on the majority of their major targets for next year's class, notable are Mann and Green who were both considered major UNC leans. I am not sure Anthony goes there either. Could end up at Oregon.
They could be really bad next year if White and Little both enter the draft. Like NIT bad.
There were some folks around IS that seemed to like UW. A lot. Not in a they were paid way, just that they really liked the UW coach. IS to UW is great for this coach. In a horrific Pac-12, which could be a 1-3 bid league next year, IS could put UW near the top of the conf, with a NCAAT bid, which would get the coach some breathing room.
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Also, Bam Adebayo. Who is the best comp for IS at this moment. IS is a little more skilled, and slightly less athletic, but they are very similar. And those guys thrive in highlights and the stat sheet. Not that the stat line blows you away, but it is promising, especially when coupled with some plays that highlight the athletic gifts of the player in question.
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If, when evaluating Bam Adebayo, you only saw highlights and stat lines, it would be easy to justify taking him near the top 10. Same with IS likely. Because in doing that you see the promise and upside, which is considerable. Watching every game, and having it picked apart ruthlessly, is less kind to these kinds of players. For all the great plays and upside, there are truly horrific mistakes and failures. Great blocks and dunks are side by side with badly blown assignments that highlight how far the player has to go. And getting picked around 15 vs 25 can be worth about 5 million dollars over the total life of a contract. Letting a guy like IS work in relative obscurity might help. Not with GMs or coaches, who evaluate on the basis of what the player can do, but with fans that have to be sold on the promise of a player. Raw bigs who lack elite size, and have effectively no perimeter skills, are tough sells. If that player will defend and rebound, then he'll likely be a solid player in 3+ years, but that doesn't blow wind up the skirts of the ticket buying public.
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Plus, IS will look better in the tissue soft Pac 12 as opposed to the more rugged Big 12/SEC, or the more skilled and nuanced teams of the ACC.
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I just hoped he's been dropped from the group text.