He is getting reprimanded by the inventor of Scrabble it would seem.
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I heard $2500 once and that was from an administrator at the school. So a few thousand seems accurate for a PSU title contender / national champ.
Although I will give you solid credit for a creative response and an even better gif, in Scrabble all you need to know is how to spell a word. You don’t have to have ANY clue what that word means….just like Nashville Hawk in this exchange!He is getting reprimanded by the inventor of Scrabble it would seem.
Although I will give you solid credit for a creative response and an even better gif, in Scrabble all you need to know is how to spell a word. You don’t have to have ANY clue what that word means….just like Nashville Hawk in this exchange!
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He beats a point to death. I get the don't rush thing because two more coaches that don't catch Cael will put you further behind. And who's the next great coach? But if you wait too long you can miss out. It's a tough decision and maybe right now there is no great decision. PSU was floundering when Cael came there and for certain reasons it was an attractive destination.
Now they're the at the top. So what do you do to get back there? Well you're going to need a new coach but it has to be the right one. PSU's path was easy, they're were maybe as good as Iowa is now in their great years.
Iowa has the history, money, and a great fan base which make it an attractive job, but you need the right guy. So who's the guy now? I've seen the names tossed around and IMO Maybe Nolf is the best. People have mentioned Zain, but maybe he's happy at his wall street job ? Who knows?
If I had to speculate on PSU's next guy I'm thinking Messenbrink maybe, but who knows. I think Sanderson stays for app 7-8 years at least due to his son.
I get that I can come off as a dick when I dig my feet into the ground. This topic is a pretty big deal to me simply because I hated the DT as an immediate, guaranteed savior mentality.
Now, I will openly admit that his pairing with a billionaire along with looser compliance has him already looking better than I expected. But, I am absolutely certain he is NOWHERE near PSU, nor will he be any time soon.
I may very well have dug too deep into the minutiae, but that was where I took umbrage. I do NOT see him getting anywhere close to PSU any time soon and that is a 2 parter for me since so many Brands detractors are trying to use him at OkState as some winning argument that he should have been somehow miraculously stolen by Iowa instead.
I stand 100% firm that there was no way in hell he was going to Iowa then and he would never have hit the ground running like he did at OkState. He wouldn’t have remotely been walking into comparable situations and I am confident that he would have still chose OkState once he was able to truly assess both situations…
I think you can say that with a lot less words and btw I agree with you and your premise.
I don’t like ambiguity. Much like texting, where tone can be easily misconstrued, it is very easy to twist a sentence or two vs 3 or 4paragraphs, that, if spoken in a direct, verbal conversation would be less than 30 seconds…but, I get that social media has limited most people’s attention spans to that level…
Iron or MSU?
For anyone that finds it interesting, here’s Ben Askren on his thoughts on replacing Brands with David Taylor… from 12 years ago. Very telling how everything he said applies today.
Ben Askren on Taylor to Iowa
But what does Askren know about wrestling?
Ben Askren on Taylor to Iowa
But what does Askren know about wrestling?
Lmfao. That isn’t the correct question, whatsoever. The question is what does Ben Askren know about the inner workings of a program he has openly bashed since then?
He doesn’t need to know the inner workings, he can use his eyes and his brains- all things most of us use.
I dare you to say you understand the dynamics of collegiate wrestling more than Ben Askren.
Please tell me when he was ever a coach at that level? Head coach? Other than obviously being way more successful as a wrestler than me at that level, he certainly isn’t more experienced at dealing with administrators, donors, fans, scheduling and a list that can continue for several pages…
Do you know how many great wrestlers I know that absolutely suck at coaching? Do you know how many have absolutely no clue about how to deal with administration?
and there it is folks.
Hell, I am not even saying I know what’s better for an Iowa than Askren. But, acting like a guy that has openly bagged on Iowa for a long time is somehow the perfect guy to go to for making them better is beyond laughable.
IF Askren was given the head coaching job at IOWA and had B1G $$$$ backing him. He would be DANGEROUS there is no doubt!!! OBVIOUSLY him always trashing on the HAWKS does not lead one to believe he would be the best fit!?!?!? but he knows how to coach, he knows the FUNK, he is well followed in the surrounding area etc.....
That being said, guys like NOLF, DAKE, BURROUGHS ALL could bring in a fresh new excitement to the program. Without the CASH, you could bring back GABLE and it would NOT matter!!!
I once again am sorry, but I do NOT understand exactly what in hell is going on there!?!? Everything that the program has going for it, and still not making the strides needed!!!!
That being said, guys like NOLF, DAKE, BURROUGHS ALL could bring in a fresh new excitement to the program. Without the CASH, you could bring back GABLE and it would NOT matter!!!
I once again am sorry, but I do NOT understand exactly what in hell is going on there!?!? Everything that the program has going for it, and still not making the strides needed!!!!
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Have no clue who you are or your experience level. But Askren has 2 years as a volunteer assistant at mizzou,2 years as assistant at ASU, Wisconsin RTC coach experience and has developed one of if not the most successful youth clubs in the nation, not in Pennsylvania or ohio but Wisconsin.. I'm sure he's got a good amount of experience fundraising, dealing with donors, administrator etc. Is it a ton of experience? No, but I don't see how one could use experience to write him off as a candidate for the Iowa job. Now, his rhetoric towards Iowa I understand being off putting for sure. I don't think anyone, aside from Cael, would meet the stringent qualifications you have for the Iowa job. Maybe that shows they shouldn't move on. Maybe it shows they have to make a hard decision: Continue with the very good status quo, or upset the applecart and take a risk knowing that if it fails you at least tried to get back on top.
A very solid play on words. Well done!Do you have any *** left to laugh off?
I wasn’t really saying he couldn’t be a good coach. I think it is too late now, but, at one time, he almost certainly would have been…my point was acting like he is even close to a good source to go to when asking what is best for Iowa.
In fact, with his track record towards Iowa, I would think he is even less likely a reasonable source to cite him as if it is anywhere near gospel…
I live 4.5 hours away from Iowa city. Bought season tickets for 5 years up until last year. Used to make most of the home duals, we had an absolute blast making the trips. But I’m not spending that time and money to watch a bunch of 1 takedown/OT matches.There again, we're comparing everyone's standards to Iowa's standards. I like our standards and I'm not willing to give them up just yet. And if we bring back the excitement people will come. Hell, I remember 4 or 5 years ago taking 12 hours to drive back to Nashville because of a huge *** snow storm. Knowing that the storm was coming I still made the trip for those two plus precious hours in CHA. People love Hawks wrestling; they just need the excitement back.
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At least you get that you are actually a dick. That's a start anyway.
That’s quite the straw man argument. Who saw DT as a Savior? Do you think that’s really a thing? Some of us just saw him as a guy with potential to get the program back to being competitive. That doesn’t mean he was seen as a savior. That’s your way of knocking anyone seen as a possible replacement, maybe,
The case rests its state…
and there it is folks.
Not remotely what I said. But, I am completely content with you feeling that way. In fact, you fall right into the category where I WANT you to feel that way! Thank you for letting me know I haven’t been wasting my time!
Complete and utter BS. Go back and read. There are plenty that felt and still feel that way.
Also, look up the definition of savior. You should have done that before you posted this drivel. You basically put the definition into your response. Even then, have I ever directly even argued with you over DT? Maybe you have been lighter on DT than others but plenty wanted to move heaven and earth to get him and are now using him at OkState to continue that stance.
But, hey, here is a good straw man for you: Maybe you should just stick to smoking weed!
I always thought if Askren was to find a spot as a head coach he would make some noise. With the results of AWA in college it’s apparent he can either coach, recruit or put together a staff that can. Highly unlikely he’s able to after a double lung transplant. Not a very long life expectancy for that procedure. His brothers name has been bantered about however and hasn’t been quite as outspoken as Ben.
Someday (when that is going to be is the whole debate here) I think Nolf as head coach and Grandpa Mike as an assistant would be the home run hire for Iowa, but nobody gives two ***** what I think so there is that! I don't hate Askren as HWC coach, but that ain't happening so it is a mute point.
Could have stopped at 10 words…
Choose them better? It's there in f*ing English for all to see. I actually went back and read my words just to ensure I wasn't losing my mind and that you were a tad full of sh*t. Yeah, I can use all that diplomatic verbiage like you're throwing out there, but I prefer coming straight at you. BLUF: You took my words on more than one occasion, twisted them to suit your discussion, and then came at me with a bunch of bullsh*t. But I've moved on and am good now.
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Although I will give you solid credit for a creative response and an even better gif, in Scrabble all you need to know is how to spell a word. You don’t have to have ANY clue what that word means….just like Nashville Hawk in this exchange!
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I concur. I don't see Cael going until there's a reason to go...and right now he's beating all takers rather easily and accomplishing things that were never accomplished before. He'd be crazy to leave. As for potentials for Iowa, I have no knowledge of personalities, etc., but Nolf seems like a good choice and perhaps guys like Dake and even Askren could fit the bill. But again, I don't know who hates whom, who did what to whom, etc. I just want energy, excitement, someone young enough to relate to young recruits, and someone who can teach the goods. Not the boring stuff that we watch in 7 matches each dual but the real stuff...turns, TFs, and falls.
See now I cannot disagree with anything you just said, except I do think that within three years OSU will be throwing pucnhes with PSU for the title. Their recruiting is just too good right now not to be competitive in three years IMO. And I'm not saying PSU will take a step back anytime soon, just the opposite. But I do think DT will close the gap to it being at least competivie in three years.
I think with that group and the crew he has graduating HS this year - and the one or two transfers you know will be wanting to join the party - things will get intersting in three years in my very humble opinion. But truly who knows.
My friend, it's like politics...politicians on both sides bash each other while they're running to be their party's rep for Senate, House, Pres, etc., and then when it's time to play nice everyone for the most part does what's needed to support the person who won the battle.
I get it and to me you are valid in your thinking. Things are already very interesting down there. When Hamiti beat Levi and KOT and then Captain America took down Gable it was hard not to notice somebody in Stillwater knows what they are doing. It is going to be fun to watch it unfold.