It feels like we’re falling into the hands of our enemies...
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Looting is NOT OK by any standard.
Church attendance policy is mixed, most states allow church attendance, some have distancing and number restrictions similar to what they have for restaurants.
Protests are outdoors - outdoor activity is much less likely to spread the virus and most protesters are wearing masks. They should still social distance but you're comparing a very high risk venue to a relatively low risk one.
Nobody is FOR crime, nobody is FOR anyone not being able to do what they want to do. Everyone is being effected in some way or another, but arguing and finger pointing is counter-productive, I think that's what the OP was trying to illustrate. We need a more positive and unified approach and everyone working to do their part.
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Look up the book “The Geopolitical Future of Russia”. It was written back in the late 90’s as a manifesto on how Russia could regain its position as the dominant superpower. It describes much of what has occurred in the world over the last 6-8 years to a T.
There is no doubt in my mind that much of the discord in this country is being sewn through fake social media accounts run by Russians. They also likely played a big hand in pushing Brexit.
The internal enemy is just as destructive as Russia and China and will make us more vulnerable to external threats.
Also many of the people who hate our way of life end up in our Congress.
Most of the immigrants I have come in contact with are among the most patriotic people of all. They greatly appreciate the things most of us take for granted because where they come from they didn't have them. Not saying that we don't have a bad apple or two coming in, but on balance immigrants are a huge net plus IMO.
The vast majority are a net plus. Others need vetting.
We will never be the old America as long as we act selfish and hate each other.
If we had to do recycling drives, a la WW2, we would yell at each other for their wasteful lifestyles, said the Germans weren’t that bad, and blamed Mexicans for taking our metal away.
America is “We the people”. We the people can’t even figure out how to contain a fairly controllable pandemic.
Russians pay bounties in our troops. We draw red lines In Syria and then don’t enforce them.
Tell me what Eisenhower, Kennedy or Reagan would have done if that happened in their watch.
Our elected officials are bad...both sides....but we chose them. That is on us.
We may disagree on abortion, taxes, masks, whatever, but let’s be Americans first.
Stop watching divisive news, get PAC money out of politicians pockets, pass term limits, restore checks and balances (no more exec orders-either side) and DEMAND INTEGRITY and RESULTS from our elected officials. Sensible legislation, governed toward the middle.
America’s success was 100% American. Our failures are 100% party over America.
My son just joined the Army. Based on what I have seen recently, America doesn’t deserve him. Storming state capitals with machine guns? Burning our cities to the ground?
Let’s Stop the bickering. Let’s earn the sacrifice that Our military are willing to make for their COUNTRY and CONSTITUTION .
If we had to do recycling drives, a la WW2, we would yell at each other for their wasteful lifestyles, said the Germans weren’t that bad, and blamed Mexicans for taking our metal away.
America is “We the people”. We the people can’t even figure out how to contain a fairly controllable pandemic.
Russians pay bounties in our troops. We draw red lines In Syria and then don’t enforce them.
Tell me what Eisenhower, Kennedy or Reagan would have done if that happened in their watch.
Our elected officials are bad...both sides....but we chose them. That is on us.
We may disagree on abortion, taxes, masks, whatever, but let’s be Americans first.
Stop watching divisive news, get PAC money out of politicians pockets, pass term limits, restore checks and balances (no more exec orders-either side) and DEMAND INTEGRITY and RESULTS from our elected officials. Sensible legislation, governed toward the middle.
America’s success was 100% American. Our failures are 100% party over America.
My son just joined the Army. Based on what I have seen recently, America doesn’t deserve him. Storming state capitals with machine guns? Burning our cities to the ground?
Let’s Stop the bickering. Let’s earn the sacrifice that Our military are willing to make for their COUNTRY and CONSTITUTION .
Or as professors in our colleges.
This is pretty much irrelevant. Just because you or I haven't come in contact with someone or something has absolutely nothing to do with what is actually happening. I can say most all people I have come in contact with feel for or against any topic you want to pick - whether it be race, religion, politics or sports team affiliation - and the response will be this is what's called stereotyping.
I will give you an example of what I mean. You said in a post 3 replies earlier, and I quote "Protests are outdoors - outdoor activity is much less likely to spread the virus and most protesters are wearing masks." Well my reply to that could easily be the pictures of protests I've seen, people are arm-to-arm, no masks and screaming and yelling where more particles are expectorated from person to person. That's not saying I'm right and you are wrong. As far as football games go and I'm talking about fan participation masks can be required and you attendance depends on following the rules and it's outside as well.
You have to look at a much broader area than most of us ever do. This is what the media thrives on. Picking and choosing what to prioritize. It's much better for them when there is controversy of some kind.
I agree data driven statistic are much more reliable than anecdotal evidence so I looked up crimes rates for immigrants vs. natural born citizens and immigrants have a lower crime rate. And I'm not talking about illegal immigrants, illegal is illegal period, I'm talking about people that follow the rules to get here:
https://www.sentencingproject.org/w.../Immigration-and-Public-Safety-Fact-Sheet.pdf
So perhaps we aren't as systemically racist as we are told we are then?
I'm talking about people like the Tsarnaev brothers. We need to do a better job of vetting those types.
I'm also a big believer of "When in Rome do as the Romans". If I'm in another country I respect their culture & traditions. If you come to America, come ready to be American.
I was trying to make a point that just because we may not be observing something doesn't mean that it isn't/didn't happen. It seems we as people in general are really only affected by what happens to us, or is pertaining to us individually. It doesn't really matter what any graph or survey shows or any article says until it directly affects us, to become "real" to any individual person.
Also some criminals are patriotic people whether they are immigrant or not. In fact truth be told, we are all descendants of immigrants. Like Bill Murray said in the movie Stripes "we're all Americans. That means our forefathers were kicked out of every decent country"
There is quite a bit of truth in what you said Phil_The_Music. As I was trying to say - and probably not very well or at least as I was trying to - was that if everyone looked at what was going on within their day-to-day lives instead of what the media tries yto force us into believing, there probably isn't as big an divide as reported. However that doesn't sell newspapers or generate web clicks.
that’s just it, they don’t want to assimilate anymore. At one time immigrants wanted to be more American than natural born Americans so they could fit in and be accepted. Now you look at them, wave their old country flags, refuse to speak American(English) refuse to adapt to American culture, then call Americans racist if we don’t accept their cultural beliefs.
When I was in foreign countries, I respected their beliefs and laws, even if I thought a few were strange. It wasn’t up to me t judge their culture. But they come here and judge mine and tell me I have to accept theirs because they immigrated here. No I don’t. I didn’t ask them to come here. If you don’t want to be an American take ur a$$ right back to whatever jacka$$ country you came from.
Nikita and Ivan Koloff were an awesome tag team.
Nailed it. Care about your family, neighbor, neighborhood, city, county, state, and country.
Stop of the political bull ****... Just start caring...
I’m glad we won’t be the old America. Have any of you ever really read history?
Not disagreeing that many immigrants are very appreciative of being part of our country but there are more then a couple of bad apples coming into our country today.
I'm glad we won't be the old U.S.S.R.- sorry to disappoint you. Not even your beloved Bernie would go that far.
This kind of attitude is why we’ve had such a disastrous response to the virus
Actually the failure of not having this attitude is the bigger problem. Jmo
WHAT WERE MISSING IS GOOD OLE AMERICAN VALUES AND JESUS!!!!!
What should the response have been?
Lockdowns...didn't work and still aren't working. Economies crushed thanks to liberal strangleholds.
Masks...weren't needed or required, then then are needed, and now they are mandated and they still aren't working.
So?
“But unless you are a frontline healthcare worker, this study does not have much relevance to the precautions you should be taking on campus or elsewhere. Remember, since the virus is spread through respiratory droplets, and since people are most contagious in the 48 hours before symptom onset, our cloth face coverings are meant to protect other people, not ourselves. And there is steadily accumulating evidence that cloth masks perform that function well, by containing respiratory droplets before they can be expelled into the air.”
The above is from MIT medical
https://medical.mit.edu/covid-19-updates/2020/07/do-cloth-masks-work
Below is Johns Hopkins
https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/hea.../coronavirus-face-masks-what-you-need-to-know
..and your boy says he believes in wearing them:
https://www.foxbusiness.com/lifestyle/how-face-masks-work
Granted I live in a small community so it may be different other places but I have to disagree with you. There has been a significantly greater number of people wearing mask in public in my town but the yet the numbers have increased even more. I don't think the mask help as much as the social distancing because when everything opened up is when cases here started increasing. With that said I don't think our economy could survive another extended shutdown.
Finally someone gets at the root. When your intelligentsia moves from love of country to hatred of country, you get exactly what we’re seeing.
Ive been surprised by how many people base their decisions off of emotion rather than logic.
That is typically the left based on my observations.
Those softies that don't want to get sick and risk dying. What a bunch of pu$$ies. The America you grew up in didn't elect idiots to run the country to own the libs. Republicans freaking cut their nose off to spite their face. 4 years ago I was a diehard conservative and I am a minister. I even voted for Trump. 4 years later I can't believe the party has basically set idle as he has trampled the Constitution, federal law, non-white Americans, and basic decency. I have prayed that God will either save him and change his heart or just get the polls to the point where his pride forces him to quit instead of face the thought of losing a landslide election. It is going to take years to repair the damage he has done to the American psyche.
The hardest part for me is watching fellow Christians jump through hoops to defend this guy. He doesn't fit any credible definition of leadership espoused in scripture. In fact he is basically anti everything found in scripture except for when people are defining what the ungodly look like. The problem now is his election has totally alienated the vast majority of people under the age of 40. I doubt Republicans win a Presidency in the next 20 years as Boomers start to die. The party sold their soul and will become irrelevant in anything but local elections and the Senate.
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