It Is The Bats. Period.

[Kojak.sixpack]

Thread after thread discussing why we aren't hitting. Why Cohens MSU teams don't hit like his Kentucky teams? Why do we brunt so much?

No one is hitting. The new bats suck. This is a different era of college baseball. Pitch with command/control. Scrape runs together. Eek out wins. End of story.

 

[Will James]

Boyd disagrees. Now more than ever we can't afford to give away outs.

 

[CadaverDawg]

Boyd disagrees. Now more than ever we can't afford to give away outs.

Does Boyd know that through 4 games, we out scored all but 4 of the 13 SEC teams?

 

[Will James]

Does Boyd know that through 4 games, we out scored all but 4 of the 13 SEC teams?

I thought it was past your bedtime and we are scoring twice as many runs/inning when we don't **** man on first no outs. Already in the young season my stat is being proved again

 

[CadaverDawg]

I thought it was past your bedtime and we are scoring twice as many runs/inning when we don't **** man on first no outs. Already in the young season my stat is being proved again

Because we do it more.

 

[Will James]

Because we do it more.

Not total runs genius. Runs per.. Quantity is not a factor

 

[missouridawg]

Didn't we win a game 2-0 in which both runs that scored were singling in a guy from second who was bnuted over from first? So what makes you think, that in that game, a game in which we showed we struggled to pick up their pitcher, that we were going to string together 2 hits to get that run in?

 

[Will James]

Didn't we win a game 2-0 in which both runs that scored were singling in a guy from second who was bnuted over from first? So what makes you think, that in that game, a game in which we showed we struggled to pick up their pitcher, that we were going to string together 2 hits to get that run in?

So why do it in the 2nd inning? We hadn't even been through the lineup yet.

Or the 5th when we used Henderson. That was only his 2nd AB and he got a hit in his first one.

Surely you aren't suggesting that if we don't score in the first inning that for the rest of the game to bnut a lead off runner over.

 

[skb124]

Because Cohen is a better baseball mind than you.

He knows his team better than you, and he understands the conditions of a game better than you. His approach worked to perfection Tuesday, and you are still complaining.

 

[Will James]

He knows his team better than you, and he understands the conditions of a game better than you. His approach worked to perfection Tuesday, and you are still complaining.

Tallahassee

 

[skb124]

Anaheim

I know other cities as well. Whats your point?

 

[KennyPowers2]

Tallahassee

Did the intense bastard bang your wife or something??? I can't imagine any other reason why someone would put so much effort into criticizing an msu baseball coach on a message board. Only thing I can figure or he pounded your mom and he is your daddy and you can't stand it

 

[johnson86-1]

He is proving the genius of Coach34.

Coach34 spent years repeating the same **** over and over and somehow was still tolerable, if only barely. This ****er has been here a couple of months as far as I can tell and somehow has managed to already be an intolerable **** by repeating the same thing over and over. He needs to spend time with Coach34 to learn how to properly be a repetitive ***.

 

[Will James]

I know other cities as well. Whats your point?

Final game of last season...

First inning we **** 2 over with Porter. Score ONE run! Awesome! It was the first inning and instead of building a lead after the first 2 hitters get on we play Cohenball, and get ONE.

2nd inning. First and Third NO OUTS, we try the cute squeeze to get Rea home. Guess what, Rea makes the first out of the inning at home 17ing plate. Wanna know why I didn't like Renfroe doing this vs Portland (and nearly popping his bnut for a double play) Its because of this ****. We have a man on 3rd and ZERO outs and we do that cute **** and get ZERO runs.

4th inning. We start the inning off with 3 consecutive singles (I thought everyone says we can't string hits) One was even by Britton! So after 3 singles which scored a run off of this guy we have 1st and 2nd no outs and what do we do? BNUT! After 3 hits in a row! What happens? We bnut, and Rea gets out at 3rd! After scoring a run with 3 hits we bnuted and got nothing else!

7th inning: man on 1st no outs we BNUT! And Frazier gets stranded at 2nd! NO RUNS In the bottom half of this inning Samford proceeds to score 2 runs (it is possible to get more than one run in an inning) by NOT BNUTING their leadoff man on 1st.

We lose by one run because of bnuting and trying to be cute playing Cohenball. Rea makes the first out of an inning at home 17ing plate and 3rd base!

This is what I mean by Tallahassee

 

[missouridawg]

Coach34 spent years repeating the same **** over and over and somehow was still tolerable, if only barely. This ****er has been here a couple of months as far as I can tell and somehow has managed to already be an intolerable **** by repeating the same thing over and over. He needs to spend time with Coach34 to learn how to properly be a repetitive ***.

The difference, however, is that Stansbury's ship was veering way off course and nothing was being done to corral it. It was apparent to several people, however there is a small subset of people who donate a lot of money who got their way for much longer than should've been allowed.

With Cohen, the ship is sailing along just fine and into the direction that 99.9% of our fan base wants it to be.

 

[Railin Jemmye]

The difference, however, is that Stansbury's ship was veering way off course and nothing was being done to corral it. It was apparent to several people, however there is a small subset of people who donate a lot of money who got their way for much longer than should've been allowed.

Agree and disagree. Stans is still here no matter what if he hadn't allowed Sidney to kill the team. Simply put, he kicked the wrong guy off the team after Wife Beater Incident. Yeah, the Cigar Boys like Stans, because Stans gave them a reason to like him....he won. And he likely goes to the tournament last year without Sidney and none of this matters. There's a very gray line there.

With Cohen, the ship is sailing along just fine and into the direction that 99.9% of our fan base wants it to be.

I agree that it's about the direction of the program, not the idiot posters. Coach34 and Will James are just some random losers. But they both do have a point. There was 'something' wrong in Stans program, albeit no one cares when we're winning. And there's also that small complaint many have with Cohen, and that's that he does some stupid **** sometimes offensively. Not necessarily just ****ing, either.

 

[LandArchDawg]

Question, what kind of bats did Samford use last year?*

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[Philly Dawg]

The Augie Garrido post proves one point, that this is a minor issue. The ****ing proclivity is something that even very good coaches may do, even if it doesn't give them the benefit they think it does. And the probability differences are very slight. I can accept the trade off when you have a very good coach that is doing so many other things very well, including bringing in the talent.

I think a similar point can be made about Stansbury. There were certainly reasons to criticize Stansbury. But I did feel that the trade off was acceptable because he was the only coach at MSU since the 60's to make us a consistently relevant program. We have no reasonable basis to expect that another coach we hire will be able to match, much less surpass, his results.

 

[Will James]

The Augie Garrido post proves one point, that this is a minor issue.

From a game to game standpoint yes it is a minor issue. But over the course of a season it could cost us a couple games (still minor without any context).

Hosting is incredibly important, especially to this team and we can't afford to give ANYTHING away because a couple of games could make the difference between hosting or not. Which would be a major issue.

 

[missouridawg]

Agree and disagree. Stans is still here no matter what if he hadn't allowed Sidney to kill the team. Simply put, he kicked the wrong guy off the team after Wife Beater Incident. Yeah, the Cigar Boys like Stans, because Stans gave them a reason to like him....he won. And he likely goes to the tournament last year without Sidney and none of this matters. There's a very gray line there.

I agree that it's about the direction of the program, not the idiot posters. Coach34 and Will James are just some random losers. But they both do have a point. There was 'something' wrong in Stans program, albeit no one cares when we're winning. And there's also that small complaint many have with Cohen, and that's that he does some stupid **** sometimes offensively. Not necessarily just ****ing, either.

Stansbury was in control of quite a few things that he chose not to address (improve RPI by scheduling tougher OOC, instilling discipline, practicing against zone defense pre-season, running more offensive sets, etc...). By 2009, I was pretty much done with him. I saw his ceiling in 2004 in person and saw him underachieve with every team he coached after that.

If Stansbury made the tournament 75% of the time with those issues, no one would be mad. But let's be honest, those issues are what prevented him from getting to the tournament in several of those years (which is the benchmark of a basketball team).

 

[missouridawg]

I believe they ed

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DeMarini bats... and I believe someone posted that most of the power hitting clubs in the nation used DeMarini bats (Stony Brook, for example).

I'm ok with the ****ing (for now) because we're winning a lot of games using that strategy. I've stated in previous posts that I was done with Stansbury in 2009 because he didn't address issues that he had a major control over...

If Cohen has the ability to get out of the Easton contract and switch us over to DeMarini and he's opting not to, I'd be very disappointed to hear that.

 

[LandArchDawg]

It's about contract pricing, and I think Stricklin would make that call. And DeMarini is held to the same regulations as Easton is. Correlation is not necessarily causation.

 

[Will James]

I'm ok with the ****ing (for now) because we're winning a lot of games using that strategy

Not in the NCAA's. Final game last year as my prime example

 

[skb124]

That was a poorly managed game. I agree with you on that one, and I feel like most everyone here would agree that it wasn't the best decision to **** with Rea as the lead runner. However, just because it didn't work doesn't mean Cohen is foolish for doing it. If we couldn't get one hit to score Frazier from second with 1 out, then what in the world makes you think we would have gotten two to score him from first with no outs? Assuming those two outs get out with him on first also, that means that porter AND the fifth batter that inning would need to get hits to score him.

Cohen has gotten where he is by playing his style, and we are a top 15 team in the nation because of it. Just calm down and enjoy it.

 

[Will James]

If we couldn't get one hit to score Frazier from second with 1 out, then what in the world makes you think we would have gotten two to score him from first with no outs?

The 4th inning

Cohen has gotten where he is by playing his style, and we are a top 15 team in the nation because of it

His style of recruiting, motivating, defense, pitching yes. We are not ranked because we bnut a lot, we are ranked in spite of it. Rankings also do not mean **** if you cant get in done in the NCAA's against teams that can and do hit

 

[skb124]

The 4th inning? That's not an answer. Even if it did work once, that means its a less of a chance of happening again since everything in baseball is less than 50%. You know, stats and all.

So again, Cohen has gotten where he is by playing his style, and we are a top 15 team in the nation because of it

 

[Will James]

The 4th inning? That's not an answer. Even if it did work once, that means its a less of a chance of happening again since everything in baseball is less than 50%. You know, stats and all.

So again, Cohen has gotten where he is by playing his style, and we are a top 15 team in the nation because of it

Ok instead of the 4th inning, I'll say..... the 2012 baseball season

 

[missouridawg]

Not in the NCAA's. Final game last year as my prime example

What does your stats say on us manufacturing runs and winning games?

For example, when we successfully manufactured at least one run in a game, what was our record? And don't give me any ******** about "we're 0-1 when it matters" just because we lost a game in Tallahassee.

B*nting, obviously, doesn't help produce big innings. Are we a big inning kind of team? You have to play with what you've got.

 

[Will James]

What does your stats say on us manufacturing runs and winning games?

You tell me. I know 20 out of 26 times we tried that play we failed to score a run. Why does everyone ask questions of me? Find the **** out yourselves then come slam it in my face
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If you can

 

[skb124]

Let me ask you this guy. Can you tell me with 100% certainty, that had we not ****ed those 26 times that we would have scored more than 6 times? Just answer that question yes or no. No need for any other response.

 

[Will James]

Let me ask you this guy. Can you tell me with 100% certainty, that had we not ****ed those 26 times that we would have scored more than 6 times? Just answer that question yes or no. No need for any other response.

Based on the only thing you can go on, our results, yes. Maybe they'll figure out how to travel to parallel universes so we can find out.

As it turns out the only thing we can go on is our stats and they say we would have done much better than those 6 measly runs. Just because I can't tell you with 100% certainty doesn't mean ****, what a stupid premise.

Can you tell me, with 100% certainty, that Rick Stansbury wouldn't have won the National Championship? No? Well then firing him was dumb. See, that was my example of illustrating absurdity by being absurd. That sentence was just as dumb as yours

 

[missouridawg]

Could you also tell us the following probabilities:

1) Probability of scoring 0 runs when executing the sac **** for the first out
2) Probability of scoring 1 runs when executing the sac b*nt for the first out
3) Probability of scoring 2 runs when executing the sac b*nt for the first out
4) Probability of scoring 3 runs when executing the sac b*nt for the first out
5) Probability of scoring more than 4 runs when executing the sac b*nt for the first out

And then

1) Probability of scoring 0 runs when the lead off batters on base and is not b*nted over
2) Probability of scoring 1 runs when the lead off batters on base and is not b*nted over
3) Probability of scoring 2 runs when the lead off batters on base and is not b*nted over
4) Probability of scoring 3 runs when the lead off batters on base and is not b*nted over
5) Probability of scoring more than 4 runs when the lead off batters on base and is not b*nted over

These are vital statistics in making this decision on "to-b*nt or not-to-b*nt".

 

[Will James]

Could you also tell us the following probabilities:

1) Probability of scoring 0 runs when executing the sac **** for the first out 77%
2) Probability of scoring 1 runs when executing the sac b*nt for the first out 23%
3) Probability of scoring 2 runs when executing the sac b*nt for the first out 0%
4) Probability of scoring 3 runs when executing the sac b*nt for the first out 0%
5) Probability of scoring more than 4 runs when executing the sac b*nt for the first out 0%

And then

1) Probability of scoring 0 runs when the lead off batters on base and is not b*nted over
2) Probability of scoring 1 runs when the lead off batters on base and is not b*nted over
3) Probability of scoring 2 runs when the lead off batters on base and is not b*nted over
4) Probability of scoring 3 runs when the lead off batters on base and is not b*nted over
5) Probability of scoring more than 4 runs when the lead off batters on base and is not b*nted over

These are vital statistics in making this decision on "to-b*nt or not-to-b*nt".

You. Tell. Me.

ETA I helped you out based on last year. Half the work is done

Actually its a slow day at work. Gimme a little bit and I'll have something for ya

 

[rabiddawg]

Will James is Mike Bianco, I think...




Or Ron Polk's trolling us on here.