for Memphis to receive a number one seed. Oklahoma and Pitt both go down. Both teams were considered for number one seeds.
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...but I don't think Memphis deserves a one. Their resume is pretty weak. The way they're playing, they might not even win their tournament.
The kicker is, if they lose in the CUSA title game to UAB or Tulsa, or if they lose to Houston today, they'll be a 3 seed.
If you haven't looked at their resume, you might want to. They've played a ton of teams in the 50-100 range of the RPI, but they've only played 6 games against the RPI Top 50, only 4 of which were against teams that are actually going to the NCAA tourney. So they could get a 1 seed despite the fact that they'll only be 2-2 against teams that are good enough to receive an at large tourney bid. It's a less than impressive resume. You have to credit them for not taking the bad loss, but they've survived for so long mainly on the fact that they haven't played anybody.
If you haven't looked at their resume, you might want to. They've played a ton of teams in the 50-100 range of the RPI, but they've only played 6 games against the RPI Top 50, only 4 of which were against teams that are actually going to the NCAA tourney. So they could get a 1 seed despite the fact that they'll only be 2-2 against teams that are good enough to receive an at large tourney bid. It's a less than impressive resume. You have to credit them for not taking the bad loss, but they've survived for so long mainly on the fact that they haven't played anybody.
'nother team. They are just that good. Nevermind the fact they're 2-3 against the only 5 good teams they've played all season. Evans is at the point now and they are simply unbeatable. It doesn't matter that they play a bunch of high school teams which make them look that way. We have this same conversation every year. This will be 3 or 4 Elite 8's in a row. And that doesn't have anything to do with the fact that they are usually a 1 or 2 seed because they usually finish something like 28-3 after beating all their high school competition.
You must not have seen them play this year. You don't know what you're talking about.
You must not have seen them play this year. You don't know what you're talking about.
you act like it is costing State a chance at a high seed. I agree that they do not deserve a #1 seed but is it really that big of a deal to you?
I am far from upset. Sorry I don't think your team is worthy of a 1 or 2 seed. I'm sorry if I hurt your feelings.</p>
I just think their schedule is a complete joke, and the couple of good teams they actually played this year, they lost 3 of 5 of those games, yet they are looking at another 1 or 2 seed. That is a complete joke.</p>
I just think their schedule is a complete joke, and the couple of good teams they actually played this year, they lost 3 of 5 of those games, yet they are looking at another 1 or 2 seed. That is a complete joke.</p>
That'll show emBriantheDawg said:
I love how you think that everyone who thinks Memphis has a good team is obviously a Memphis fan. They must be America's team
You also think they should be ranked in the 15-20 range. That is more of a joke than them being a #1 seed
and again, their resume backs that up too. 2-3 against their only good competition. That is just outstanding.
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And since you're a little slow today, it's a 'complete' joke they will get a 1 or 2 seed. But then again, Tyreke Evans is the best point guard in the Nation and I haven't seen them play all year. So what do I know?
And since you're a little slow today, it's a 'complete' joke they will get a 1 or 2 seed. But then again, Tyreke Evans is the best point guard in the Nation and I haven't seen them play all year. So what do I know?
Personally, I think they are 2 seed material, and I think that's what they'll get even with all the teams that are losing in their conference tourneys. What I find funny though is that, while living around these people, I hear all the time about how they are moving up in the rankings. Of course you're moving up. Everyone ahead of you is actually playing someone. Meanwhile, you play two games after January 1 that are against decent competition, so you go undefeated after January and move up steadily as other schools lose the occasional game to quality conference teams.
This year will make 3 years in a row that Memphis is the only CUSA representative in the tourney. It's easy to keep winning when you have a Top 10 caliber team, and all you play each week are CBI caliber opponents.
And if you get a 1 or 2 seed, it almost guarantees you'll make the Sweet Sixteen. Very few 1 or 2 seeds ever lose before the Sweet Sixteen simply because of their level of competition in the first two rounds. So, Memphis will likely at least be a Sweet Sixteen team this year, and very likely will make the Elite Eight before we will get any idea of how they stack up with real top level competition.
This year will make 3 years in a row that Memphis is the only CUSA representative in the tourney. It's easy to keep winning when you have a Top 10 caliber team, and all you play each week are CBI caliber opponents.
And if you get a 1 or 2 seed, it almost guarantees you'll make the Sweet Sixteen. Very few 1 or 2 seeds ever lose before the Sweet Sixteen simply because of their level of competition in the first two rounds. So, Memphis will likely at least be a Sweet Sixteen team this year, and very likely will make the Elite Eight before we will get any idea of how they stack up with real top level competition.
You sent me a text with 17 teams you said you would put ahead of them. I think 18 is in between 15-20. I could be wrong thoughBriantheDawg said:
I don't know if anyone, certainly none of the more frequent and seemingly half way intelligent people, are saying that Memphis deserves a one seed. So, what exactly is your point? Just about everyone has come to that agreement. Now, I think your claim that they deserve a 4 at best is pretty ridiculous.
I sent you 14 teams that are as good and probably better than them, who have more impressive resumes than Memphis does. Last year's team is distorting your view of how good this year's team really is. The other 3 teams I sent, an argument could be made for those teams as well. This is my last post on the subject - I'm not getting into another page-long debate on Memphis basketball. I've said my piece already. I wanted to debate this a day or two ago because the Stans threads are/were getting old and figured this would be a good topic to debate.
I was interested in how true this was, so I put together a spreadsheet starting with the 2003 tournament. I looked at all the 1 and 2 seeds and where they were knocked out. I'm not going to post all the percentages unless someone wants them, but, in my opinion, the most surprising percentage was that 46% of 2 seeds didn't make it out of the 2nd round. That's kind of crazy. On the other hand, 79% of 1 seeds make the Elite Eight. That number was slightly higher than I thought. I was interested in how true this was, so I put together a spreadsheet starting with the 2003 tournament. I looked at all the 1 and 2 seeds and where they were knocked out. I'm not going to post all the percentages unless someone wants them, but, in my opinion, the most surprising percentage was that 46% of 2 seeds didn't make it out of the 2nd round. That's kind of crazy. On the other hand, 79% of 1 seeds make the Elite Eight. That number was slightly higher than I thought.RebelBruiser said:
And for the record, they shouldn't get a 1 seed. A 2/3 would be fair. The last year Conference USA had Louisville and Cincy, Louisville was something like 29-4 and got a 4 seed, which I didn't understand but they ended up making the Final Four anyway.
If you think it's ridiculous, that's your opinion. And that's fine. But, when you've only beaten 2 good teams all season long and lost to the other 3 you've played, I don't think any team is deserving of anything higher than a 4 seed. That's my opinion.Seshomoru said:
I've watched Memphis play a couple of times this year. After they moved tyreke Evans to the point, they are a completely different team. He is one of the best point guard in the nation if not the best. If I was asked in december if they deserve a number one seed, it would be a definate no from me. But Memphis is playing their best best basketball when it matters. They are deserving of a number 2 seed at the least if they win their tourny.