It sucks not having an AD on the same page as the fans, huh?

arkane

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I've been reading your forums here, lately. You're having that age-old issue that all floundering football programs are having: A fan base split due to a coach who's been better than what you had, but is still not quite good enough. Dan Mullen ain't too shabby, but the SEC is stacked like pants at a Gap store. "Ain't too shabby" is the PC way of saying you have Charlie Weiss in the SEC. Even Kentucky had the sense to go out and hire a Stoops last year. If there is ever a football fan out there, it's gotta be Mississippi State, Kentucky, or Vanderbilt fans. You're unwavering in your support of a school that is almost always predicted to suck, and for that, you deserve better.

I keep reading people asking "who else are we supposed to hire?" when someone suggest that maybe Mullen should be let go after this season. I had MSU winning four or five games this year and dropping to Auburn certainly didn't go far in supporting that you'll exceed that. If Mullen can't seem to ever overcome a decent team, why shouldn't he be let go? It's awful that your AD apparently doesn't want to take football as seriously as the fans, because being in the SEC means playing football should be first and foremost, as far as spots go. The SEC is a football conference - it lives and breathes it. We love being in the SEC so much, that we even relish it when another team wins a Bowl or a national title. Here is a question: If the SEC were to expand again, and Mississippi State was not part of the conference already, would Miss. St. even be so much as considered, let alone allowed in? It doesn't play quality football (generally), and it doesn't expand the SEC's media footprint. The answer is no, and that's a ******* travesty. Even though MSU doesn't have the stats to prove it, it plays big boy football and takes its licks with the pride of knowing that it's losing to the best. Even OoC; OK-State is knocking on the top ten's door.

The question shouldn't be "who could we possibly hire", but "who should we allow the honor?". I hope you guys become committed to winning, I really do. Ole Miss' program appeared to be slain beyond recovering after Nutt, and then went out and hired a coach who has everyone turning heads. Texas A&M did the same thing. South Carolina went out and took a coach who has won a NC. If all of these schools can do it, why can't Mississippi State? I do not look down on your program, I shake my head at wasted potential, because all that's stopping you from whopping *** is the mentality of the higher-ups thinking you're stuck in your place.

Your Athletic Director needs to act like he's directing the athletics of an NFL pipeline. I realize Mullen has taken your program to a ranked finish and back-to-back Bowl games. I'm not saying not to be proud of him for that, it's a step in the right direction after all. However, new ground has been broken, and it should continue to be broken. It's one thing to stick by Mullen if you knew he wouldn't bolt for another school with higher pay, but you really think he wouldn't take the Alabama or Texas job for $4m a year? At the end of the day, he was hired to make your team respectable. So far, he's sort of done it one time, but he's falling way behind the curve.

Anyway, just my two cents. I'll most likely receive some backlash for this, but I'm not a MSU fan, so I don't really care. I just think it's stupid for your team to be ran down so often when it doesn't necessarily have to be. Best of luck this season, I hope you guys win some games.

-Arkansas fan.
 

RocketDawg

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I don't agree that the MSU football program is "in shambles" but it certainly could stand improvement. Mullen has, in 5 years, injected a level of fan interest that we've never had, even under Jackie in the 90s. Although I don't consider it of paramount importance, most here do since they live in Mississippi, but he's beaten Ole Miss 3 times out of 4. The main thing I'd like to see him do better is occasionally, at least, beat Saban and LSU. He's taken us to bowls for I think 3 years in a row, and they were mid-level bowls. And he beat Michigan badly. So no, we're not in shambles. This Saturday against Troy I expect another sellout. There may be some actual empty seats, but all schools have that, even in the SEC and even Alabama.

Arkansas was a program in shambles after the Petrino goings on. And I'm not sure you've fixed things by hiring Biliema at $3.2M. He did OK at Wisconsin, but can he compete in the SEC West. It remains to be seen, but so far not so hot.

I see no reason to panic just yet.
 

MrKotter

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Arkane, I think you might be way premature on your "let me go talk down to the bulldogs" speech. Your hogs pretty much still suck as you have struggled with crap opponents. Your coach has proven nothing other than your talent is bad or the coach sucks. You might want to wait until your team has actually proven itself, if it ever does, before your next little speech.
 

Digging dog

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Arkane, also it never hurts when 3 of your alumni supporters are:

1. Jerry Jones (owner of Dallas Cowboys)
2. Tyson Chicken (forgot owners name)
3. Walton family (Walmart).

Point is love makes the world go around BUT money greases the wheel.
 

HailState39110

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Arkane, also it never hurts when 3 of your alumni supporters are:

1. Jerry Jones (owner of Dallas Cowboys)
2. Tyson Chicken (forgot owners name)
3. Walton family (Walmart).

Point is love makes the world go around BUT money greases the wheel.

You forgot the J.B Hunt Trucking company family also as big UPig donors
 

Hanmudog

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Since Arkansas joined the SEC, MSU has 5 bowl wins. Arkansas has 4 bowl wins.

Since Arkansas joined the SEC, MSU has 6 trips to Omaha in baseball. Arkansas has 3 trips.

Since Arkansas joined the SEC, MSU has been to 9 NCAA basketball tourneys. Arkansas has been to 14 but only three in the last ten years.


So Arkane, you can take that "SEC would not take MSU today" stuff had shove it up your hillbilly cornhole.
 

Philly Dawg

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TL,DR, but I must point out that the AD is not a representative of the fans, but of the institution.
 
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Since Arkansas joined the SEC, MSU has 5 bowl wins. Arkansas has 4 bowl wins.

Since Arkansas joined the SEC, MSU has 6 trips to Omaha in baseball. Arkansas has 3 trips.

Since Arkansas joined the SEC, MSU has been to 9 NCAA basketball tourneys. Arkansas has been to 14 but only three in the last ten years.


So Arkane, you can take that "SEC would not take MSU today" stuff had shove it up your hillbilly cornhole.
State has four trips to the college world series since the hogs joined the sec. 97;98;07;13
 

was21

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Arkane, also it never hurts when 3 of your alumni supporters are:

1. Jerry Jones (owner of Dallas Cowboys)
2. Tyson Chicken (forgot owners name)
3. Walton family (Walmart).

Point is love makes the world go around BUT money greases the wheel.

Speaking of money, Texas A&M raised $740 million dollars in the past year. I don't know how much the athletic department got. This is what we're against. Money talks.
 

cheewgumm

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These 2 paragraphs, more or less, hit home.

This is the big wall to get over...our fans...who think we should "know our place" when we pay $2.6M and are in the SEC. What is Mullen, the 20th highest paid coach in the country? And we should "know our place"? According to recruiting rankings, we have better players than Oklahoma State(for example), but half our fans thinks we shouldn't schedule them because we're not quiite there yet as a program? After all"We're not Alabama".

It's sickening to see, but we read it here every day. Our fans think we should shoot for 6 or 7 wins...and be happy. After all" know your place".

the one good thing that Ole Miss is doing is nto thinking this. F that. Win now. So, hopefully it won't be too late for us, once our fans wake up to the fact that we pay a huge salary...we are in teh SEC, and we can demand a great coach.

There are 14 SEC head coaching spots...thats it. These, imo, are the most prized spots in college football. Indeed...know your place.


I keep reading people asking "who else are we supposed to hire?" when someone suggest that maybe Mullen should be let go after this season. I had MSU winning four or five games this year and dropping to Auburn certainly didn't go far in supporting that you'll exceed that. If Mullen can't seem to ever overcome a decent team, why shouldn't he be let go? It's awful that your AD apparently doesn't want to take football as seriously as the fans, because being in the SEC means playing football should be first and foremost, as far as spots go. The SEC is a football conference - it lives and breathes it. We love being in the SEC so much, that we even relish it when another team wins a Bowl or a national title. Here is a question: If the SEC were to expand again, and Mississippi State was not part of the conference already, would Miss. St. even be so much as considered, let alone allowed in? It doesn't play quality football (generally), and it doesn't expand the SEC's media footprint. The answer is no, and that's a ******* travesty. Even though MSU doesn't have the stats to prove it, it plays big boy football and takes its licks with the pride of knowing that it's losing to the best. Even OoC; OK-State is knocking on the top ten's door.

The question shouldn't be "who could we possibly hire", but "who should we allow the honor?". I hope you guys become committed to winning, I really do. Ole Miss' program appeared to be slain beyond recovering after Nutt, and then went out and hired a coach who has everyone turning heads. Texas A&M did the same thing. South Carolina went out and took a coach who has won a NC. If all of these schools can do it, why can't Mississippi State? I do not look down on your program, I shake my head at wasted potential, because all that's stopping you from whopping *** is the mentality of the higher-ups thinking you're stuck in your place.
 

Shamoan

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I enjoyed the comments. it was well written as well. sometimes, a little change of perspective is beneficial, especially in a fanbase that is as divided as ours.
 

esplanade91

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The #1 problem with MSU is money, but a close #2 is the fact no one has any balls. Mullen would be fired at any other decent SEC school after this season if it doesn't end in a bowl and the major reason would be the monumental slide in 2012. At any other school Strick wouldn't have even been hired, and if he had he would be facing losing his job (not the case at MSU... THE FACILITIES!). Bracky would be taken out back and shot, or at least tied to the flag pole in the drill field and tarred and feathered. Alumni would be bitching publically and calling for Scott's head instead of just passively not attending or donating to the basketball team.

Dammit I just want someone to take some chances, fire people when they do something ******, and roll the dice every once and a while getting their hands dirty. MSU could be just as good as Auburn EVERY YEAR. MSU is the only thing getting in the way of MSU.

For AD hire a former volleyball coach, soccer coach, I don't give a ****, just as long as they have experience from a coaching standpoint. How is Strick suppose to sit there and tell Mullen at the end of the season that he can't bring Keonning back when his biggest involvement in sports was being a male cheerleader and being a fundraiser for the school?
 
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UnknownDawg

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Agree on a lot of what you said, Pt #1 & 2 specifically, but

The #1 problem with MSU is money, but a close #2 is the fact no one has any balls. Mullen would be fired at any other decent SEC school after this season if it doesn't end in a bowl and the major reason would be the monumental slide in 2012. At any other school Strick wouldn't have even been hired, and if he had he would be facing losing his job (not the case at MSU... THE FACILITIES!). Bracky would be taken out back and shot, or at least tied to the flag pole in the drill field and tarred and feathered. Alumni would be bitching publically and calling for Scott's head instead of just passively not attending or donating to the basketball team.

Dammit I just want someone to take some chances, fire people when they do something ******, and roll the dice every once and a while getting their hands dirty. MSU could be just as good as Auburn EVERY YEAR. MSU is the only thing getting in the way of MSU.

For AD hire a former volleyball coach, soccer coach, I don't give a ****, just as long as they have experience from a coaching standpoint. How is Strick suppose to sit there and tell Mullen at the end of the season that he can't bring Keonning back when his biggest involvement in sports was being a male cheerleader and being a fundraiser for the school?

Expounding on the money issue comes down to actual living alumni. It has been a while since I did the research but I would imagine it still applies--MSU has the least number of living alumni (also referred to as donors) of any SEC public institution. Its a numbers game, fewer alumni generally means less donor revenues. Yes, success brings more revenue but moderate success brings only moderate add'l revenue and the gap to compete money wise is too wide to only have moderate increases. Everyone's revenue is increasing at the same time, so the gap either remains the same or only slightly narrows. Unfortunately, we will always fight this predicament. But we must do all we can to try to make gains each year in narrowing the gap. That starts at the top--President, AD & on down.

I would add to that, contentment, primarily by our elder alumni (not all, but many). Many have spent decades accepting MSU's limited success with the thought that we do as much as we can with what we have. In their defense, for so long it is really all they have known. But compared to The Bears, their elder alumni remember the glory years of the 60s & feel that that is their bar of success, despite the changing landscape of the last 50 years. Pride plays a huge part as well. Bottom line, the excitement & recruiting success @ Ole Miss is a direct result of MSU's early success with Mullen while they were down. They ate **** as long as they could stand it, 3 straight wins by State, 3 straight bowl games, and of course, Mullen's mouth. Surely he/we had to know that that would come back to bite us. He jabbed them, baited them and popped off to the point that they said enough is enough. They committed to do WHATEVER it took to stop the bleeding, including paying players to visit, buying recruits, etc. (no sensible UM fan can deny that--yes everyone crosses the lines but they took it to a new level). You cant sell that "we outworked our competition" crap. You don't follow up a 4-8 season with a top 5 class without some improprieties, doesn't matter who you are. Bottom line, their pride was hurt & they stepped up to regain it.

Right now, our alums have not lost enough pride to facilitate that kind of response. We/they are content with 7 wins or more, which is a shame.
 

Digging dog

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Speaking of money, Texas A&M raised $740 million dollars in the past year. I don't know how much the athletic department got. This is what we're against. Money talks.

More people eat Blue Bell ice cream than "Muscadine Ripple".
 

Digging dog

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These 2 paragraphs, more or less, hit home.

This is the big wall to get over...our fans...who think we should "know our place" when we pay $2.6M and are in the SEC. What is Mullen, the 20th highest paid coach in the country? And we should "know our place"? According to recruiting rankings, we have better players than Oklahoma State(for example), but half our fans thinks we shouldn't schedule them because we're not quiite there yet as a program? After all"We're not Alabama".

It's sickening to see, but we read it here every day. Our fans think we should shoot for 6 or 7 wins...and be happy. After all" know your place".

the one good thing that Ole Miss is doing is nto thinking this. F that. Win now. So, hopefully it won't be too late for us, once our fans wake up to the fact that we pay a huge salary...we are in teh SEC, and we can demand a great coach.

There are 14 SEC head coaching spots...thats it. These, imo, are the most prized spots in college football. Indeed...know your place.


I keep reading people asking "who else are we supposed to hire?" when someone suggest that maybe Mullen should be let go after this season. I had MSU winning four or five games this year and dropping to Auburn certainly didn't go far in supporting that you'll exceed that. If Mullen can't seem to ever overcome a decent team, why shouldn't he be let go? It's awful that your AD apparently doesn't want to take football as seriously as the fans, because being in the SEC means playing football should be first and foremost, as far as spots go. The SEC is a football conference - it lives and breathes it. We love being in the SEC so much, that we even relish it when another team wins a Bowl or a national title. Here is a question: If the SEC were to expand again, and Mississippi State was not part of the conference already, would Miss. St. even be so much as considered, let alone allowed in? It doesn't play quality football (generally), and it doesn't expand the SEC's media footprint. The answer is no, and that's a ******* travesty. Even though MSU doesn't have the stats to prove it, it plays big boy football and takes its licks with the pride of knowing that it's losing to the best. Even OoC; OK-State is knocking on the top ten's door.

The question shouldn't be "who could we possibly hire", but "who should we allow the honor?". I hope you guys become committed to winning, I really do. Ole Miss' program appeared to be slain beyond recovering after Nutt, and then went out and hired a coach who has everyone turning heads. Texas A&M did the same thing. South Carolina went out and took a coach who has won a NC. If all of these schools can do it, why can't Mississippi State? I do not look down on your program, I shake my head at wasted potential, because all that's stopping you from whopping *** is the mentality of the higher-ups thinking you're stuck in your place.

Oklahoma State doesn't have to play AL, LSU, TAM, and some years FL or SC every year to get to their 10 win season.
 

dannyripms

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I don't know why some of you are giving him crap, heck he's saying we deserve better and we do. Get rid of Mullen and the end of the year and go get HUD. Fire stricklin if he doesn't like it. He's right we accept mediocre like back in Larry t days. Mullen has done a good job in getting us in the right direction but I think he's hit his ceiling and it's time for HUD to come in and get the recruits we need and get us to a bcs game.
 

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And I'll bet none of the posters in this thread give more than $1000 per year to the Bulldog Club. Sack up and donate.
 

skb124

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That's so dumb. Mullen's "slide" was against 3 of the top teams in the nation and Ole Miss. No one is going to get fired for a bowl game so don't even throw Northwestern in there. As I said in a different thread, if you switch last year's schedule around to where we don't play A&M, Bama, and LSU back-to-back-to-back and sprinkle two of those during our 7-0 run, then no one complains about going 8-4.

I also don't understand the Stricklin hate. The basketball coaching search obviously didn't go the way we wanted it to, but what else has he done poorly at? Its also not his fault that so many people were more loyal to Stansbury than the actual basketball team, and that they decided to back away from basketball in essence trying to doom Ray before he even started.
 

dannyripms

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Bingo, I bet he doesn't give anything. On the other hand I actually do give a thousand dollars each year. I know it's not much in respect to the money that is needed but at least it's something and I feel good when I do give it, kind of makes me feel like I'm a part of what's going on at msu. Hopefully one day I'll be able to give more. I like dan, and maybe if HUD wasn't out there then I'd be more willing to see if he could get it done, maybe he's still growing as a coach himself. I'm just afraid that we got the best coach out there for state and if we don't act after this year he won't be there if this doesn't work out with dan. And if dan does work out and does good I honestly believe he will be on the first plane out if a school with a decent offer comes along. I don't think HUD would do that because he was born and raised in ms, his kids are here and he's always wanted to be at state. So I say go ahead and pull the trigger after this year. Based on past performances I don't think dan can pull it off. I see a 4 win season this year. Hope I'm wrong because I want them kids that put in al that work in to see that hard work pays off.