It's a question of priorities

[bornaneer]

1. As the first quarter of 2016 nears an end, violence in Chicago has reached levels unseen in years. As of 6 a.m. Wednesday, homicides totaled 135, a 71 percent jump over the 79 killings in the same year-earlier period, official Police Department statistics show. That represented the worst first quarter of a year since 136 homicides in 1999, according to the data. Shootings have jumped by comparable numbers as well. As of Wednesday, at least 727 people had been shot in Chicago so far this year, a 73 percent rise from 422 a year earlier, according to a Tribune analysis of department data.
   
2. Donald Trump campaign manager Corey Lewandowski has been charged with battery of a journalist at a campaign event. Mr Lewandowski is charged with simple battery over his encounter with former Breitbart reporter Michelle Fields. Police allege that on 8 March after a news conference in Florida, he grabbed her arm when she tried to ask Mr Trump a question, leaving a bruise.
   

 

[mule_eer]

1. As the first quarter of 2016 nears an end, violence in Chicago has reached levels unseen in years. As of 6 a.m. Wednesday, homicides totaled 135, a 71 percent jump over the 79 killings in the same year-earlier period, official Police Department statistics show. That represented the worst first quarter of a year since 136 homicides in 1999, according to the data. Shootings have jumped by comparable numbers as well. As of Wednesday, at least 727 people had been shot in Chicago so far this year, a 73 percent rise from 422 a year earlier, according to a Tribune analysis of department data.
   
2. Donald Trump campaign manager Corey Lewandowski has been charged with battery of a journalist at a campaign event. Mr Lewandowski is charged with simple battery over his encounter with former Breitbart reporter Michelle Fields. Police allege that on 8 March after a news conference in Florida, he grabbed her arm when she tried to ask Mr Trump a question, leaving a bruise.

Here's the issue - the police had video evidence and cooperating witnesses to #2. The charge is simple battery which does not require that the alleged victim be injured. It's intentional contact without consent. If you think that police in Chicago are not trying to find the perpetrators of the crimes in #1, I think you are fooling yourself. They don't have the evidence. I guess my question is, should we stop trying to convict people for lesser crimes just because other people are committing more serious crimes?

 

[mneilmont]

Here's the issue - the police had video evidence and cooperating witnesses to #2. The charge is simple battery which does not require that the alleged victim be injured. It's intentional contact without consent. If you think that police in Chicago are not trying to find the perpetrators of the crimes in #1, I think you are fooling yourself. They don't have the evidence. I guess my question is, should we stop trying to convict people for lesser crimes just because other people are committing more serious crimes?

Ignore the lesser crimes. The president is releasing those already convicted of felonies with life sentence. Making reports is time consuming, and the officers need to be on street where they are visible.

 

[mule_eer]

Ignore the lesser crimes. The president is releasing those already convicted of felonies with life sentence. Making reports is time consuming, and the officers need to be on street where they are visible.

So you are not a proponent of the broken window policy? Also, how do you let victims of "lesser" crimes know that they are not important? "Hey, I know someone burglarized your store, but someone somewhere might get shot. We're just going to let this one pass." Don't most, and by most I mean most city PDs, have different units for solving different types of crimes? Is everyone now a homicide detective? And how does the investigation of a crime in Jupiter impact the investigation of crimes in Chicago?

 

[bornaneer]

Here's the issue - the police had video evidence and cooperating witnesses to #2. The charge is simple battery which does not require that the alleged victim be injured. It's intentional contact without consent. If you think that police in Chicago are not trying to find the perpetrators of the crimes in #1, I think you are fooling yourself. They don't have the evidence. I guess my question is, should we stop trying to convict people for lesser crimes just because other people are committing more serious crimes?

Maybe I should have explained my point about why I made this post and the many others I have made about the slaughter taking place in our cities. I will try to make it very simple for you and others by asking you a few questions.

1. Have you EVER seen George Stepanfetchitoplis,
   Ratchel Madcow,Chris Matthews or Matt Lauer EVER give ONE second of air time to the genocide taking place in our cities?
2. Have you seen any coverage of this Trump aide assult issue?
3. What is more important to you; Thousands of men,women AND CHILDREN being slaughtered yearly in this country or one reporter who was grabbed and pushed aside AFTER refusing to do so on TWO occasions by Secret Service agents guarding Trump who told her to stop?
4. What is more important to you; Politics or a very serious problem?

 

[countryroads89_rivals]

Maybe I should have explained my point about why I made this post and the many others I have made about the slaughter taking place in our cities. I will try to make it very simple for you and others by asking you a few questions.

1. Have you EVER seen George Stepanfetchitoplis,
   Ratchel Madcow,Chris Matthews or Matt Lauer EVER give ONE second of air time to the genocide taking place in our cities?
2. Have you seen any coverage of this Trump aide assult issue?
3. What is more important to you; Thousands of men,women AND CHILDREN being slaughtered yearly in this country or one reporter who was grabbed and pushed aside AFTER refusing to do so on TWO occasions by Secret Service agents guarding Trump who told her to stop?
4. What is more important to you; Politics or a very serious problem?

1. Have you EVER seen George Stepanfetchitoplis,Ratchel Madcow,Chris Matthews or Matt Lauer EVER give ONE second of air time to the genocide taking place in our cities? - Yes

2. Have you seen any coverage of this Trump aide assult issue? - Yes

3. What is more important to you; Thousands of men,women AND CHILDREN being slaughtered yearly in this country or one reporter who was grabbed and pushed aside AFTER refusing to do so on TWO occasions by Secret Service agents guarding Trump who told her to stop? - Thousands? By your own statistics, it was 135 in the first quarter. They are BOTH important. Obviously you and I didn't watch the same video. The video clearly shows her being grabbed and thrown around in a manner that was totally unnecessary, by a campaign manager. He doesn't have the right to use force like the SS does. And, the press has a right to be there and everyone understands that.

4. What is more important to you; Politics or a very serious problem? - They are both very serious problems. It is absolutely shameful that a campaign manager has been charged with battery on a member of the press and will likely face additional charges for other assaults. The SS are there for a purpose. Let them do THEIR job.

 

[mule_eer]

Maybe I should have explained my point about why I made this post and the many others I have made about the slaughter taking place in our cities. I will try to make it very simple for you and others by asking you a few questions.

1. Have you EVER seen George Stepanfetchitoplis,
   Ratchel Madcow,Chris Matthews or Matt Lauer EVER give ONE second of air time to the genocide taking place in our cities?
2. Have you seen any coverage of this Trump aide assult issue?
3. What is more important to you; Thousands of men,women AND CHILDREN being slaughtered yearly in this country or one reporter who was grabbed and pushed aside AFTER refusing to do so on TWO occasions by Secret Service agents guarding Trump who told her to stop?
4. What is more important to you; Politics or a very serious problem?

1. I don't watch a ton of TV news - mostly CNN when I do. I have seen discussion of violence on the streets on there, but almost everything lately has been about politics with other stuff sprinkled in. I should also note that I read most of my news on line, and I get some on satellite radio while driving.

2. I have seen the video and heard some coverage of it.

3. Of course crimes involving the death of large numbers of people are more significant. Policing those crimes in one city and other crimes in a different city are not competing for resources though. We also can't ignore all other crimes because some very serious ones are occurring.

Also, if the Secret Service had moved the reporter, I would have had no problem with this. Lewandowski isn't an agent, and he isn't responsible for physical security. She wasn't told to step aside by the agents. She had touched Trump twice, and those were the warnings.

4. I can't be concerned about violence on the streets and the fact that a guy who claims his administration will include only the best people standing by a guy who refuses to apologize for manhandling a woman. This after Lewandowski flat out lied about the whole situation. That's not the best people.

 

[WhiteTailEER]

Maybe I should have explained my point about why I made this post and the many others I have made about the slaughter taking place in our cities. I will try to make it very simple for you and others by asking you a few questions.

1. Have you EVER seen George Stepanfetchitoplis,
   Ratchel Madcow,Chris Matthews or Matt Lauer EVER give ONE second of air time to the genocide taking place in our cities?
2. Have you seen any coverage of this Trump aide assult issue?
3. What is more important to you; Thousands of men,women AND CHILDREN being slaughtered yearly in this country or one reporter who was grabbed and pushed aside AFTER refusing to do so on TWO occasions by Secret Service agents guarding Trump who told her to stop?
4. What is more important to you; Politics or a very serious problem?

I responded to something similar to this a couple months back, I think.

The media is an abject failure on most accounts. At least MSM is anyway. 90% of our media is controlled by 6 corporations and they have their own agendas, primarily profits. Those profits come in the form of advertisements and to sell advertising they have to show viewership and to get viewership they have to NOT cover the important news, unfortunately.

There are real legitimate issues that we have, as you have outlined with what's going on in Chicago. Everytime a Kardashian goes out in yoga pants there's a picture all over the place, but we don't hear about things in Chicago. Maybe the violence is so commonplace now that it's not even considered newsworthy nationally. We have bigger fish to fry, like who Leonardo Dicaprio was seen with at the Lakers game.

It really is a shame.

 

[moe]

Maybe I should have explained my point about why I made this post and the many others I have made about the slaughter taking place in our cities. I will try to make it very simple for you and others by asking you a few questions.

1. Have you EVER seen George Stepanfetchitoplis,
   Ratchel Madcow,Chris Matthews or Matt Lauer EVER give ONE second of air time to the genocide taking place in our cities?
2. Have you seen any coverage of this Trump aide assult issue?
3. What is more important to you; Thousands of men,women AND CHILDREN being slaughtered yearly in this country or one reporter who was grabbed and pushed aside AFTER refusing to do so on TWO occasions by Secret Service agents guarding Trump who told her to stop?
4. What is more important to you; Politics or a very serious problem?

Another post about Chicago violence, great.

 

[mneilmont]

So you are not a proponent of the broken window policy? Also, how do you let victims of "lesser" crimes know that they are not important? "Hey, I know someone burglarized your store, but someone somewhere might get shot. We're just going to let this one pass." Don't most, and by most I mean most city PDs, have different units for solving different types of crimes? Is everyone now a homicide detective? And how does the investigation of a crime in Jupiter impact the investigation of crimes in Chicago?

The arrest is only the beginning of the process. It is a local decision, which normally becomes a money decision. Andy and Barney was heavy on PR. There are different shows about incarceration. and then, there is Law & Order which touches lightly on the entire process, including prosecution. Incarceration and prosecution are probably the big money items.

In the arrest , you wil havel personnel assigned by the instance of occurrence starting with street patrol, traffic, vice, burglary, juvenile,..... thru narcotics and homicide . Divisions will depend on need and what do you want to fund. You would have to name the city. Jupiter is not the same as Chicago, the only thing they have in common is title of law enforcement. Concentration of enforcement depends on need and the desire to assign resources.

Don't know exactly where you were going.

 

[bornaneer]

Another post about Chicago violence, great.

Obviously you miss the point. Its also not just Chicago.......the slaughter is happening in cities all over this country. As Whitetail pointed out; "We have bigger fish to fry, like who Leonardo Dicaprio was seen with at the Lakers game". I fully understand where you are coming from..... so I'll let you get back to watching the "Kardishians" .

 

[bornaneer]

4. I can't be concerned about violence on the streets

I find that hard to believe.

 

[countryroads89_rivals]

Its also not just Chicago.......the slaughter is happening in cities all over this country.

Stop being so disingenuous and dramatic.

 

[bornaneer]

3. What is more important to you; Thousands of men,women AND CHILDREN being slaughtered yearly in this country or one reporter who was grabbed and pushed aside AFTER refusing to do so on TWO occasions by Secret Service agents guarding Trump who told her to stop? - Thousands? By your own statistics, it was 135 in the first quarter.

I'm disappointed, I thought you were the reading comprehension guru. I'm dramatic about this the same way that you are every time Donald Trump farts.

 

[countryroads89_rivals]

I'm disappointed, I thought you were the reading comprehension guru. I'm dramatic about this the same way that you are every time Donald Trump farts.

Yes, it's tough to follow your posts, you bounce around so much. You cite Chicago but but want to use it as an example of what is supposedly happening in every major city in the US.

So, you supporting Trump now?

 

[moe]

Obviously you miss the point. Its also not just Chicago.......the slaughter is happening in cities all over this country. As Whitetail pointed out; "We have bigger fish to fry, like who Leonardo Dicaprio was seen with at the Lakers game". I fully understand where you are coming from..... so I'll let you get back to watching the "Kardishians" .

This slaughter you speak of, what about it? Why bring it up? Are you hoping that the network evening news would devote a daily segment to it? You know that there's been inner city violence in America for decades, right? or are you just complaining about the make up of network evening news stories? You realize that the evening news and internet news homepages are comprised of infotainment, right? I regret this myself but have accepted it as it's just a battle for page views and tv viewers. If you're troubled by inner city violence then I suggest that you avoid it because I really don't see you having a remedy for it.

 

[bornaneer]

So, you supporting Trump now?

Still hoping for Kasich but will vote for Trump if he gets the nomination. I will not vote if Cruz is the nominee.

 

[bornaneer]

This slaughter you speak of, what about it? Why bring it up? Are you hoping that the network evening news would devote a daily segment to it? You know that there's been inner city violence in America for decades, right? or are you just complaining about the make up of network evening news stories? You realize that the evening news and internet news homepages are comprised of infotainment, right? I regret this myself but have accepted it as it's just a battle for page views and tv viewers. If you're troubled by inner city violence then I suggest that you avoid it because I really don't see you having a remedy for it.

I'm not in a position to remedy it. BUT we do have people that are. I bring it up so it will not be forgotten. Your admission that you regret what tv is about makes my point. I think we both can agree on that.

 

[RichardPeterJohnson]

Stop being so disingenuous and dramatic.

Black on Black crime is very important to him. If he was First Lady, that would be his cause.

 

[mule_eer]

I find that hard to believe.

That was proof reading gone wrong on my part, and not my intent at all. Sorry about that.

I'm not sure how I ended up putting that there in my phone reply, and I'm generally pretty bad about those. My point there was supposed to be about how Trump claims that he'll surround himself with the best people when asked about things he has no experience with (foreign policy, defense strategy, etc). He also has no experience running a campaign, and he's chosen Lewandowski as the best person for that. It speaks to his decisions about the "best" people. Maybe his judgement there is about the best words, although, after that response from me, I'm not sure I have much room to fault him there.

 

[bornaneer]

Black on Black crime is very important to him. If he was First Lady, that would be his cause.

Thanks for taking a break........now back to it.....you have a lot of photos to view.

 

[mneilmont]

I guess my question is, should we stop trying to convict people for lesser crimes just because other people are committing more serious crimes

For the street cop to make the call, no. For administration to make the call, yes. Situation awareness - as a New Orleans cop, we overlooked a lot during carnival. Attempt to enforce crimes against people if necessary to get it to stop. Crimes against property - not necessarily a big deal. Everyone there to party.