It's been 2 yrs since Dumb Donald claimed he had a secret "foolproof" plan to defeat ISIS

[American Fabius]

"I don’t want the enemy to know what I’m doing," Trump told Fox News in May 2015, the month before launching his presidential campaign. "Unfortunately, I’ll probably have to tell at some point, but there is a method of defeating them quickly and effectively and having total victory.”


He added: “All I can tell you it is a foolproof way of winning, and I’m not talking about what some people would say, but it is a foolproof way of winning the war with ISIS." ISIS is an alternative acronym for the Islamic State.

 

[American Fabius]

Trump Blows Off His Own Pittsburgh Not Paris Rally To Go Play Golf

By Jason Easley on Sat, Jun 3rd, 2017 at 11:42 am

Donald Trump blew off a Pittsburgh not Paris rally that the Trump campaign hyped and held across the street from the White House so that he could play golf.

 

[Snow Sled Baby]

"I don’t want the enemy to know what I’m doing," Trump told Fox News in May 2015, the month before launching his presidential campaign. "Unfortunately, I’ll probably have to tell at some point, but there is a method of defeating them quickly and effectively and having total victory.”


He added: “All I can tell you it is a foolproof way of winning, and I’m not talking about what some people would say, but it is a foolproof way of winning the war with ISIS." ISIS is an alternative acronym for the Islamic State.

at least Mr Trump didn't apologize to them and invite them in to our country like your hero maobama did......I certainly hope that you have been spayed and can't reproduce.......we don't need any more people on the welfare rolls

 

[American Fabius]

at least Mr Trump didn't apologize to them and invite them in to our country like your hero maobama did......I certainly hope that you have been spayed and can't reproduce.......we don't need any more people on the welfare rolls

Obama's not my hero and I've never taken a hand out in my life, unlike the majority of "low output" Dumb Donald fans.. https://www.brookings.edu/blog/the-...de-high-output-america-vs-low-output-america/. I've also been a true patriot who's offered and completed his duty to country, unlike the majority of Dumb Donald fans who revere draft dodgers and think posting a "remembrance" on Facebook proves their patriotism. So, how about shutting the Fk up with your puking mouth and do something real for your country before you croak alone and worthless you 4-F lover.

 

[bornaneer]

Obama's not my hero and I've never taken a hand out in my life, unlike the majority of "low output" Dumb Donald fans.. https://www.brookings.edu/blog/the-...de-high-output-america-vs-low-output-america/. I've also been a true patriot who's offered and completed his duty to country, unlike the majority of Dumb Donald fans who revere draft dodgers and think posting a "remembrance" on Facebook proves their patriotism. So, how about shutting the Fk up with your puking mouth and do something real for your country before you croak alone and worthless you 4-F lover.

You do love Hillary and Bill just like you love Obama.....show one post where you have ever said a word against them. You claim to be a "true" patriot but I bet its another of you lies as is your "serving " claim. You are a fraud. And...BTW....President Trump is serving his country.....as President and COMMANDER IN CHIEF.

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

President Trump is serving his country.....as President and COMMANDER IN CHIEF.

Let's not get carried away.

 

[bornaneer]

Let's not get carried away.

I never get carried away.

 

[MountaineerWV]

Looks like Trump is on his way to attaining William Howard Taft status.......WHOA!

 

[WVPATX]

Let's not get carried away.

I think Trump got off to a great start with his speech in Saudi Arabia. He is essentially calling for an Arab NATO to fight radical Islam. If that is his plan, it may be the only one that can work. Radical Islam will never be defeated as long as the radicals have schools and funding in Arab countries, like Saudi Arabia.

 

[MountaineerWV]

I think Trump got off to a great start with his speech in Saudi Arabia. He is essentially calling for an Arab NATO to fight radical Islam. If that is his plan, it may be the only one that can work. Radical Islam will never be defeated as long as the radicals have schools and funding in Arab countries, like Saudi Arabia.

Exactly. As I stated after his speech, and I'm NOT a Trump supporter, this is a good idea and start to a plan. The religion is not the problem, it's the extremists TEACHING it that is the problem. Saudi Arabia can, and should, take a more active role in defeating ISIS and other extremists that are poisoning their religion.

 

[atlkvb]

I've never taken a hand out in my life, unlike the majority of "low output" Dumb Donald fans.

American Fabius approximately a record 93 million Americans received (SNAP) supplemental nutritional assistance program aka: food stamps, last fiscal year. Many of them were African Americans who voted overwhelmingly (above 90%) for Democrats in the last election cylcle.

Were they all "low output" folks just taking "hand outs" as you just described proudly exempting yourself from?

 

[WVPATX]

Exactly. As I stated after his speech, and I'm NOT a Trump supporter, this is a good idea and start to a plan. The religion is not the problem, it's the extremists TEACHING it that is the problem. Saudi Arabia can, and should, take a more active role in defeating ISIS and other extremists that are poisoning their religion.

Saudi Arabia is one of the biggest problems. They have a sect or doctrine of Islam called Wahhabism. They teach it in their schools, it is very vile, very oppressive and teaches hatred. These Madrassa's (schools) must be taken down. In addition, the Saudi's are Sunni as is ISIS. ISIS and Al Qaeda before them were Sunni and received much funding from Saudi Arabian families.

We must get the Saudi's on board, they must show the Arab world they are willing to act to defeat ISIS and its adherents. If they do, the other Gulf States will likely follow, although Qatar is showing unusual signs of befriending Iran which may start a war in the Gulf. Just what we need.

I love the Arab NATO idea. Egypt and Jordan would certainly join. Hopefully, the Gulf States do the same. It is the only way, imo.

 

[atlkvb]

Saudi Arabia is one of the biggest problems. They have a sect or doctrine of Islam called Wahhabism. They teach it in their schools, it is very vile, very oppressive and teaches hatred. These Madrassa's (schools) must be taken down. In addition, the Saudi's are Sunni as is ISIS. ISIS and Al Qaeda before them were Sunni and received much funding from Saudi Arabian families.

We must get the Saudi's on board, they must show the Arab world they are willing to act to defeat ISIS and its adherents. If they do, the other Gulf States will likely follow, although Qatar is showing unusual signs of befriending Iran which may start a war in the Gulf. Just what we need.

I love the Arab NATO idea. Egypt and Jordan would certainly join. Hopefully, the Gulf States do the same. It is the only way, imo.

All true. Don't forget Sunni and Shiite Muslims also view their end time prophecies in the Quran differently.

Much the same way Christians view Revelation. From either a post-millennial view (meaning we are currently living end time prophecy fulfilled) or an A-millennial view (the exact events described in Revelation have yet to occur)

The radical (Shiite) Muslims believe they must ignite the end time prophecy to create the Caliphate that must exist before Islam can be established worldwide, while Sunnis believe they are dutifully daily living out and fulfilling Muhammad's inevitable promises in order for Islam to be codified as the World's "official" way of Life.

Two very different approaches toward the same goal and we operate over there at our peril not fully understanding each of them.

 

[WVPATX]

All true. Don't forget Sunni and Shiite Muslims also view their end time prophecies in the Quran differently.

Much the same way Christians view Revelation. From either a post-millennial view (meaning we are currently living end time prophecy fulfilled) or an A-millennial view (the exact events described in Revelation have yet to occur)

The radical (Shiite) Muslims believe they must ignite the end time prophecy to create the Caliphate that must exist before Islam can be established worldwide, while Sunnis believe they are dutifully daily living out and fulfilling Muhammad's inevitable promises in order for Islam to be codified as the World's "official" way of Life.

Two very different approaches toward the same goal and we operate over there at our peril not fully understanding each of them.

My wife is Lebanese (Christian) but we have many, many Muslim friends (the Arab community in Dallas is very close). The Sunni and Shia all get along very well. And I have received a great education on Islam from both sides.

Iran is radical Shia. You are exactly right in how you describe what the Iranians believe. What is truly sad is that the Shia in the Middle East used to be pretty tolerant and more Western than the Sunni. The Iranian revolution changed all of that. When the Shah ruled, women went to school, dressed like Westerners and had a great deal of freedom. The Shah was a tyrant, like most Middle Eastern leaders, but he was an ally of the West. Carter changed all that and we are where we are, much worse off.

 

[atlkvb]

My wife is Lebanese (Christian) but we have many, many Muslim friends (the Arab community in Dallas is very close). The Sunni and Shia all get along very well. And I have received a great education on Islam from both sides.

Iran is radical Shia. You are exactly right in how you describe what the Iranians believe. What is truly sad is that the Shia in the Middle East used to be pretty tolerant and more Western than the Sunni. The Iranian revolution changed all of that. When the Shah ruled, women went to school, dressed like Westerners and had a great deal of freedom. The Shah was a tyrant, like most Middle Eastern leaders, but he was an ally of the West. Carter changed all that and we are where we are, much worse off.

Again you've nailed it Pax. Our history of siding with Dicators who opress their people is not a good look to many over there who see us as the "Great Satan".

We backed Iraq in its war v Iran, we backed the Mujaheddin freedom fighters in Afghanistan against the Russians (many of them later joined Al Qaeda), at one time Libya & Mohammar Qaddafi was our ally as was Egypt. We often switch sides with Saudi Arabia when it comes to backing or opposing Israel and we still don't know who's side to fight on in the Syrian civil War!

We need to get our sh*t together over there and figure out who our long term allies are before we can ever hope to line up Arab opposition to the radicals (and just as you said they do exist) U.A.E. Qatar, Oman, Jordan, Kuwait, among others.

It's a total clusterf*ck over there and often times we don't make it any better by sending mixed or confusing signals to our friends who are with us against Islamic radicalism.

 

[bornaneer]

It's a total clusterf*ck over there and often times we don't make it any better by sending mixed or confusing signals to our friends who are with us against Islamic radicalism.

Thats why I say ......Get ALL American personnel the hell out of ALL those Muslim countries. Let the idiots do what they do to each other......Its not worth ONE American life or dollar.

 

[MountaineerWV]

Thats why I say ......Get ALL American personnel the hell out of ALL those Muslim countries. Let the idiots do what they do to each other......Its not worth ONE American life or dollar.

So you think if we get out of those areas, they will no longer target America or our allies?

 

[atlkvb]

Thats why I say ......Get ALL American personnel the hell out of ALL those Muslim countries. Let the idiots do what they do to each other......Its not worth ONE American life or dollar.

There are many in America who agree with that exact sentiment because it seems so hopelessly confusing who our allies are over there and who are our backstabbing enemies.

 

[American Fabius]

American Fabius approximately a record 93 million Americans received (SNAP) supplemental nutritional assistance program aka: food stamps, last fiscal year. Many of them were African Americans who voted overwhelmingly (above 90%) for Democrats in the last election cylcle.

Were they all "low output" folks just taking "hand outs" as you just described proudly exempting yourself from?

Your premise depends on outright lies that people like YOU depend on. "There are no white people on welfare." "There are no jobless/minimum wage welfare dependent Trump voters." "The Brookings Institute is fake news." Stop kidding yourself. Worthless, loser, low output, white Trump fans are a dime a dozen, especially in WV. You can drive through the state on any work day and see them sitting on their porches waiting for Dumb Donald to bring them thar high falutin' job offers. lol Your lies have been exposed already. At this point you're just embarrassing yourself.

High-output America vs low-output America
https://www.brookings.edu/blog/the-...de-high-output-america-vs-low-output-america/

 

[bornaneer]

So you think if we get out of those areas, they will no longer target America or our allies?

Maybe they won't but can't say for sure. I'll let our allies fend for themselves. I just don't think its worth all the lives and assets we have expended.......it still goes on. Why do you think we are targets?

 

[American Fabius]

You do love Hillary and Bill just like you love Obama.....show one post where you have ever said a word against them. You claim to be a "true" patriot but I bet its another of you lies as is your "serving " claim. You are a fraud. And...BTW....President Trump is serving his country.....as President and COMMANDER IN CHIEF.

idiot

 

[atlkvb]

Your premise depends on outright lies that people like YOU depend on. "There are no white people on welfare." "There are no jobless/minimum wage welfare dependent Trump voters." "The Brookings Institute is fake news." Stop kidding yourself. Worthless, loser, low output, white Trump fans are a dime a dozen, especially in WV. You can drive through the state on any work day and see them sitting on their porches waiting for Dumb Donald to bring them thar high falutin' job offers. lol Your lies have been exposed already. At this point you're just embarrassing yourself.

High-output America vs low-output America
https://www.brookings.edu/blog/the-...de-high-output-america-vs-low-output-america/

I posted a quite lengthy rebuttal to the fallacies in that article you linked to American Fabius:
https://westvirginia.forums.rivals....county-coal-mine-opening.146420/#post-1563506

and I didn't say there are no White people on Welfare receiving handouts!

I asked YOU specifically if the African Americans who voted in massive numbers for Democrats last election cycle were included in your descriptions of "low output" recipients of the handouts you claimed you've "never" received?

What's the "lie" I told?

 

[bornaneer]

idiot

In case you missed it.....You are a fraud and a liar. We all know you love Bill and Hillary. And.......Trump is the Commander in Chief.......thats a lot more than your lying *** ever was.

 

[bornaneer]

I posted a quite lengthy rebuttal to the fallacies in that article you linked to, and I didn't say there are no White people on Welfare receiving handouts.

I asked you specifically if the African Americans who voted in massive numbers for Democrats last election cycle were included in your descriptions of "low output" recipients of the handouts you claimed you "never" received?

What's the "lie" I told?

Your wasting your time dealing with this nut.

 

[atlkvb]

Your wasting your time dealing with this nut.

Obviously. He won't answer ANY of my legitimate questions to him.

"Hit-n-run" Leftist.

 

[MountaineerWV]

Maybe they won't but can't say for sure. I'll let our allies fend for themselves. I just don't think its worth all the lives and assets we have expended.......it still goes on. Why do you think we are targets?

Well, then, we wouldn't have any "allies" then, would we?

 

[MountaineerWV]

Obviously. He won't answer ANY of my legitimate questions to him.

"Hit-n-run" Leftist.

Yeah, it was like this one debate on here where one poster refused to acknowledge the attempts to explain how Mosaic Law was predated by Hammurabi.....and this poster refused to acknowledge this because of his interpretations, teachings, and beliefs in his Holy Bible.

So, again, how easy will this be to "teach" radicals that their interpretations are wrong?

 

[bornaneer]

Well, then, we wouldn't have any "allies" then, would we?

Depends to what degree. If their homelands are being attacked I would lend support. I would NOT send Americans into Afghanistan to wage war because some nut killed people in France and England. Let France and Great Britain do that work.

 

[MountaineerWV]

Depends to what degree. If their homelands are being attacked I would lend support. I would NOT send Americans into Afghanistan to wage war because some nut killed people in France and England. Let France and Great Britain do that work.

So, when we were attacked on 9/11, we should not have gotten a coalition together to fight Al-Qaeda and should have went in solo? Doesn't sound like "NATO" to me......

 

[atlkvb]

Yeah, it was like this one debate on here where one poster refused to acknowledge the attempts to explain how Mosaic Law was predated by Hammurabi.....and this poster refused to acknowledge this because of his interpretations, teachings, and beliefs in his Holy Bible.

So, again, how easy will this be to "teach" radicals that their interpretations are wrong?

That thread you mentioned MountaineerWV actually went on for 8 pages (more than 180 posts) and at the end I told the poster I was primarily having the conversation with (@CAJUNEER ) that I learned quite a bit from his expert historical review of the various language origins. (I told him that and thanked him for his information)

We weren't "arguing" Biblical facts, as much as chronology and time references because he said several times in the thread that the Bible's story about the creation of the different languages was correct.

We were debating the time coding or sequencing of when certain tongues appeared prior to Mosaic Law being delivered at Sinai.

Besides, you left the thread so early in it I'm surprised you even remember anything past "there is no God" and the "Bible is a hoax" or some other similar ill informed remark you made early on in that thread as I remember it before you vanished probably out of shock that the Bible's rendition was so clearly correct?

Now you're all of sudden chastising me for not engaging in honest debate?

That's rich.

 

[bornaneer]

So, when we were attacked on 9/11, we should not have gotten a coalition together to fight Al-Qaeda and should have went in solo? Doesn't sound like "NATO" to me......

What has it accomplished? How many Americans have died trying to stop terrorism? A better response after 9/11 would have been to turn one of the terrorist cities into glass from the air. Quick and easy...in and out....and an eye for an eye.

 

[atlkvb]

So, again, how easy will this be to "teach" radicals that their interpretations are wrong?

So tell me MountaineerWV, you still think the Bible is just a "fairy tale" and the stories of it's ancient tongues that pre-date even the code of Hammurabi are all made up?

 

[MountaineerWV]

So tell me MountaineerWV, you still think the Bible is just a "fairy tale" and the stories of it's ancient tongues that pre-date even the code of Hammurabi are all made up?

Simple, simple-minded.......never.....I repeat, NEVER did I refer to the Bible as a "fairy tale".....you are again resorting to throwing **** to the wall and see if it will stick.

 

[atlkvb]

Simple, simple-minded.......never.....I repeat, NEVER did I refer to the Bible as a "fairy tale".....you are again resorting to throwing **** to the wall and see if it will stick.

So you do believe in the historical accuracy and documented archeological proof of the Bible's explanation for the appearance of different tongues?

I could have sworn you were arguing against its explanation as part of a larger overall "hoax"?

Correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[MountaineerWV]

So you do believe in the historical accuracy and documented archeological proof of the Bible's explanation for the appearance of different tongues?

I could have sworn you were arguing against its explanation as part of a larger overall "hoax"?

Correct me if I'm wrong.

You could have "sworn"? Whatever, man. I never said anything of the sort. Fact is that you have replied to my comments and then referred to me as "Boom" and then used the excuse that you were using your phone and such......fact is you are trying to lump everyone in to the same argument to try to prove you are right.

I never said anything against the Bible, nor the stories. I simply stated the years Moses was alive, and then how Hammurabi was way before that....which was backed up by others. You wouldn't let it go, so that's why I stopped posting.

 

[atlkvb]

You could have "sworn"? Whatever, man. I never said anything of the sort. Fact is that you have replied to my comments and then referred to me as "Boom" and then used the excuse that you were using your phone and such......fact is you are trying to lump everyone in to the same argument to try to prove you are right.

I never said anything against the Bible, nor the stories. I simply stated the years Moses was alive, and then how Hammurabi was way before that....which was backed up by others. You wouldn't let it go, so that's why I stopped posting.

I'll accept that. When you and I were having that pissing match a couple of weeks ago there was one post in that thread where I mistakenly called you boom (I was responding to you both at the time and on my mobile phone). I apologized for that.

When I got back to work and resumed the scrum with you I thought I was clear responding to you, and I would have to go back and re-read that thread but I'm certain you referred to the Bible as a "myth" or at least not a reliable source of determining where the languages originated. Again I could be wrong about that so if I'm incorrectly describing your position about that then I'll stand corrected.

I noticed you still didn't answer my specific question in post # 34 about the Bible's historicity, just as you've refused to answer many other questions I've asked you recently as we've haggled back-n-fourth over various issues.

That's cool. I do try at least not to misrepresent your views, and even though we do most certainly disagree...I'll always try to respect your opinions.

That's what civilized adults do.

 

[American Fabius]

I posted a quite lengthy rebuttal to the fallacies in that article you linked to American Fabius:
https://westvirginia.forums.rivals....county-coal-mine-opening.146420/#post-1563506

and I didn't say there are no White people on Welfare receiving handouts!

I asked YOU specifically if the African Americans who voted in massive numbers for Democrats last election cycle were included in your descriptions of "low output" recipients of the handouts you claimed you've "never" received?

What's the "lie" I told?

I posted a quite lengthy rebuttal to the fallacies in that article you linked to American Fabius:
https://westvirginia.forums.rivals....county-coal-mine-opening.146420/#post-1563506

and I didn't say there are no White people on Welfare receiving handouts!

I asked YOU specifically if the African Americans who voted in massive numbers for Democrats last election cycle were included in your descriptions of "low output" recipients of the handouts you claimed you've "never" received?

What's the "lie" I told?

I was responding to "bud" lover and fur licker sledbaby who was puking nonsense from his feeble mind ("I certainly hope that you have been spayed and can't reproduce.......we don't need any more people on the welfare rolls") when you chimed in with your own regurgitation. I have no desire to waste time engaging with imbeciles on here who can't follow a simple thread and have nothing but immature drivel to post. Of course they're low output Americans if they're on welfare. Who gives a **** what race they are? You can pretend race is a factor all you want. I'm not engaging that nonsense.

 

[atlkvb]

I was responding to "bud" lover and fur licker sledbaby who was puking nonsense from his feeble mind ("I certainly hope that you have been spayed and can't reproduce.......we don't need any more people on the welfare rolls") when you chimed in with your own regurgitation. I have no desire to waste time engaging with imbeciles on here who can't follow a simple thread and have nothing but immature drivel to post. Of course they're low output Americans if they're on welfare. Who gives a **** what race they are? You can pretend race is a factor all you want. I'm not engaging that nonsense.

Fine. How about my "True" "False" quiz I posted to you?

Are you a Socialist? Won't admit to that, OK...

So does it at least have a track record of success in World History? Can't answer that, OK.

So what do you believe? What is your "truth"?

What is your alternative to Conservative Free market entrepreneurial Capitalism with low taxes and limited Government which you are so adamantly opposed to?

Educate the OT forum with your perfect solutions to what ails us?

 

[American Fabius]

Fine. How about my "True" "False" quiz I posted to you?

Are you a Socialist? Won't admit to that, OK...

So does it at least have a track record of success in World History? Can't answer that, OK.

So what do you believe? What is your "truth"?

What is your alternative to Conservative Free market entrepreneurial Capitalism with low taxes and limited Government which you are so adamantly opposed to?

Educate the OT forum with your perfect solutions to what ails us?

 

[atlkvb]

What's this Fabius? Speechless?