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atlkvb

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So that 20% unvaccinated adult population accounts for the bulk of hospitalizations, and its not even close.
Understood, but my other question is within that percentage of Covid cases who are "vaccinated" (if any)...how are they being infected? From the unvaccinated? From the vaccinated? I guess what I want to know is how effective are the vaccinations among folks who are getting them? Are none of them being infected? If so, how?

Are any folks who've already had Covid and tested positive for antibodies coming in with new infections? Why are folks who've already been vaccinated still showing up with infections if they are indeed among the new cases coming in for treatments?
 

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I think I explained it but the small percentage of unvaccinated adults account for the vast bulk of hospitalizations.
OK, so then there are indeed some folks who are fully vaccinated showing up for treatments? Correct?

How many folks who have survived a Covid infection and tested positive for anti-bodies are showing up with new cases of Covid? It's not a "got-cha" question, I sincerely want to know?

Do you know?
 

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OK, so then there are indeed some folks who are fully vaccinated showing up for treatments? Correct?

How many folks who have survived a Covid infection and tested positive for anti-bodies are showing up with new cases of Covid? It's not a "got-cha" question, I sincerely want to know?

Do you know?

Yes absolutely.

Generally, very old people who are vaccinated but in poor health.

Also, I believe they count hospitalization for anyone coming to hospital...so if someone panics because of a cough and go to ER- that's a hospitalization even though its minor.

I dont know the answer to your 2nd question, I'd be its a low number though.
 

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the small percentage of unvaccinated adults account for the vast bulk of hospitalizations.
I get that, you've explained that well. However I'm still trying to find out what percentage among that small percentage of Covid patients coming in for treatment are "vaccinated"? If you don't know, then how do you know what percentage of the new Covid cases coming in for treatment are "unvaccinated"?

You can't know one without understanding the other. For instance, if you're sure 80% of the county's eligible population is "vaccinated", then by definition you know that 20% of the eligible population is "unvaccinated". So, if those folks represent 100% of the new cases coming in for Covid treatment....I have my answer. No "vaccinated" cases are showing up for treatment correct?

However if what you say is true and the "vast bulk" of the new Covid cases are "unvaccinated", then what's that percentage if it's not 100%? If you know that, then by definition you know how many coming in for treatment are "vaccinated". What's that percentage? That's what I'm trying to find out from you...and how are they getting infected?

Got it?
 

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I get that, you've explained that well. However I'm still trying to find out what percentage among that small percentage of Covid patients coming in for treatment are "vaccinated"? If you don't know, then how do you know what percentage of the new Covid cases coming in for treatment are "unvaccinated"?

You can't know one without understanding the other. For instance, if you're sure 80% of the county's eligible population is "vaccinated", then by definition you know that 20% of the eligible population is "unvaccinated". So, if those folks represent 100% of the new cases coming in for Covid treatment....I have my answer. No "vaccinated" cases are showing up for treatment correct?

However if what you say is true and the "vast bulk" of the new Covid cases are "unvaccinated", then what's that percentage if it's not 100%? If you know that, then by definition you know how many coming in for treatment are "vaccinated". What's that percentage? That's what I'm trying to find out from you...and how are they getting infected?

Got it?

I'm not sure what you are saying....

If the hospital has 100 COVID patients in ICU, 70 - 90 of them are unvaccinated and the remainder is vaccinated.
 

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I dont know the answer to your 2nd question, I'd be its a low number though.
I'm being perfectly honest with you (I have relatives who also work in health care) I have never EVER heard of a case of a patient who tested positive for anti-bodies showing up in an ER ward with Covid.

NEVER

I have however learned of many, hundreds, even thousands of "fully vaccinated" folks showing up with severe cases of Covid...some of them have even taken booster shots, and have gotten sick from them!

Fact. My friend.
 

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I'm not sure what you are saying....

If the hospital has 100 COVID patients in ICU, 70 - 90 of them are unvaccinated and the remainder is vaccinated.
I'm curious how "fully vaccinated" folks even show up with Covid? As I said, I'm not aware of folks who test positive for anti-bodies (natural immunity) ever getting Covid a second time.

Are you?
 

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I'm curious how "fully vaccinated" folks even show up with Covid? As I said, I'm not aware of folks who test positive for anti-bodies (natural immunity) ever getting Covid a second time.

Are you?

Yes, there have been plenty.

You can catch it again but if you've already had it the symptoms would be mild most likely...depending on your health at the times.
 

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@Darth_VadEER...just FYI


excerpt:
Eminent independent scientists and researchers in the fields of immunology and microbiology have been writing to medical regulators since early 2021 [3], warning of vaccine-related blood clotting and bleeding, including that the official data on blood abnormalities post-vaccination likely represent ā€œjust the tip of a huge icebergā€ [4]. Those scientists’ warnings pre-dated vaccine suspensions around the world due to acute disease from aberrant blood clotting post-vaccination. The warnings were based on established immunological science, applied to the novel mechanism of action of the gene-based COVID- 19 vaccines.
Now, more than six months later, new discoveries in the immunology of SARS-CoV-2 [5] have caught up with the rushed vaccination schedule, confirming and extending the experts’ prior warnings.
 

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You can do your own homework but my county health website states there has been nearly 300 reinfections.

I'm sure my county isn't the only one to track reinfections, or list them.

OK...I'll post the stats I find on re-infections of Covid patients testing positive for anti bodies. That was my question.
 

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@Darth_VadEER

This is the best I could find....while it's true there are instances of re-infections after the presence of Covid anti-bodies, it is rare.


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About 3% to 4% of people with negative antibody tests got COVID-19 in each time period. But those who had antibodies were less likely to have COVID-19 as time went on. Only 0.3% of the people with antibodies had a positive COVID-19 test more than 90 days after. Those without antibodies were 10 times more likely to get the disease.

...more


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Based on what we know right now, risk of reinfection is low for at least the first 6 months following an infection with the virus that causes COVID-19

...more


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We don’t know yet whether you can get COVID-19 again if you have antibodies. For some infections, having antibodies protects people from getting the infection again. For other infections, it doesn’t.

Statistics:


  • The immune systems of more than 95% of people who recovered from COVID-19 had durable memories of the virus up to eight months after infection.

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The research was funded in part by NIH’s National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID) and National Cancer Institute (NCI). Results were published on January 6, 2021, in Science.

The researchers found durable immune responses in the majority of people studied. Antibodies against the spike protein of SARS-CoV-2, which the virus uses to get inside cells, were found in 98% of participants one month after symptom onset. As seen in previous studies, the number of antibodies ranged widely between individuals. But, promisingly, their levels remained fairly stable over time, declining only modestly at 6 to 8 months after infection.

Virus-specific B cells increased over time. People had more memory B cells six months after symptom onset than at one month afterwards. Although the number of these cells appeared to reach a plateau after a few months, levels didn’t decline over the period studied.
 

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@Darth_VadEER

This is the best I could find....while it's true there are instances of re-infections after the presence of Covid anti-bodies, it is rare.


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About 3% to 4% of people with negative antibody tests got COVID-19 in each time period. But those who had antibodies were less likely to have COVID-19 as time went on. Only 0.3% of the people with antibodies had a positive COVID-19 test more than 90 days after. Those without antibodies were 10 times more likely to get the disease.

...more


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Based on what we know right now, risk of reinfection is low for at least the first 6 months following an infection with the virus that causes COVID-19

...more


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We don’t know yet whether you can get COVID-19 again if you have antibodies. For some infections, having antibodies protects people from getting the infection again. For other infections, it doesn’t.

Statistics:


  • The immune systems of more than 95% of people who recovered from COVID-19 had durable memories of the virus up to eight months after infection.

excerpt:
The research was funded in part by NIH’s National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID) and National Cancer Institute (NCI). Results were published on January 6, 2021, in Science.

The researchers found durable immune responses in the majority of people studied. Antibodies against the spike protein of SARS-CoV-2, which the virus uses to get inside cells, were found in 98% of participants one month after symptom onset. As seen in previous studies, the number of antibodies ranged widely between individuals. But, promisingly, their levels remained fairly stable over time, declining only modestly at 6 to 8 months after infection.

Virus-specific B cells increased over time. People had more memory B cells six months after symptom onset than at one month afterwards. Although the number of these cells appeared to reach a plateau after a few months, levels didn’t decline over the period studied.

Didn't read
 

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Editor's note to @Darth_VadEER ...see what I've always regretted discussing this issue is the lack of solid, well researched, factual information about the virus. Instead kneejerk reactions and responses to serious questions about it replace careful, detailed, and unbiased research into the origins of the virus, treatment of it, causes of death from it, and most importantly survivability of patients infected.

It is not a death sentence, and I think the main news media overall has been completely irresponsible spreading that type of fear among folks. While it is most certainly a very contagious and potentially dangerous virus, it is equally treatable or easily prevented with the right nutrition, vitamin supplements and therapeutics for the known population most at risk. What sadly isn't being reported are the mitigating health factors behind most Covid fatalities, the successful survivability rates among those infected with healthy immune systems, and the outstanding chances of avoiding re-infection through naturally acquired immunity with Covid-19 anti-bodies!

In blogging with you on this, I've tried to elevate the discussion and provide accurate information by asking serious questions and earnestly seeking factual data in support of the correct risk analysis from this potentially fatal pathogen. There is no need in my opinion to denigrate anyone who is genuinely concerned about the adverse risks from these still largely unproven vaccines, and there is absolutely no reason to force people who remain skeptical of their overall effectiveness at preventing Covid infections, to receive the vaccinations.

I hope you appreciate the respect I've shown you sharing information on this issue, and I hope you remember to practice the same type of respect to others when offering your own views about it.
 

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Editor's note to @Darth_VadEER ...see what I've always regretted discussing this issue is the lack of solid, well researched, factual information about the virus. Instead kneejerk reactions and responses to serious questions about it replace careful, detailed, and unbiased research into the origins of the virus, treatment of it, causes of death from it, and most importantly survivability of patients infected.

It is not a death sentence, and I think the main news media overall has been completely irresponsible spreading that type of fear among folks. While it is most certainly a very contagious and potentially dangerous virus, it is equally treatable or easily prevented with the right nutrition, vitamin supplements and therapeutics for the known population most at risk. What sadly isn't being reported are the mitigating health factors behind most Covid fatalities, the successful survivability rates among those infected with healthy immune systems, and the outstanding chances of avoiding re-infection through naturally acquired immunity with Covid-19 anti-bodies!

In blogging with you on this, I've tried to elevate the discussion and provide accurate information by asking serious questions and earnestly seeking factual data in support of the correct risk analysis from this potentially fatal pathogen. There is no need in my opinion to denigrate anyone who is genuinely concerned about the adverse risks from these still largely unproven vaccines, and there is absolutely no reason to force people who remain skeptical of their overall effectiveness at preventing Covid infections, to receive the vaccinations.

I hope you appreciate the respect I've shown you sharing information on this issue, and I hope you remember to practice the same type of respect to others when offering your own views about it.
If the vaccine does not stop the spread & wont stop a person from getting it , why should it be mandated?
 

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That's fine. I didn't post all of that just for you! What you don't want to know is on YOU Bro...but remember you're the one who lowered the give-n-take on this discussion earlier ITT by calling unvaccinated folks such as myself "morons". The only thing "moronic" IMO about not informing oneself of all accessible information about this virus is calling other folks names who seek to do so.
 

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That's fine. I didn't post all of that just for you! What you don't want to know is on YOU Bro...but remember you're the one who lowered the give-n-take on this discussion earlier ITT by calling unvaccinated folks such as myself "morons". The only thing "moronic" IMO about not informing oneself of all accessible information about this virus is calling other folks names who seek to do so.

I cant really take this walk with you because I have too many other things in life that keep me busy.

Earlier today I coached 3 youth basketball games, then had a family dinner of 20. I have a big family and being a COVID RESEARCHER isn't how I want to spend my time.

I made a decision to put COVID out of my life. I'm strongly against masks, govt mandates, vaccine mandates, ect. In fact, I was a driving force in local elections which swung blue seats to red for the first time in decades...real change. I actually put personal resources and skin into beating back this ******** - your keyboard heroics dont impress me.

If you want to post word vomit and die on this hill, be my guest. I dont care...go for it.

If being an anti-vaccer is your purpose in life, no one is standing in your way. Its a loser cause and you'll be left looking like a joke..
 
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atlkvb

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I cant really take this walk with you because I have too many other things in life that keep me busy.

Earlier today I coached 3 youth basketball games, then had a family dinner of 20. I have a big family and being a COVID RESEARCHER isn't how I want to spend my time.

I made a decision to put COVID out of my life. I'm strongly against masks, govt mandates, vaccine mandates, ect. In fact, I was a driving force in local elections which swung blue seats to red for the first time in decades...real change.

If you want to post word vomit and die on this hill, be my guest. I dont care...go for it.

If being an anti-vaccer is your purpose in life, no one is standing in your way.
Hey guy...I AM "vaccinated"...with my own immune system, Thank you Lord Jesus! Tell 'ya what VadEER....you do you, and I'll do me... and I think that will work well for the both of us huh?

As for my "word vomit".....I'll leave you with this....

Did I get 'ya??????? 🤣
 

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Hey guy...I AM "vaccinated"...with my own immune system, Thank you Lord Jesus! Tell 'ya what VadEER....you do you, and I'll do me... and I think that will work well for the both of us huh?

As for my "word vomit".....I'll leave you with this....

Did I get 'ya??????? 🤣

No one cares...stop being insecure.

I've told you from the beginning. I don't give a ****.