It's just very suspicious that a player will accept a greyshirt at one SEC school

[UnderclassHero]

It's just very suspicious that a player will accept a greyshirt at one SEC school

while having a scholarship offer at another, i.e. Collins Moore. He has turned down a scholarship offer from Kentucky to pay his own way for a semester at Ole Miss. They have a handful of players greyshirting at Ole Miss instead of playing scholarship football elsewhere. Now I can maybe understand turning down Arkansas State for a chance at a scholarship at Ole Miss, but aguaranteedspot at Kentucky. That's absurd. It really makes one wonder what the "greyshirt" offers really involve. Joe Price decommitted/was released from us after Singleton chose Ole Miss. Look for him to accept a greyshirt at Ole Miss. The day before Singleton chose, Joe was telling people that him, Singleton and Brassell would all be at Ole Miss next year. Throw all that on top of three players publically and one privatelycommitted to one school suddenly switching to a rival school after the first school won big in a New Years Day bowl. I just don't see how this doesn't throw up red flags to the NCAA. I know Brassell and Singleton were questionable, but Whitehead and Johnson were solid. Whitehead wasecstaticwhen Brassellsurprisinglycommitted to State. Whitehead and Johnson were solid to State before they were sold to Ole Miss.

 

[UnderclassHero]

It's just very suspicious that a player will accept a greyshirt at one SEC school

while having a scholarship offer at another, i.e. Collins Moore. He has turned down a scholarship offer from Kentucky to pay his own way for a semester at Ole Miss. They have a handful of players greyshirting at Ole Miss instead of playing scholarship football elsewhere. Now I can maybe understand turning down Arkansas State for a chance at a scholarship at Ole Miss, but aguaranteedspot at Kentucky. That's absurd. It really makes one wonder what the "greyshirt" offers really involve. Joe Price decommitted/was released from us after Singleton chose Ole Miss. Look for him to accept a greyshirt at Ole Miss. The day before Singleton chose, Joe was telling people that him, Singleton and Brassell would all be at Ole Miss next year. Throw all that on top of three players publically and one privatelycommitted to one school suddenly switching to a rival school after the first school won big in a New Years Day bowl. I just don't see how this doesn't throw up red flags to the NCAA. I know Brassell and Singleton were questionable, but Whitehead and Johnson were solid. Whitehead wasecstaticwhen Brassellsurprisinglycommitted to State. Whitehead and Johnson were solid to State before they were sold to Ole Miss.

 

[sleepy dawg]

It's just very suspicious that a player will accept a greyshirt at one SEC school

You should've stopped about halfway.

 

[tenureplan]

It's just very suspicious that a player will accept a greyshirt at one SEC school

.

 

[Rebels7]

It's just very suspicious that a player will accept a greyshirt at one SEC school

Ole Miss is paying greyshirts now? If only Obama would let the Ole Miss alumni fix the deficit.

 

[goodknight]

It's just very suspicious that a player will accept a greyshirt at one SEC school

has the option at Ky anymore, they moved on. Collins Moore

 

[UnderclassHero]

It's just very suspicious that a player will accept a greyshirt at one SEC school

I don't know. I'm just surprised a wide receiver who claims offers from Kentucky, Illinois, LSU and Vandy would greyshirt with your 4-8 program. I guess I'm dumb for questioning why players turn down scholarships at SEC schools to sit out a semester and pay their own way to yourprestigiousuniversity.

 

[Rebels7]

It's just very suspicious that a player will accept a greyshirt at one SEC school

I know you think everything is coming from the Grassy Knoll, but there is no way we are paying a kid to greyshirt. That is beyond retarded. Attempt, for just a minute, to think objectively.

 

[VirgilCain]

It's just very suspicious that a player will accept a greyshirt at one SEC school

to fill the void? Meaning they are going to be trying to fill up the scholarship roster.

 

[UnderclassHero]

It's just very suspicious that a player will accept a greyshirt at one SEC school

All the money is invested in higher profile recruits. Why buy a civic, when you just bought a rolls royce.

 

[EAVdog]

It's just very suspicious that a player will accept a greyshirt at one SEC school

All you have to do is look at how Nutt's classes have evaporated between NSD and August and general player attrition as a whole in Oxford under Nutt. Most of the 4 and 5 star guys are never going to make it but they look great as far as Rivals and the fanbase are concerned.

He wouldn't be asking kids to greyshirt if he didn't know that they'll eventually get a scholarship. I'm sure that's what he's telling these kids, "you can have Jamar Hornsby, Rishaw Johnson, Pat Pat, Tig's et al scholarship when they're done with it".

 

[monkey11508.sixpack]

It's just very suspicious that a player will accept a greyshirt at one SEC school

Not only is Ole Miss paying its greyshirts, they are paying their walk-ons! Pretty soon OM will have all of the top players from MS on the payroll with or without scholarships! Houston Nutt says to hell with signing limits.

 

[RebelBruiser]

It's just very suspicious that a player will accept a greyshirt at one SEC school

So technically, if they accept a grayshirt and get the scholarship in January, it's one less player we can sign in the 2012 class. We'll still oversign though I'm sure and end up with a few grayshirts from that class too.

As far as Moore is concerned, he clearly didn't find out about the grayshirt offer until his visit which was not this past weekend but the weekend before (1/21). At that point, his next serious offer was from Kentucky, and I think it may have been too late for him to jump on the boat there.

His options were to stick with Ole Miss and wait a semester to join the team, or go somewhere like Arkansas State.

It sucks for him, and it's pretty crappy to have to tell someone that late in the process they'll have to sit out a semester, leaving them with few options, but it happens when you close with a lot of your top targets.

It's just a loophole around the scholarship limitations, and we've been exploiting it pretty much every year Nutt has been at Ole Miss. If you're one of those borderline prospects that may not be at the top of our board, you might want to pay attention just in case. Committing early doesn't necessarily mean you have a spot in the fall.

It's a lot like Alabama loopholing around the 85 rule by actively making cuts of players every year who are already on scholarship. If you can loophole around the numbers and give yourself extra back up, people will do it. We're grayshirting Miller, the QB too. Artez Brown is now going to Arkansas State, because he chose not to accept our grayshirt offer. Mike Marry, Evan Swindall, and Cameron Whigham all accepted a form of a grayshirt or walk on from the 2009 class. And because we did that, the numbers for that class are still strong despite the fact that it experienced a good bit of attrition.

Let's say that Singleton, Brassell, Johnson, and Whitehead all had a change of heart overnight. Throw in Aaron Morris and a couple others, do you think Mullen would tell some of them he doesn't have room and that they'll have to sit out a year if they want to come, or do you think he'd start going around to certain players that were lower on your commitment list to ask them to sit out a semester to make room? Maybe he'd turn away the blue chips, but I doubt it. I'd bet he'd be scrambling to find room. I don't know how you solve the problem really. I'm trying to think of rules that could fix it, but I don't know that there are any unless you did away with scholarship limits.

 

[EAVdog]

It's just very suspicious that a player will accept a greyshirt at one SEC school

I'm just saying that both Nutt and the player probably have a reasonable expectation of him receiving a scholarship in the near future. Recent history at UM shows a higher than average rate of attrition for the last few years.Having built-in replacements is obviously a working strategy for Nutt. It's not something Nutt is the pioneer of or only coach engaging in the practice.

I'm not judging either way.

 

[tenureplan]

It's just very suspicious that a player will accept a greyshirt at one SEC school

that you will be the next victim of the ban-hammer

 

[RebelBruiser]

It's just very suspicious that a player will accept a greyshirt at one SEC school

And I think it's pretty crappy to do to a player, especially at the last minute. That said, I'd rather us be in position to do that to players to make room for others than to be in position where we're having to scramble to fill our class with last minute additions. We've been in both spots and screwing a few players that may be low on your list anyway is preferrable to screwing the program.

 

[EAVdog]

It's just very suspicious that a player will accept a greyshirt at one SEC school

After this year I feel a lot differently about the well being of recruits. I've never seen this much de-commiting/re-commiting before ever. And not just State commits, everywhere. I've been following Jamie Newberg on espn via twitter. Half of his tweets are some kid swithced his commitment. GT had a kid switch from ND to GT and back to ND in less than 30 hrs.

Having given reviews to college age kids in the last few years I can tell you this generation is about as maleable as they come.
As bad as it may be for this kid it's not like oversigning hasn't been talked about this year. Houston Nutt was specifically singled out as a major perpetrator in a few different news media. Maybe it comes back to bite Nutt in the end, I doubt it though.</p>

 

[RebelBruiser]

It's just very suspicious that a player will accept a greyshirt at one SEC school

It's a business of lies and half truths that goes both ways, so I see your point.

I completely understand the coach's perspective. You have to offer more players than you have room to sign/bring in, because you never know when they're going to switch on you, get a better offer, whatever, and if you can sign more than your allotment, you do it and then try to cram them in. Someone's going to get burned by it. If you look back at the guys we've had grayshirt or walk on, they're typically out of state guys. I assume that's by design, with only a few exceptions, because of the risk of burning a bridge, like you said.

I've noticed a lot of Saban's cuts have seemed to be Mississippi guys, and I assume that's for the same reason. He doesn't need to worry about burning those bridges nearly as much as he has to worry about the ones in Alabama, but he still wants to protect his own interests. I assume if it comes down to 2 "equal" players who are on the brink of being asked to grayshirt or be cut, the out of state one is going to get the cut every time.

 

[Irondawg]

It's just very suspicious that a player will accept a greyshirt at one SEC school

Sure, you'll still ahve some of this, but if you fill up half your spots early then it's easier to manage the remaining spots.

 

[PanhandleDawg]

It's just very suspicious that a player will accept a greyshirt at one SEC school

http://oversigning.com/testing/

oversignbigtimeku

 

[Rebels7]

It's just very suspicious that a player will accept a greyshirt at one SEC school

Might as well use Bleacher Report.

 

[patdog]

It's just very suspicious that a player will accept a greyshirt at one SEC school

One site makes a legitimate attempt to verify numbers while the other lets anyone who wants to to write any ******** article they want to. If any of the Oversigning.com numbers are wrong, you should e-mail them and correct them. In fact, they're specifically asking if anyone has left your team since last year that they don't know about. It's not like we have too much room to be too critical of you anyway. You're oversigning more than we are, but we're both two of only nine schools nationwide that are oversigning.

 

[Rebels7]

It's just very suspicious that a player will accept a greyshirt at one SEC school

Apparently not. Don't peruse it. Actually read it. Think for yourself and then get back to me.

Oversigning.com is a Big Ten propaganda site. It's no different than that horeshit site saying Slive was going to kick Auburn out of the SEC.

This is not about Ole Miss-State. This is Big Ten elitism at it's best, and if you fall for it, then so be it.

 

[BiscuitEater]

It's just very suspicious that a player will accept a greyshirt at one SEC school

Apparently not. Don't peruse it. Actually read it. Think for yourself and then get back to me.

Oversigning.com is a Big Ten propaganda site.

I did read both and oversigning was 'spot on' last year with the numbers and was saying that two would have to be 'cut'weeks before Porter got the news. It counted down the numbers last year as Bama players either transferred or got 'medical harships.'

The numbers may be off by a couple for each school, but fans can email the site and they 'want' the right numbers. OM number does not include Lockett coming back, so you can add in another +1. As far as Big 10 'propaganda,' check back to last years info note thatLSU and Bama had the most players to 'cut.' You don't think the 'other' site is a little slanted?

Oversigning is a 'media' event waiting to happen and the SEC will be forced to do something soon ... Just like the "Nutt" rule when HDN signed 37.

Biscuit

 

[NewTweederEndzoneDance]

It's just very suspicious that a player will accept a greyshirt at one SEC school

that would be too simple and logical to think of though apparently...

 

[patdog]

It's just very suspicious that a player will accept a greyshirt at one SEC school

And how can facts be propaganda?

 

[WasteOfChevronsMoney]

It's just very suspicious that a player will accept a greyshirt at one SEC school

medical student in residency programs. It a generalization of the solution to the "stable marriage problem," which is a way of matching men and women such that if there are n men and n women, each of whom has ranked all members of the opposite sex from 1 to n, for each man there is no woman whom he prefers to the woman to whom he's been matched who also prefers him to the man to whom she's been matched, and for each woman there is no man whom she prefers to the man to whom she has been matched who also prefers her to the woman to whom he's been matched.

Basically, all the med students list the residencies they want from most preferable to least preferable, and each residency program lists all their applicants from most preferable to least preferable. It all goes into a computer that applies the algorithm and matches everyone such that for every student, there is no residency program that he prefers to the one to which he's been matched that also prefers him to any of the students to which it has been matched, and for every residency program, there is no student that it prefers to any of the students to which it has been matched that also prefers it to the program to which it has been matched.

I don't see any reason a similar system couldn't be used for college football, and it would immediately put an end to all the dirty recruiting and save both schools and players from this game of cutting or switching at the last minute. Has something like this ever been brought up by the NCAA?

 

[Rebels7]

It's just very suspicious that a player will accept a greyshirt at one SEC school

I don't know. The number may be spot on. But you're clearly missing the point.

Nothing that Nutt (or any other coach [Saban]) is doing anything against the rules. These people are using this as some moral jumping off point as to why the Southern teams (SEC in particular) are lower quality teams and programs. And because it is something that makes Ole Miss looks bad, you're agreeing.

The Midwest teams (and you) are eating this **** up. They are because they are using it as an excuse as to why they get their collective *** kicked every December and January. You are because it's something that you think makes your in state rival look bad.

When the NCAA makes whatever several schools are doing illegal, then you can *****. Until then, jump in line with all the Ohio State elitists telling you that they are better than you.

I'll tell them to @%!+ off.

 

[rebelthustra]

It's just very suspicious that a player will accept a greyshirt at one SEC school

last year we somewhere in the 79-82 range. 2. They only count graduating seniors leaving and do not account for attrition. We've had at least five leave since Rishaw Johnson got kicked off the team in September. I can't give you an exact number, but we're closer to being 5 over than than 15 over. Also their links to our "rosters" don't go to OM rosters. All they did is assume we had 85 and subtract our Orgeroned group of seniors.

 

[patdog]

It's just very suspicious that a player will accept a greyshirt at one SEC school

Interesting.

 

[Rebels7]

It's just very suspicious that a player will accept a greyshirt at one SEC school

You can frame it however you want, but that's the case.

Do I wish that every player that Ole Miss' coach was interested in could come here for free? Yes. But they can't. So sometimes coaches (even Saint Dan) have to choose between players. Especially when several players want to come to your school.

It's just the way it is, regardless of whether you live in the real world or not.

 

[patdog]

It's just very suspicious that a player will accept a greyshirt at one SEC school

but didn't have that information for Mississippi (which they ask for anyone to update them with on the site). So that gets you down to about +9 and no longer leading the nation (assuming their numbers for Bama and USC are right). But thanks for finally answering my question. Depending on how it's handled, some oversigning isn't all that ****** to a player (i.e. if a recruit commits knowing he may be asked to greyshirt). </p>

 

[studentdawg87]

It's just very suspicious that a player will accept a greyshirt at one SEC school

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