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It's obvious why the SEC is so poor at basketball. No fundamentals. No IQ.

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NewTweederEndzoneDance

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It's the same complaints we had about Stansbury. No one in the SEC teaches any basketball fundamentals. At all. Hell, Mizzou is a basketball fundamentals clinic compared the the rest of the SEC, and Colorado State is making them look like they've never worked on a basketball fundamental in their existence. I'm amazed at how playing a full schedule against a slate of teams whose idea of "fundamentals" is attempting highlight real dunks and tackling people can ruin a teams' basketball IQ.

The SEC can get away with out athleting everyone in football because the athleticism along the lines is what sets the league apart, but basketball actually requires some IQ. It's painfully obvious that the athletes in this conference lack that. If I were a successful mid-major coach, I wouldn't want to coach in the SEC either.

Who was it that said that the next SEC basketball powerhouse will be whichever program realizes that all they need to do is go recruit the Midwest instead of the South? Kudos to that person.
 
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DAWG61

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Frank Haith sucked at Miami. I have no clue why Mizzou hired him? He's getting out rebounded 34-13 right now. I'd be pissed if I was a Mizzou fan. That team is loaded with talent.
 
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I agree with this post. I'm a huge fan of the way Butler does things (obviously), along with VCU. There is a reason why teams like these make it deep in the tournament each year. On top of playing hard, these type schools are smart on the floor. Rick Ray going out of state to get guys is a huge plus in my mind. While I love the state of Mississippi, and I realize good prospects come out of here, most all of them enter the college game with a well-below average knowledge of the game other than "go hoop." It may bother some people on this board, but I'm actually all for going for a "lower-rated" player in the recruiting rankings if he has a high basketball IQ and a high work ethic. A team full of those guys actually makes for a good TEAM --- not an And-1 mixtape tour show.
 
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NewTweederEndzoneDance said:
It's the same complaints we had about Stansbury. No one in the SEC teaches any basketball fundamentals. At all. Hell, Mizzou is a basketball fundamentals clinic compared the the rest of the SEC, and Colorado State is making them look like they've never worked on a basketball fundamental in their existence. I'm amazed at how playing a full schedule against a slate of teams whose idea of "fundamentals" is attempting highlight real dunks and tackling people can ruin a teams' basketball IQ.

The SEC can get away with out athleting everyone in football because the athleticism along the lines is what sets the league apart, but basketball actually requires some IQ. It's painfully obvious that the athletes in this conference lack that. If I were a successful mid-major coach, I wouldn't want to coach in the SEC either.
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Are you just now figuring this out?
 
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NewTweederEndzoneDance said:
It's the same complaints we had about Stansbury.
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I don't think Stansbury was a great x's and o's coach, but I do think a lot of people (me included) have judged him unfairly at times because the basketball IQ of his players has not been capable of learning better execution. You can still fault him for not recruiting smarter players, but that was probably a very concious choice he had to make when making tradeoffs between athletic ability and basketball IQ.
 
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MetEdDawg

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There are a lot of coaches in the SEC that haven't been there long.

The landscape of the conference should be very interesting in 3 years. Out of the 14 teams in the conference, only 4 schools have coaches that have been at their school more than 3 years. Calipari, Stallings, Donovan and Kennedy. That's astonishing to have that few tenured head coaches in a conference as big as the SEC.

There have been a lot of dysfunctional programs over the last few years in conference and it's going to take a while for the level of play to come back up. I'm very interested to see if we are able to buck the trend of recent coaching hires. Everyone in the SEC has been hiring hot mid major coaches. We are the only school to have a recent hire that wasn't a former HC and Missouri is the only other recent SEC hire that wasn't a mid major head coach. Interested to see if us hiring an assistant with major program experience gives us better results than the mid major head coaches the rest of the SEC have been hiring.
 
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He really did. 1 tournament appearance in 7 years. Not sure what Missouri saw in him.

Miami Hurricanes (Atlantic Coast Conference) <small>(2004–2010)</small>
2004–2005Miami16–137–9T–6thNIT 1st Round
2005–2006Miami18–167–9T–7thNIT Quarterfinals
2006–2007Miami12–204–1212th
2007–2008Miami23–118–8T–5thNCAA 2nd Round
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I personally agree with both of you on multiple levels. I would much rather recruit and invest in someone who wants to stay multiple years. I wouldn't be surprised to see the NCAA mandate 2 year college/NBA rule, I say within the next five years. Coach Cal is starting something that will eventually be the center of the snowball. Just a hunch.
 
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johnson86-1 said:
I don't think Stansbury was a great x's and o's coach, but I do think a lot of people (me included) have judged him unfairly at times because the basketball IQ of his players has not been capable of learning better execution. You can still fault him for not recruiting smarter players, but that was probably a very concious choice he had to make when making tradeoffs between athletic ability and basketball IQ.
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I can't imagine how difficult it was to coach a team with Dee Bost as your PG for 4 years. I know it was hard to watch.
 
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Lettuce said:
I personally agree with both of you on multiple levels. I would much rather recruit and invest in someone who wants to stay multiple years. I wouldn't be surprised to see the NCAA mandate 2 year college/NBA rule, I say within the next five years. Coach Cal is starting something that will eventually be the center of the snowball. Just a hunch.
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i don't think the NCAA can mandate how long a player has to stay in school.
 
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Wow Frank Haith is just an awful hire and now he's under investigation from his days in Miami. They were a 17ing 2 seed last year (30-4) and he gets bounced first round to 15 seed Norfolk State. Followed up by this turd season.
 
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Obviously these AAU geniuses suck as coaches down here too. I agree with your

post, street ball won't carry you very far in the NCAA Tourney.
 
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DAWG61 said:
Frank Haith sucked at Miami. I have no clue why Mizzou hired him? He's getting out rebounded 34-13 right now. I'd be pissed if I was a Mizzou fan. That team is loaded with talent.
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Cut him some slack. CSU is the best rebounding team in the country.
They had no chance to begin with.
 
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Lettuce said:
I wouldn't be surprised to see the NCAA mandate 2 year college/NBA rule, I say within the next five years.
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Well, since there is no way on this earth the NCAA could ever possibly even begin to enforce any rule like this, I would be shocked to see them mandate it.
 
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Lettuce said:
I personally agree with both of you on multiple levels. I would much rather recruit and invest in someone who wants to stay multiple years. I wouldn't be surprised to see the NCAA mandate 2 year college/NBA rule, I say within the next five years. Coach Cal is starting something that will eventually be the center of the snowball. Just a hunch.
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It is the NBA that sets how old a player must be to be draft eligible. Just as it is the NFL that says a player must be 3 years removed from high school before they can be drafted. The NCAA has no legal ability to set how long a player must stay in school.
 
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The NCAA is not the government....

Lettuce said:
I personally agree with both of you on multiple levels. I would much rather recruit and invest in someone who wants to stay multiple years. I wouldn't be surprised to see the NCAA mandate 2 year college/NBA rule, I say within the next five years. Coach Cal is starting something that will eventually be the center of the snowball. Just a hunch.
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They have no authority to force someone to stay in college nor can they mandate a private business (NBA) not to hire someone. Their only option would be to go after the players with something similar to a non-compete agreement like we in the business world have to sign but I cannot see that working here since CBB players are not employed by the university.

The only thing they can do is try and get the NBA to adopt a policy similar to what the NFL does. Don't see that happening.
 
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Bjarnason_Clucas said:
It is the NBA that sets how old a player must be to be draft eligible. Just as it is the NFL that says a player must be 3 years removed from high school before they can be drafted. The NCAA has no legal ability to set how long a player must stay in school.
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I understand that the NCAA can't enforce this rule and the NBA wouldn't do it either but what about the way a college baseball player at a 4 year school has to wait until after his junior year or 21st birthday. Why couldn't something like that be put into place?
 
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I agree with this post. I'm a huge fan of the way Butler does things (obviously), along with VCU. There is a reason why teams like these make it deep in the tournament each year. On top of playing hard, these type schools are smart on the floor. Rick Ray going out of state to get guys is a huge plus in my mind. While I love the state of Mississippi, and I realize good prospects come out of here, most all of them enter the college game with a well-below average knowledge of the game other than "go hoop." It may bother some people on this board, but I'm actually all for going for a "lower-rated" player in the recruiting rankings if he has a high basketball IQ and a high work ethic. A team full of those guys actually makes for a good TEAM --- not an And-1 mixtape tour show.
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Even Andy Kennedy has changed his recruiting to avoid these types of players. Last year he signed Henderson, Newby (Memphis), Millinghaus (NY), and Cortesia (Venezuela, don't think he played any AAU ball). The incoming class includes two European players (Joessar from Finland, who didn't play AAU and played in Europe instead) and Saiz (played on an U-20 Spain National Team and just showed up to the US this year) and a MS product (Coleby).

The AAU circuit, especially in the South, is ruining these players.
 
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You cannot completely ignore MS players and win here, though. I agree in theory with what you're saying. It sounds great and all, but to get our talent on par with the competition, we HAVE to recruit MS players. Our program is popular enough though that yes, we can recruit out of state half the time.
 
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MSU_Realist said:
I understand that the NCAA can't enforce this rule and the NBA wouldn't do it either but what about the way a college baseball player at a 4 year school has to wait until after his junior year or 21st birthday. Why couldn't something like that be put into place?
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that's a MLB rule- not NCAA
 
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Most of Stans's teams played very fundamentally sound defense. We were consistently at the top of the conference and sometimes nation in defense and rebounding. Those are things that can be taught to atheletic players easier than offensive skills. He was just average on offense, running a basic motion.

I actually have thought for a while that Stansbury was trying to recruit a little differently in an effort to get those higher basketball IQ guys, and our overall aleticism, and really our talent level, declined because of it. We used to sign more and bigger big men, but started signing fewer big men and more guards, and the big men we did sign were often more perimeter type players. I think in so doing he got away from what he did best.
 
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coach66 said:
post, street ball won't carry you very far in the NCAA Tourney.
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I've been saying for years that the AAU culture is bad for the college game. We are starting to see the results and its not just in the SEC.

The only thing that makes college basketball watchable, is the excitement of the lose and or go home nature of March Madness. Otherwise, give me the NBA any day of the week for quality of play.
 
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Ahh, I understand. So other than $, why is it not mandated by the Nba? An extra year in college and an overall deeper talent pool.....whats the hold up? Besides 1or 2 guys a year, who really benefits? The d league? The owners? I would like to see the revenue spent on failing 1&dones compared to the 1-3 players a year that actually help a team win or generate the NBA money. I would like to see trends, piecharts, bar graphs....ENGIE? Where the hell is engie?
 
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This is why someone from the Big Ten will win the National Championship. They have both athleticsm and sound fundamentals.
 
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