It's official: Jordan Goodwin to SLU
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So here's the thing - I felt that NU was all in on Godwin and thought they could steal Evans but that was conjecture based on Twitter and interviews. But there are still guys out there Nwora, Gaines, Eastern, Flagg who would be great gets. But no one knows where NU stands with these guys. But any combo of 2 of these 4 would be amazing.
Huh? Unhealthy because he went with the coach he had formed a relationship with? Who might well be a great guy? Do you know him?
Hiring coaches, fathers, brothers, sisters, etc. seems to be the new mode du jour to get big time prospects to commit. I think that's unhealthy.
It was SLU. There was no second. They can get him in. Illinois was going to struggle to get him in even with two of his buddies in the class. If he wasn't getting into Illinois, he wasn't getting into NU. I also was told to "follow the money" by a sportswriter close to the situation. NU obviously wasn't going to do that. Neither was Illinois.
I told you last week that it was SLU for several reasons. This was not a surprise today.
Start?
It was a rough start in June, or maybe last November.
This is a 24-plus month process with two months left. Let's hope for good news soon...
Follow the money? That's a helluva serious charge with absolutely no accountability. I absolutely hate it when adults start trashing kids for making decisions that impact their lives. Everyone has "inside info," but nobody has the guts to back it up.
Combes is a tool. I'm not sure why you guys on the B-Ball Board tolerate him. He occasionally shows himself on the football board when he's caught a case of Illinois Football delirium and then never bothers to come back to eat crow when Illinois ends the season 2-10 culminating with a nice loss to Fitz and the Wildcats. It's all sour grapes with him.
I saw Goodwin play in the state tournament and frankly I was a bit underwhelmed. He is a bit of tweener. Obviously, he's a really good player and would have loved to see Northwestern get him but I did NOT see him as a program turner. Just an opinion off seeing him in a couple of games.
Gee, seems like I took quite the bashing when I began raising concerns in June. Hey Va, willy, the rest of you very nice responsive posters - thanks for all the kind words. Looking like you all were wrong... Again...
There is an interview with Collins talking the current state of recruiting over on 247, check it out.......
Well, the masters of distortion are out again. NU's state of recruiting is as follows: they are recruiting the top talent in Illinois and getting some of the top talent (Rapolas and Benson most recently). Every year, NU is in the running for the top 5-10 players in the state of Illinois. This has never happened before.
With Jordan G., they appeared to be a finalist but they lost out to a school that is closer and for other reasons like ties to an assistant coach. But there are many other highly ranked players still considering NU seriously and this staff will keep fighting. Young kids make decisions for many reasons. Remember Alvin Ellis a shooting guard from Chicago that went to MSU and probably will spend his senior season on the bench at MSU as they have recruited higher ranked younger players and his minutes have dwindled. The opportunities to go to NU and get more playing minutes early and get coached and developed by a great coaching staff are better and making history at NU are better than riding the bench at other schools which are viewed as having a better tradition but does not really mean much as setting a legacy. The state of NU recruiting is as high as it has ever been and the state of athleticism and skills on this year's team is as high as it has been and it is too bad that the naysayers can not realize that.
With Jordan G., they appeared to be a finalist but they lost out to a school that is closer and for other reasons like ties to an assistant coach. But there are many other highly ranked players still considering NU seriously and this staff will keep fighting. Young kids make decisions for many reasons. Remember Alvin Ellis a shooting guard from Chicago that went to MSU and probably will spend his senior season on the bench at MSU as they have recruited higher ranked younger players and his minutes have dwindled. The opportunities to go to NU and get more playing minutes early and get coached and developed by a great coaching staff are better and making history at NU are better than riding the bench at other schools which are viewed as having a better tradition but does not really mean much as setting a legacy. The state of NU recruiting is as high as it has ever been and the state of athleticism and skills on this year's team is as high as it has been and it is too bad that the naysayers can not realize that.
I forgot to mention that NU is recruiting the top talent from the nation (Texas, Ohio and elsewhere) in addition to recruiting the talent rich state of Illinois. So no, NU's recruiting momentum is strong.
The naysayers are being premature as is their wont. The recruiting season is long from over but too funny that they can not recognize the basketball talent on the current team and the level of talent that NU is recruiting. Failing again in their Analytical Basketball 101 skills.
Good insight into Collins' recruiting strategy for this class. By not settling for a good class vs. a great class, he's taking a calculated risk to raise the program to new heights. In this type of endeavor, whether in sports or in business, there will always be naysayers and the Bitchin Bobs out there, but this is the only way we can achieve a breakthrough. I have no doubt that at the end of this recruiting cycle, we will have a great class. No one said it would be easy.
There's still no reason for concern. Let's see what Eastern does and let's see if we strike out for the entire signing period before you gloat.
By the way, pretty sick to root against your supposedly favorite team.
I read it. But I have read lots of bball recruiting stuff. Agree it's early, but I think it isn't looking good. And those hidden gems will become more exposed and less available as we move into the next bball season.
NU struck out on a top 75. Who could have seen that coming?
Tomorrow's breaking news: The Sun Will Rise in the East.
The only poster who deserves kudos is the one who actually called the commitment and school with certainty and some true knowledge. Thanks for the insight, Combs.
I still find randomness of Goodwin's recruiting process surprising. He announced he was going to visit Mizzou and Illinois. In the same interview, he said he would announce his school in October.
And now he's done on August 13. Oh well, glad I don't make my living off the decisions of high school kids.
Tomorrow's breaking news: The Sun Will Rise in the East.
The only poster who deserves kudos is the one who actually called the commitment and school with certainty and some true knowledge. Thanks for the insight, Combs.
I still find randomness of Goodwin's recruiting process surprising. He announced he was going to visit Mizzou and Illinois. In the same interview, he said he would announce his school in October.
And now he's done on August 13. Oh well, glad I don't make my living off the decisions of high school kids.
There is no issue here regarding the current team. Duke, Louisville, MSU, Kentucky are almost always stacked. So, why then do they continue to recruit. Do you suggest we skip recruiting a class altogether if we don't land a stud? That sounds smart. Then, next year, Pardon or Benson goes down with season ending injury, who are you throwing in there? Are you confident enough in Ash and Brown to not worry if Mac goes down?
Next year is set, but the following season needs a big and a ball handler. Who you got?
Not rooting against them, but calling out each of you. Months ago, I was concerned and thought the state of recruiting was worthy of discussion. I was flamed by the koolaid klan, most back and accounted for here, and accused of being anti CCC, anti NU, a jerk. Well, looks like my concerns were well founded. So, yes, to all you that made your belittling comments, eat crow.
Perhaps the next worthy topic might be what to do if our A and B list are not coming. Hold the schollies and plan more 5th year transfers? Seek a real transfer or two in the next class? Bring in a giant 2018 class?
I am among the group that thinks we are two seasons out from seeing a real improvement on the court and in the standings. If so, then this season won't help next year's recruiting either. So, which way to go? Are you willing to roll the dice on a Vassar, Skelly, Lindsey type or rather tuck away schollies?
I hang up and listen while the koolaid klan continues their attacks and hope a few of the real bball minds might engage...
Why not just wait until the process is complete before declaring victory on the Class of 2017?
Bob wrote "concerned", then got flamed for it. He was rightfully concerned. A few more arrows in the quiver (it's Olympics season, people), but not many. I hope the Cats don't wind up swimming in a bay full of super-bacteria. (Olympics in Rio season, people.) (Then again, Wildcat Jordan Wilmovsky swims in the sludge - 10k open water marathon - Tuesday morning.) (Also, he's in the 1500 finals in 15 minutes.)
I can't say whether he's anti-Cats, but it takes a weird jabroni to spend free time on a message board of a team he roots against.
Deep thoughts by the most frequent naysayer:
1) Duke, UK and Louisville have won a number of NCAA titles over the past 25-30 years and they are called blue blood programs. Louisville is embroiled in one of these biggest recruiting scandals. Comparing NU's recruiting to Duke and Kentucky who attract more McDonald All-Americans than any other programs is comparing apples to oranges;
2) NU has a number of scholarship offers to PGs, SGs and some big guys;
3) If NU loses its top returning player then the team will have trouble. If Maryland loses Melo Trimble then they would have trouble. That is why Collins was so down when Vic had to surgery last season. They lost their most athletic player and still won 20 games and 8 Big 10 games which ranks right up with the top NU seasons ever.
4) NU will not hold onto scholarships and get a class of two freshmen and maybe three frosh. The program will not get a 5th year transfer. Remember they tried that with Canyon Berry.
Hopefully, that helps out with some naysayers' basketball education.
1) Duke, UK and Louisville have won a number of NCAA titles over the past 25-30 years and they are called blue blood programs. Louisville is embroiled in one of these biggest recruiting scandals. Comparing NU's recruiting to Duke and Kentucky who attract more McDonald All-Americans than any other programs is comparing apples to oranges;
2) NU has a number of scholarship offers to PGs, SGs and some big guys;
3) If NU loses its top returning player then the team will have trouble. If Maryland loses Melo Trimble then they would have trouble. That is why Collins was so down when Vic had to surgery last season. They lost their most athletic player and still won 20 games and 8 Big 10 games which ranks right up with the top NU seasons ever.
4) NU will not hold onto scholarships and get a class of two freshmen and maybe three frosh. The program will not get a 5th year transfer. Remember they tried that with Canyon Berry.
Hopefully, that helps out with some naysayers' basketball education.
No victory regarding a class - I am as disheartened as the next rational fan, just an opportunity to lash back at those who thought it necessary to jump all over me for wanting to discuss growing concerns about recruiting on an otherwise dead message board. The pollyanna group makes this Board frustrating at times - but the personal attacks - that is simply unnecessary. I'm simply fulfilling the Golden Rule for them. (No, not a Christian so I will not be extending the other cheek
Gee, thanks for the education. Let me throw you a life line:
1. Name any program that sits on its laurels once it seats a few good recruiting classes. This topic comes from your statement above that the state of the current roster means this recruiting class is inconsequential. You may be right. CCC may choose to swing hard and if misses, to skip 2017. But I'm not sure I agree with that strategy. It is a small class. There are always transfer options - 5th year or longer than that. 2018 redshirts can also spread coverage. I'm not keen on long shots like another Vassar, or even Skelly or Lindsey (both of who I like but one probably overachieved and the other has yet to impress...). So, given the choice if Eastern and than A & B listers disappear, of C listers or nothing - what do you all think? It won't change anything, it won't influence CCC, but it could be interesting to share thoughts...
2. Yes, and some are very good. Others are lottery tickets. If the former do not commit, do you want the latter?
3. I'm not familiar with the Maryland program or its depth. I bet they have another lead guard in the wings. We have one proven lead guard. No proven or highly recruited lead guard behind him. Vic Law has become the appointed savior twice now. It wasn't fair as he entered his freshman year and not fair now either. He never threatened to become B1G Frosh of the Year - Mac was the better freshman. He got better as the season went forward and suffered an injury that took him away from bball for a year. Nobody knows what he will become. I think we would all love him to become a major contributor or better - but give the kid a break. No guarantees at this point that he even starts unless the remaining guards are not options.
4. My memory sucks - didn't we just have a 5th year transfer last year. The kid from VaTech (too lazy to google). So, I believe that blows up your argument. Class size is two. Vassar is not going anywhere - dead four year scholarship - big screw up by the athletic department and coaching staff but spilt milk now. I am impressed with your deep connections to the program to know their plans though... Can you squeeze out of them who currently is slated for the starting five? ;]
Hopefully, this helps some of the meaner individuals' basketball education.
You're still totally out of line and demonstrate a sickening lack of real spirit for our team.
As for eating crow, you can't judge a recruiting period for years. Whatever Coach does with these scholarship spots, you won't be able to tell me to eat crow for several cycles.
At this juncture, with nobody committed and several targets having selected elsewhere, it is reasonable to be concerned.
Like you, I'm hopeful that a Flagg or Eastern or both or more make the call for NU at some point in the next two months.
But I'd rather have a board that included one bird in the hand or a few more in the bushes at this point.
NU is not sitting on their laurels. They have a number of scholarship offers out there. And back up options.
They have two spots open. The starting five is McIntosh, Lindsey, Law, Falzon and Pardon. No, I do not have special connections but I have two eyes that can see who the most talented five on the team are. But keep the distortions comings to fit your point of view which is totally off base.
They have two spots open. The starting five is McIntosh, Lindsey, Law, Falzon and Pardon. No, I do not have special connections but I have two eyes that can see who the most talented five on the team are. But keep the distortions comings to fit your point of view which is totally off base.
Let's quote this one. While I like your starting five, I see a number of other possibilities. Perhaps that will humble you and your eyes
You are totally not the Board police, so I will note your opinion and consider the source. And BS about not judging recruiting classes for years. That is what we do. Did I miss something, or have you not been heralding all CCC's prior classes. A little premature? Sorry if that hits too close to home...
Your blind following of anything purple shows a real lack of independent thinking and still makes me question whether you have that special parchment on your wall.