It's Official TAMU withdraws from Big 12: University Statement ITT
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It's not like we didn't see it coming. I have heard that unless the SEC finds the 14 readily then they are planning to go one year with 13.
Rumors abound</p>
Rumors abound</p>
Here's my list:
1) Oklahoma: new market, national power, tradition, great fit. Unlikely.
2) North Carolina: Good regional fit for the SEC East, great academics, great BB, new TV Market. Unlikely.
3) Missouri: Big TV market, people have referred to this program as a sleeping giant. Most likely.
4) Virgina Tech: New market. The should jump at the chance.
5) Florida State
6) Clemson
1) Oklahoma: new market, national power, tradition, great fit. Unlikely.
2) North Carolina: Good regional fit for the SEC East, great academics, great BB, new TV Market. Unlikely.
3) Missouri: Big TV market, people have referred to this program as a sleeping giant. Most likely.
4) Virgina Tech: New market. The should jump at the chance.
5) Florida State
6) Clemson
Dinkle didn't provide the URL, but I did. Here it is again: http://www.tamu.edu/athletics/conferenceChange.html
WWL reported last night that TAMU was denying the claims that it had already happened. TAMU issued press release at 10:00 this morning stating that they have notified Big 12 that they are leaving.
Both reports are accurate. Timing was wrong yesterday.
Both reports are accurate. Timing was wrong yesterday.
It's Texas's conference and they can choose the teams they want compete against-- and I don't see them wanting a team that would take away from their ability to recruit in-state.
<span style="text-decoration: line-through;">1) Oklahoma</span> (Already said they would not come, only chance is if the conference collapsed, and the SEC said it would not take two West teams)
<span style="text-decoration: line-through;">2) North Carolina</span> (Can not move without Duke, will not be considered)
<span style="text-decoration: line-through;">3) Missouri</span> (Can not leave Big 12 without the conference falling since their president is the head and SEC said it would not take two West teams)
4) Virgina Tech
<span style="text-decoration: line-through;">5) Florida State</span> (SEC already said they would not take a team from a state with an existing SEC team)
<span style="text-decoration: line-through;">6) Clemson </span>(SEC already said they would not take a team from a state with an existing SEC team)
Don't be surpised if the SEC looks to a smaller school (in terms of sports profile). They have the big win with Texas A&M, there is really not a huge need to bring in a super strong team from the East. A lesser known team with a large student population, decent stadium, and good fan support would have a chance (does that sound familiar to another team recently added to the SEC?). East Carolina, while I'm not pushing for them at all, fits that profile. If the SEC can get Virginia Tech though I think we would take them in a heartbeat.
<span style="text-decoration: line-through;">2) North Carolina</span> (Can not move without Duke, will not be considered)
<span style="text-decoration: line-through;">3) Missouri</span> (Can not leave Big 12 without the conference falling since their president is the head and SEC said it would not take two West teams)
4) Virgina Tech
<span style="text-decoration: line-through;">5) Florida State</span> (SEC already said they would not take a team from a state with an existing SEC team)
<span style="text-decoration: line-through;">6) Clemson </span>(SEC already said they would not take a team from a state with an existing SEC team)
Don't be surpised if the SEC looks to a smaller school (in terms of sports profile). They have the big win with Texas A&M, there is really not a huge need to bring in a super strong team from the East. A lesser known team with a large student population, decent stadium, and good fan support would have a chance (does that sound familiar to another team recently added to the SEC?). East Carolina, while I'm not pushing for them at all, fits that profile. If the SEC can get Virginia Tech though I think we would take them in a heartbeat.
at SEC media days? This stuff has been cooking for a while, I wouldn't leave out any schools at this point no matter what the SEC has stated.
It won't be anyone from the Big 12 because it looks like the SEC's (and Texas A&M's) strategy is to keep the Big 12 alive. This avoids a domino effect where Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma & Oklahoma St. all join the PAC-12 and Missouri and Kansas join the Big 10, which puts us right back into not being the top conference.
The only teams from the ACC I think we would consider would be North Carolina (really doubt they'd come without Duke), VA Tech or Florida St. If we can't get one of those schools, and there's a good chance we can't, I think the SEC stays at 13. Advantages are you don't dilute the new money you get from adding Texas A&M with another school and you keep the conference landscape pretty much the same as it is now. Disadvantage is it makes scheduling a little screwey but that can be worked out.
The only teams from the ACC I think we would consider would be North Carolina (really doubt they'd come without Duke), VA Tech or Florida St. If we can't get one of those schools, and there's a good chance we can't, I think the SEC stays at 13. Advantages are you don't dilute the new money you get from adding Texas A&M with another school and you keep the conference landscape pretty much the same as it is now. Disadvantage is it makes scheduling a little screwey but that can be worked out.
I'm talking about what the SEC said to the member institutions. ******** the press all you want, but realigning the EAST and WEST isn't going to happen and the SEC is not going to bring in teams from existing states. It goes against the entire purpose here.Hector said:
to continue to have a conference championship game. NC State is another name that has been thrown around.
..this move by aTm will brings dozens of schools out of the woodwork, all clamoring to be the SEC's 14 team.
Included, all of the current 6 SECW teams have locked-in permanent opponent status against the 6 SECE teams (talking about football, of course).
So you think the SEC is going to totally restructure the permanent opponent pairings just to accommodate aTm, instead of just adding a new member to be aTm's permanent SECE opponent?
Right.
Use some common sense.
Included, all of the current 6 SECW teams have locked-in permanent opponent status against the 6 SECE teams (talking about football, of course).
So you think the SEC is going to totally restructure the permanent opponent pairings just to accommodate aTm, instead of just adding a new member to be aTm's permanent SECE opponent?
Right.
Use some common sense.
although I completely disagree with this. Realistically, I'd see VT or NCSt before anyone else. I really wonder if VT would leave the ACC because of Virginia helping bring them in the conference in the first place. If I were to bet, NCSt would be my guess... There's also talks about ECU which... I understand but I feel you could get another team well before reaching out to them.
it's just not going to happen. And I would say any school that's not in the Big TEN (12) or Pac-12 is fair game. AssEnd Dog mentioned East Carolina. That's just laughable. Not going to happen.
I don't think it's as much about staying with Duke as it is being the Texas (figuratively, not literally) of their own conference. When the battle between the ACC and Big East happens, I firmly believe the ACC will come out on top and will probably become stronger even if they lose 2 teams within this stage of expansion. If that does happen, UNC will want to maintain the pull they've established in their conference instead of coming to the SEC and having to start from the ground up.
For any school to become #14, they're going to have to bring in enough additional money (on top of what A&M is bringing in) to make it worthwhile financially. There's a lot of BCS schools not in the Big 10 or PAC-12 that the SEC wouldn't even consider. There's maybe a half dozen schools that would make sense to bring in. If the SEC can get one of those, they will. If not, I'm betting they stay at 13 and enjoy the additional money and additional flexibility for future conference realignments 5-10 years down the road rather than add a 14th team just for the sake of getting to an even number.</p>
..I didn't pay any attention to your post.
I was addressing patdog.
Try to figure out the immensely complicated procedure of who is responding to whom.
I was addressing patdog.
Try to figure out the immensely complicated procedure of who is responding to whom.
UNC is in a state where you are either Duke fans or UNC fans. Moving to the SEC for basketball would be terrible publicity for them... for two reasons.<div>
</div><div>1. As much as we would like to hope it is, the SEC as a basketball conference can't hold a candle to the ACC</div><div>2. The media and the state of NC would go in an uproar if UNC left the ACC without Duke. That is probably the most treasured rivalry in college basketball. They wouldn't move to a conference where that rivalry wouldn't mean anything except a win or a loss. </div>
</div><div>1. As much as we would like to hope it is, the SEC as a basketball conference can't hold a candle to the ACC</div><div>2. The media and the state of NC would go in an uproar if UNC left the ACC without Duke. That is probably the most treasured rivalry in college basketball. They wouldn't move to a conference where that rivalry wouldn't mean anything except a win or a loss. </div>
that the SEC will not add mid-tier programs. I don't recall Arkansas or USCe being dominant programs when we acquired them. Gaining a new, larger tv market is more important than athleticprestigewhen talking about expansion.
And they were added for a very different reason than A&M and a potential 14th team are being added. Back in 1990, the regular season TV deal wasn't all that much money. Those teams were added to get us to 12 teams so we could have a championship game that would be the equivalent of another major bowl game that we'd have both teams in. It didn't matter too much who we added, just that we added 2 teams. This expansion is all about the regular season TV deal and to a lesser degree additional bowl games. We likely wouldn't add USC or Arkansas today if they weren't already in the conference.
