It's Official TAMU withdraws from Big 12: University Statement ITT

[Incognegro]

Like you just said, TV markets is the most important aspect of expansion currently. Not as much as an individual college's athletic rep. If you honestly believe that the SEC won't pick up a lesser North Carolina team other than Duke and UNC just to get a foothold in a top 10 populated state, then I really don't know if saying anything further has a point.<div>
</div><div>Besides... I really think it would hurt the SEC if we just went for nothing but powerhouses in football. Think if hypothetically we move up to 16 teams and each division has 4 teams that could be in the running for a BCS berth and about 2 - 3 lesser but competitive teams and the reaming team(s) will be the cellar dwellers. There's absolutely no way the SEC champion will NOT have a loss on their record. If going undefeated in the SEC was rare before it'll be damn near impossible if the SEC went for nothing but BCS caliber teams which will more than likely hurt us in the amount of teams we place in the BCS. Bringing in middle tier teams with upside is better. Let them take their bumps and bruises and adjust to the conference and allow them to have their years where they can compete when the bigger teams are down.</div>

 

[Columbus Dawg]

nm

 

[GimpyDawg]

Only a crazy idiot would guess 10 years when it's really been 8 1/2. I mean, wow, that's some way-off guessing right there. And since it's obvious you're attempting to "out cute" your counterparts, I'll just move on with the topic.<div>
</div><div>While it may look weird with the SEC having 13 teams, I think they'll deal with it for a year or so and get exactly who they want. I don't think the SEC wants 16, so they'll be patient at finding the 14th member.</div>

 

[patdog]

Certainly not nearly as much as A&M gets us in Texas. As for Duke, they really wouldn't either except in basketball and this isn't about basketball, it's about football. I just don't see the SEC even beginning to want anyone in NC other than UNC. I could be wrong though.

 

[Seven Year Plan.nafoom]

no admittance of fault.

 

[colodawg]

NC State - IMHO - would be a great addition. They can't keep up with Duke and UNC in round ball, but they DO have a good program. They have a good stadium, a great coliseum, a very nice urban campus, very good academics, no other SEC school in the state, would make a GREAT road trip. If I were choosing they would be HIGH on my list of desired additions.

 

[patdog]

I've been in their basketball arena and it's first class all the way. Driven past the football stadium and it's small (maybe 40K) but new and looks pretty good. And the town and area are great. Also, my brother lives in Cary so it would be a great excuse for a road trip for me. I just don't think they have the interest and fan support to get us much of the North Carolina market. I could maybe see them being used as a bargaining chip to get North Carolina. As in, hey UNC, you interested in joining the SEC. Only if we can take Duke with us. OK, we'll just take NC State instead. Hold on a minute, you must have heard us wrong, we're not tied to Duke in any way, now what was that you were saying about would we be interested in joining the SEC?

 

[Eureka Dog]

It'd be an intriguing choice for #14. ECU would probably feel like they'd won the lottery.

 

[patdog]

If you'd done that from the beginning I wouldn't have had to state the obvious.

 

[Incognegro]

I believe the SEC will be looking at the fact that the entire state of NC has over 9.5 mil people. The second thing is if the particular school does indeed have decent fan following which NCST and ECU does. It's not exactly awe inspiring, but they do bring fans. The third thing I'm speculating is that the SEC probably believes that as long as they get their foot in the door they will get more interest from the state as a whole, not just the fans of the school they're picking up. With NC having over 9.5 mil people, the chances of you getting more people to watch your games even if they aren't fans of NCST or ECU is pretty high if you ask me.

 

[GloryDawg]

It does not matter if BYU is in a conference or independent. Their fan base and recuitingwill always be centered around Mormonsnation wide.

 

[VegasDawg13]

UNC is in a state where you are either Duke fans or UNC fans. Moving to the SEC for basketball would be terrible publicity for them... for two reasons.<div>
</div><div>1. As much as we would like to hope it is, the SEC as a basketball conference can't hold a candle to the ACC</div><div>2. The media and the state of NC would go in an uproar if UNC left the ACC without Duke. That is probably the most treasured rivalry in college basketball. They wouldn't move to a conference where that rivalry wouldn't mean anything except a win or a loss. </div>

1. If UNC switched from the ACC to the SEC, the SEC would instantly become the better basketball conference.<div>
</div><div>2. The media would be in an uproar for about a week, before moving on to the next topic du jour. If a week (or any amount, really) of bad press is what dictates a decision that would significantly affect their athletic department for decades, then they're complete morons.

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[windcrysmary]

Historical differences

 

[windcrysmary]

That they were not considering expansion?..you believed that?...does CYA ring a bell?

 

[warrior possum]

I get the feeling some folks are unfamiliar with fan loyalties and program impact in North Carolina. First, hardly anybody in the state likes Duke. Seriously. To the average North Carolinian, Duke is considered a yankee school. NC State has a MUCH larger fanbase in the state than Duke could ever hope for. I'm not sure if any of y'all saw deadspin after Duke won the 2010 championship, but they had the front pages of the Charlotte paper from 2010 and UNC's 2009 victory side by side. UNC's covered the entire front page...no story just a huge picture of the Hansborough with a headline "Nothing Could Be Finer, while Duke's just said "Duke Wins" at the banner and was otherwise a normal Tuesday morning front page. I guarantee that if NC State were to reclaim its former glory and win a championship the front page would look just like UNC's. NC State and UNC fans share a similar atmosphere as Ole Miss and State. I know this because my father went UNC but all of his relatives are NC State fans. NC State would be a great pick-up if Va Tech was a no-go.

 

[Optimus Prime 4]

hell, I watch SEC games over Southern Miss games.

 

[jethreauxdawg]

Big 12 just signed a nice TV contract with Fox, i think,last year. Shirley there was a clause in there stating a change in value if the conference changes. If so, the value has to drop without A&M. Sounds like they are about to get sued and potentially any conference that picks them up.

 

[windcrysmary]

Selected..opening up 2 new states....what would bring more money, a football team that has 25k more at their games or a brand new tv market with 5 million new viewers? I think the situation is still similar today as it was the last time

 

[Incognegro]

If Southern were in another conference like the Big East or even the Big XII you can't deny they'd get more viewers and more attendance. Same thing would happen to ECU....granted... I do not think the SEC would even consider them.

 

[DAWG61]

the SEC should go with 13 till the 14th is a no-brainer. ECU? Really? That's 17ing pathetic. So we'd triple a schools budget just cause they are in North Carolina? Do they even have a basketball and baseball team? Seriously do they? NCState is the retarded forgotten dead step-child. Either wait for Oklahoma, North Carolina, Virginia Tech, Florida State, or just stay at 13 till one of them is forced to come. Big12er9 is about to collapse and the ACC and BigEast are probably gonna merge into some weird football only conference leaving much much better options than ECU. You should feel shame for even stating them as a possibility.

 

[patdog]

And if they can get the right school, they probably will go to 14. But the Big 10 stayed with 11 teams for more than 10 years before they added Nebraska. There's nothing magical about having an even number of teams. It does make scheduling a little screwey in football (you'd have 3 West teams playing each of the other 6 and 4 playing only 5 of the other 6 each year), but it doesn't really affect basketball since everybody already has open weekends anyway.

 

[Incognegro]

Learn to read before you start criticizing peoples posts, dubmass. The whole point of my previous post was stating that some teams benefit more from their conference than the conference benefits from them. It was going no further than stating that if ECU or USM were in better conferences they'd receive more viewers. That's all.<div>
</div><div>And if you really think NCSU isn't a viable option for expansion then you really don't know what the hell you're talking about. They're a middle tier ACC school that has a good following in a really big market. The school itself isn't exactly a homerun hit, but the state of North Carolina is.</div>