Despite my personal feelings on the issue, I can't help but think that this is the end for Stansbury. The University will only stand for so much embarrassment, and the fans leaving in droves after the good ticket sales the last four years has been telling. This is bigger than Stans, this is for the program. I hate it for him, and his family, but I think it will happen.
It's time...
- Thread starter msudogsrule01
- Start date
I don't see how one comes back from having two of your "star" players opening up their grievances (doesn't matter whether they're justified or not) to the world, as if the season didn't have enough off the court embarrassment already.
I would expect the news to break here or at least someone have some info or a hint as to what may happen. Does anyone have a duck blind story about the end of Stans? I agree that it is Time and after watching how well coached UAT was it makes it even more apparent that with our current talent and incoming talent a new coach could have success immediatly. The misearble march til the end of the season reminds me of the last days of Jackie. How may quotes from T.J. Mawhiney saying we just got to practice hard and get it turned around do we have to hear.
Grasshopper it is TIME!
Grasshopper it is TIME!
The potential long term damage to the program outweighs any benefit of holding together one recruiting class.
It's way past time for this program to secure and then get solidly behind a Fox or Grant. No reason we can't.
Thank you, Bury, for 20 years of service and dedication. Please accept our appreciation, this fancy new associate AD title, this crimson on crimson 15 passenger fleet van complete with built in taser function for child control, this crimson blazer from Iupe's on the service road in Gluckstadt, this complimentary sack of nuts, and this edam cheese ball.
It's way past time for this program to secure and then get solidly behind a Fox or Grant. No reason we can't.
Thank you, Bury, for 20 years of service and dedication. Please accept our appreciation, this fancy new associate AD title, this crimson on crimson 15 passenger fleet van complete with built in taser function for child control, this crimson blazer from Iupe's on the service road in Gluckstadt, this complimentary sack of nuts, and this edam cheese ball.
But there's a time for every coach when it's time to go. In hindsight, when he was offered the Clemson job was time. I wish he'd taken it. But I'm afraid that if we keep him for another year, the basketball program is going to be every bit as bad as the football program was when Jackie finally left.
not saying we're big buddies or anything like that, but, what I know of him, he's a great guy. Hell, I like the whole family. Despite what coach and others may say, Rick put a quality product on the
floor for several years. His teams were tough, played hard, fought for
rebounds and did all the other little things I appreciate. Maybe our
offensive strategy wasn't as coherent as it could've been, but we won
anyway. I could even overlook our lack of progress in the NCAAs. I
figured that he'd eventually make a run
All that said, I just can't bring myself to watch us play anymore. I've been a season ticket holder for years but I'm not going back to the hump and I'm not going to plan to be in front of the TV either. .
It's hard for me to put my finger on what happened. It seems like the class with Walter Sharpe was the start of the downward spiral. My only guess would be that he grew as frustrated with the two and throughs and one and dones as we did and started taking recruiting risks.
floor for several years. His teams were tough, played hard, fought for
rebounds and did all the other little things I appreciate. Maybe our
offensive strategy wasn't as coherent as it could've been, but we won
anyway. I could even overlook our lack of progress in the NCAAs. I
figured that he'd eventually make a run
All that said, I just can't bring myself to watch us play anymore. I've been a season ticket holder for years but I'm not going back to the hump and I'm not going to plan to be in front of the TV either. .
It's hard for me to put my finger on what happened. It seems like the class with Walter Sharpe was the start of the downward spiral. My only guess would be that he grew as frustrated with the two and throughs and one and dones as we did and started taking recruiting risks.
Stans has completely lost this team and it's to the point he'll probably never get it back. This recruiting class needs to step into a fresh situation. I disagree about the NIT though. If these guys are as good as advertised, they should at least have a chance for an NCAA bid next year if there's a coaching change.
as long as he consistently made NCAA tourneys - I was happy. NCAA tournament success was not something I judged him on. You can't fire a coach at State who consistently gets you to the tourney. Never will happen.
But we are 4 out the last 6 seasons of no tourney.
But we are 4 out the last 6 seasons of no tourney.
"If these guys are as good as advertised, they should at least have a chance for an NCAA bid next year if there's a coaching change"
I totally agree with you. I was talking about The Recruiter coaching them- NIT is the best they could do. Hell, he has trouble getting a juco guard adjusted to SEC ball- much less a true Freshman. Bost had a decent transition, but he also had a year of prep school- so he wasnt an actual true freshman.
"It's hard for me to put my finger on what happened. It seems like the class with Walter Sharpe was the start of the downward spiral. My only guess would be that he grew as frustrated with the two and throughs and one and dones as we did and started taking recruiting risks."
The Recruiter has always had a problem with discipline. He had that really good 4 year run due to having some talented players that came from good families and had character. Roberts, Whitey, Bowers, Z, the Polack, Vincent...so that helped deflate any blow-ups others may have had. He hasnt had that since. It started with Ervin, he was the first. But he was kept in check his Freshman year by the older guys- when they left- it blew up and he transferred. And we have been in that same cycle since. He has brought in some guys with character, but not to the point where it dominates the team. And thats why the program has fallen.
We've had enough talent to win more than we have since 2006, but he hasnt had enough backbone to instill whats been lacking.
I totally agree with you. I was talking about The Recruiter coaching them- NIT is the best they could do. Hell, he has trouble getting a juco guard adjusted to SEC ball- much less a true Freshman. Bost had a decent transition, but he also had a year of prep school- so he wasnt an actual true freshman.
"It's hard for me to put my finger on what happened. It seems like the class with Walter Sharpe was the start of the downward spiral. My only guess would be that he grew as frustrated with the two and throughs and one and dones as we did and started taking recruiting risks."
The Recruiter has always had a problem with discipline. He had that really good 4 year run due to having some talented players that came from good families and had character. Roberts, Whitey, Bowers, Z, the Polack, Vincent...so that helped deflate any blow-ups others may have had. He hasnt had that since. It started with Ervin, he was the first. But he was kept in check his Freshman year by the older guys- when they left- it blew up and he transferred. And we have been in that same cycle since. He has brought in some guys with character, but not to the point where it dominates the team. And thats why the program has fallen.
We've had enough talent to win more than we have since 2006, but he hasnt had enough backbone to instill whats been lacking.
I just refused to complain for the most part if we were at least getting in the tournament because with our basketball history I just did not think we were justified in expecting Sweet 16'svery often. It would be different if we had done it more than twice since the invention of the wheel.dawgstudent said:
There have been alot of good coaches that went a long time without real tournament success early in their careers and I always thought Rick would get it together eventually. However, each year we are getting farther and farther away from even getting a bid much less advance past the 2nd round.
I agree. Although I'm not sure we wouldn't have another disaster season like this one next year if he comes back and not even make the NIT.
Also, the guys with character he's recruited lately haven't been real strong leaders like Bowers, Zimmerman, Roberts, etc. They've been quiet guys like Varnado.
It's the transfers and actions of those guys still here that did it for me. I can handle some stuggles as long as there appears to be hope for the future and the team isn't embarrassing. These guys are embarrassing and they are losing. Case closed. It's time.
Until this year, I never took him as one that was soft. Seemed to me he was sitting somebody because of a "coaches decision" all the time. Of course, that could just as easily be a sign of a lack of control as it could be that he's a discipline guy.
And you're right, it all started with Ervin.
And you're right, it all started with Ervin.
I think our first indication was Robert Jackson. He got lucky that the dismissal helped the team there, and perhaps he took that as a sign that it would work every time after that.