Ivan Maisel on Mullen...
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Nice comments.
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I'm confused. So, what's dumb about taking a job that pays you seven figures a year to coach football - at a place with, let's face it, mild expectations? Maybe Ivan thought had he paid his dues a little longer then he would have been rewarded with a high-profile job at some point? However, I'm sure there are many long time assistants that may have thought the same, but still remain assistants. I say jump on it opportunity when the money/opportunity is there.
the general sense among the college football world outside of starkeville is that the msu football job is a career killer. that's why petersen (?) turned it down. mullen may change that perception but it is what it is for now. one of the "up and coming" guys might think that even at 7 figures the long term risk isn't worth it and better opportunities would come along. it may be that mullen was just smart enough and confident enough to do his own thing and it may pay off. don't know if you were looking for a serious answer to your question/comment but well anyway.
faces challenges when/if we hire a coach.....we're not bama, lsux, or fla either. but that said, i'm just stating that msu has been publicly described as the worst job in football by people who are not actually ole miss graduates. ole miss has not. maybe if msu gave up football we would earn the title, lol, but so far its not that bad. before anybody gets excercised i'm only quoting, not agreeing. i actually think the right coach can win anywhere. it is much more difficult at msu and yes at ole miss than a lot of places for a lot of reasons. mullen may be the right coach.
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And I considered that before I posted. But then I started thinking about the "coaching graveyard" theory and I've come to realize its total BS. What school isn't one? There are a few prized HC spots (5%ish of all jobs maybe?) out there that will always get the best coaches available (ND, USC, Alabama, etc.) and then there is everyone else. You can get fired from the prized HC spots and still have a chance to land a HC gig somewhere else making good money. But, once you don't perform at the non-premier spots, you pretty much end up being irrelevant and fall back into coordinator ranks or coaching DIII. It's an inherent risk at most D1 program minus the prized 5% spots.
I also understand that it may be tougher to win at MSU, for whatever reason. So, the chance you have at proving your worth at MSU could be tougher than somewhere a school with a bigger budget and a history of more frequent success. But, the late 90s have show that success is possible in Starkville. It may be more of a struggle at MSU than others, but the potential is there. I won't buy into that you can't win at MSU and won't accept it as a reason for a coordinator not to coach here. Certainly, its a valid reason for a HC that's being paid well currently. MSU is a lateral move for many a HC out there, but NOT a coordinator.
That being said, passing up that kind of money <span style="font-style: italic;">as a coordinator</span> is pretty risky business considering that its not likely the premier programs won't be knocking on your door having coached only one side of the ball. Take the check now and prove your worth...
I also understand that it may be tougher to win at MSU, for whatever reason. So, the chance you have at proving your worth at MSU could be tougher than somewhere a school with a bigger budget and a history of more frequent success. But, the late 90s have show that success is possible in Starkville. It may be more of a struggle at MSU than others, but the potential is there. I won't buy into that you can't win at MSU and won't accept it as a reason for a coordinator not to coach here. Certainly, its a valid reason for a HC that's being paid well currently. MSU is a lateral move for many a HC out there, but NOT a coordinator.
That being said, passing up that kind of money <span style="font-style: italic;">as a coordinator</span> is pretty risky business considering that its not likely the premier programs won't be knocking on your door having coached only one side of the ball. Take the check now and prove your worth...
saban meyer et al are not waiting expectantly for the olemiss job to again come open, however for the record, and you can post all day how you don't believe it (don't really care) but i do know for a fact that erickson did not turn ole miss down. right or wrong khayat nixed that deal . that of course does not change the fact that we were forced to hire orgeron at that point, but the old drunk would have been glad to "coach our little team"...his words. which i suppose understandably irritated khayat somewhat. LOL. but more directly to your point....no, nobody in the national spotlight has ever singled ole miss out as being the worst job. they have msu. you can rant all about our shortcomings which are many...yes i know we haven't been to atlanta.....LOL.. but that's true....
and i'm really not trying to pick a fight. ck just said he didn't understand the deal and i explained why rightly or wrongly "why". i've gone out of my way to not imply or state that i think ole miss is all that or light yrs ahead of msu ....who yes i know HAS been to atlanta....Peace.
edited to add....by the by, if not being able to speak english were o's only shortcoming, we'd be a lot better off today!!
and i'm really not trying to pick a fight. ck just said he didn't understand the deal and i explained why rightly or wrongly "why". i've gone out of my way to not imply or state that i think ole miss is all that or light yrs ahead of msu ....who yes i know HAS been to atlanta....Peace.
edited to add....by the by, if not being able to speak english were o's only shortcoming, we'd be a lot better off today!!
discussion have commented that i really think the right coach can when anywhere. i do think at msu and ole miss..prob kentucky ceratinly vandy and prob ark and south carolina...it is made even tougher because of the league we're trying to climb up in. that's one reason some feared we might lose nutt to clemson last yr....good school good budget and no bama, fla,lsu etc. same with say louisville. petrino looked great there but heck its the big east. in 03 we were 7-1 in the sec and didn't got to atlanta...geez what does a guy have to do. this yr..even if we WERE as good as folks thought preseason, it would have been a hell of a row to hoe to get to atl thru bama and lsu. so yes msu and olemiss and some others are real challenges. and all coor hires are gambles..ours worked out with tub but a lot don't. mullen certainly has msu playing better than last yr.
Yeah, sure he was fired by Ole Miss, but considering his health difficulties (needing triple bypass surgery) one could make the argument that his leaving Ole Miss was the best thing for him professionally and healthwise.
from a professional standpoint, after 3 yrs there wasn't another hc job offered nor was he even interviewed. i'm not sure duke is a career advancement over ole miss but hey, your opinion may vary. lol. i do think the Lord took care of him. another spring/recruiting/fall prep likely would have done him in apparently.
i don't doubt that you know for a fact that erickson didn't turn um down (regardless of whether he did), but i do doubt that you know for a fact that petersen turned down an offer to be msu's coach because it is regarded as a career killer.
could you also please show us where someone in the national spotlight has singled msu out as "being the worst job". thanks.
turned msu down. i do "think" i know that he and byrne are friends and that byrnes was in contact with him early on. i don't think that is in dispute. was a job offered? i know pretend to know but i'll say this...if i'm an msu fan and i think i can get petersen as hc and my ad doesn't go offer (beg) him to come, then i'm pissed at my ad. if he did turn it down does he think the msu job is a career killer? don't know that either, just that he must think boise state (isn't that where he is?) is a better job. ouch.
as far as the quotes, can't and don't care enough to try to hunt but if others are reading the thread i'll ask for others who might. the simple fact is that this has been said publicly and more than once. if you haven't heard it and/or choose to dismiss it, fine no problem. i'm not saying its fair or right but it has been said. heck some of those talking heads could say it about ole miss. they diss us enough too.
as far as the quotes, can't and don't care enough to try to hunt but if others are reading the thread i'll ask for others who might. the simple fact is that this has been said publicly and more than once. if you haven't heard it and/or choose to dismiss it, fine no problem. i'm not saying its fair or right but it has been said. heck some of those talking heads could say it about ole miss. they diss us enough too.
an sec headcoach (even at olemiss,msu,ken,etc) back to being a coor, even at nd or his home base of tn is 'career advancement" nor would i say finally landing hc job at duke as marking him as a bright young star. your perspective on career success may vary but this doesn't look to me like the job progression he would have drawn up. ole miss might have been a stepping stone to him but not BACK to coor and then to duke. we'll see how he does from there....worked for spurrier.
i tried to do it for you, but to no avail (see below). i'm glad you're realizing that you know nothing about the petersen situation. he's a west coast guy, and boise is a recognized name in college football, even if they're in a non-BCS conference. he can hold out for a program that has talent and can compete (see urban meyer) instead of going to a program that needs to be completely rebuilt (see dan hawkins). if i were in his shoes, i probably wouldn't come here either. that doesn't mean that he didn't come to msu because starkville is a coaching graveyard. but way to jump to conclusions.
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I understand completely that Ole Miss has football history, all of our grandpappys told us how great Ole Miss was back in the leather helmet era. But, to act like Ole Miss is on a plane far above MSU, or anyone else in the SEC (save Vandy) is laughable. Since 1980, Ole Miss has been to 12 bowls, MSU 9. Since the SEC went to divisional play, Ole Miss has had 11 winning seasons, MSU has had 7. Is there a difference? Sure, but coaching graveyard??? We've all seen in the past few years at MSU as well as Ole Miss that it doesn't take much to go from 3 wins and and O'fer in the SEC to 7-9 wins and vice versa.
Basketball job at State wad viewed as hardest to win in nation per Joe Dean Sr when Joe jr was considering the job prior to Williams getting it.