I'm not knocking religion, I'm knocking discrimination and bigotry in the name of religion. And secondly, you know there are hard-line right winger Christians in this country that would love to see every Muslim executed. So, if you call that ********, you are sadly naive.
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I'm not knocking religion, I'm knocking discrimination and bigotry in the name of religion. And secondly, you know there are hard-line right winger Christians in this country that would love to see every Muslim executed. So, if you call that ********, you are sadly naive.
The media hypocrisy is simply breathtaking. They applaud Piss Christ yet villify Geller and some even villifed Charlie Hebdo. Geller is right, radical Islam is winning. Cuomo of CNN even claimed the conference was unconstitutional because of hate speech. Stunningly stupid.
The sad part is that I've talked to some of the guests on the show. A lot of the time they don't even believe their side of it but have to present a counter point to defend. It's the rubes who eat it up and actually run with some of these ludicrous positions which amaze me. The mouthpieces on tv are just doing their part.
Can you make the same claim about Muslims as to their beliefs about Christians? My main beef with you is that you ALWAYS go the "right winger" crap. Do you honestly believe that we DO NOT have some hard- line "left wingers" who harbor similar beliefs toward some in our society?
Are you saying hardline Christians, or hardline politically involved people calling themselves Christians?
He is a hard line left winger and that is why he doesnt see it. He is exactly what he tries to mock and when you point it out his athiest buddy comes to his rescue to attack the messenger. Its sorta like bud and bru minus the gay greek stuff.
Just exactly whom are you addressing with these words; "when you start up the lynchings". I hope you did not mean anyone on this board. I also doubt anything like that will ever happen. After all, your friend and hero the former "grand wizard" of West Virginia politics and inspiration to many state Democrat "lock steppers" is no longer with us.
That's semantics. I would separate how they vote and their social philosophy. There are a lot of people that seem to vote counter to their best interests, mostly just based on ignorance. If they are riled against gay marriage, I would still consider that the religious right.
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That is speculative reasoning in my opinion. I have voted against my best interests on numerous occasions because I felt the vote I was casting was in the best interests of the country, state, or city. I can adapt to change and find a best path forward in those instances. I think it comes down to what emphasis you place on certain issues. With the current trends, I think we are going to end up sinking the ship dicking around trying to save everyone when some of them don't even want the help.
For instance, there is a lot of social related things I am in stark disagreement with the GOP on, Gay marriage being one, but I vote for the candidate because I feel their fiscal and defense positions are much better than those on the left.
You know, I can't really counter any of your points, and I totally believe she has every right to do what she was doing. I don't like it, I don't agree with it, but coincidentally, some idiot Muslims did their best to prove her right. In my mind it simultaneously exemplifies what the country was founded on as well as being the opposite of what the country was founded on.
I don't know how many people on here personally know any Muslims well. I do. I work directly with 2 of them (if I could openly discuss my organization's mission, the significance of that would be even more apparent) and they are absolutely nothing at all like the radical Muslims that want to kill people anymore than the Christians here are like WBC or the Army of God that thinks it's OK to blow up people at abortion clinics. Or the Christian that planted the bomb at the Atlanta Olympics. People will say that those people don't represent Christianity, and many Muslims will say the terrorists don't really represent Islam.
The issue with Islam, and it's a valid one, is that there are a hell of a lot more of them that are willing ot commit terrorist acts than the Christians. That's well beyond debate. However, as evidenced by the Muslim rally to raise funds at the previous week's campaign, there are a large number of Muslims that want people to know that they don't hold the views of the terrorists.
I vote counter to my best interests. Voting Democrat would be in my best interest, I'd get free stuff eventually. It's not what's right for the country as a whole, though.
Did I poll them? Thats funny. I speculated because most of those churches were in Prince Georges County. If you are aware of politics in that county, you would understand. And that was years before Obama arrived on the scene, so it was not about race. What happens if they refused to perform a gay marriage? Would you consider that their "religious right". Also, would you consider them to be "right wing" Democrat nut-jobs because of their beliefs on Gay marriage and abortion.
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I edited the original to remove that part, apparently not in time. (I felt it would come across as too antagonistic and that wasn't my intention with the statement) I lived in SoMD for quite awhile and I'm aware of Prince Georges County.
You're confusing the point. I don't consider them "nut jobs" because of their beliefs on gay marriage and abortion. My original point was about religion trying to influence the law, and being against laws that are counter to the bible when this country is not supposed to pass laws based on any single religion.
I absolutely believe that it is a church's religious right to refuse to perform gay marriages, but I also don't think we should have a law against gay marriage. I would be vehemently opposed to any law saying that a church has to perform a gay marriage as it would be a 1st Amendment violation.
My point on just about any of these topics is: If you don't like it, don't do it. But don't tell everybody else they can't because your religion says it's wrong. And nobody should tell you that you have to.
"My original point was about religion trying to influence the law, and being against laws that are counter to the bible when this country is not supposed to pass laws based on any single religion."
It is certainly true that the religious try to influence laws. But it is also true that the secular try to influence laws. Your post makes it seem that only the religious engage in lobbying. This country can pass any laws the majority support beit religiously based or secular based. So your comment that this country is not supposed to pass laws based on a single religion is false.
But if the law is religiously based in justification, it cannot or should not be passed.
The Ten Commandments are certainly religiously based. Should we rescind laws based on the Ten Commandments? We have to be very careful when trying to eliminate religion's influence in our government. They have just as much a right to lobby as the secularists.