I've given it a week... and still want to discuss it... Regarding Anthony Robles, ASU one-legged

[missouridawg]

I've given it a week... and still want to discuss it... Regarding Anthony Robles, ASU one-legged

wrestler.

First, congrats to him for winning the NC. It's a tremendous story of someone being dealt a ****** hand and making the best of it. I wish him nothing but the best...

But I can't understand how he was allowed to compete with two-legged wrestlers.

First, he gets an advantage because all of his matches are wrestled on the ground... If you're the NCAA's best upright wrestler, you're really being forced to your weakness without having any say in the matter.

Second, the legs of humans make up about 40% of your body weight (20% per leg). I believe Robles was wrestling in the 125 lb. class. Meaning, that if he had both legs he would've weighed 145 lbs. So basically, it was a two-legged guy at 125 lbs wrestling a one-legged guy with a 145 lb upper body. Is that fair? That's 20 extra lbs of muscle that Anthony could add to his upper body.

I'm sure I'll get flamed for this, but oh well... that's what message boards are for.</p>

 

[missouridawg]

I've given it a week... and still want to discuss it... Regarding Anthony Robles, ASU one-legged

wrestler.

First, congrats to him for winning the NC. It's a tremendous story of someone being dealt a ****** hand and making the best of it. I wish him nothing but the best...

But I can't understand how he was allowed to compete with two-legged wrestlers.

First, he gets an advantage because all of his matches are wrestled on the ground... If you're the NCAA's best upright wrestler, you're really being forced to your weakness without having any say in the matter.

Second, the legs of humans make up about 40% of your body weight (20% per leg). I believe Robles was wrestling in the 125 lb. class. Meaning, that if he had both legs he would've weighed 145 lbs. So basically, it was a two-legged guy at 125 lbs wrestling a one-legged guy with a 145 lb upper body. Is that fair? That's 20 extra lbs of muscle that Anthony could add to his upper body.

I'm sure I'll get flamed for this, but oh well... that's what message boards are for.</p>

 

[Felonious Junk]

I've given it a week... and still want to discuss it... Regarding Anthony Robles, ASU one-legged

nt

 

[MedDawg]

I've given it a week... and still want to discuss it... Regarding Anthony Robles, ASU one-legged

...and you're correct. He has the advantage of a 145lb man's upper body in the 125lb weight class Thing is, what do you do? You can't really call it 'unfair'--the guy only has one leg. I guess anyone would be allowed to have a leg removed if they wanted the same advantage.

The main thing is that Robles uses very good technique to keep his only leg away so it cannot be grabbed. He also stays low on purpose-- each time the match was restarted, Robles instantly took a step back and went down to the mat. If an opponent did have an arm or leg around Robles' only leg, then Robles would be at a HUGE disadvantage. I don't remember seeing his match restart on the down position, whatever that is called. That might make it difficult for him.

BTW, Penn State stole Iowa State's wrestling coach and he took them to the National Championship in his 2nd year at PSU. Pretty aggressive move by the Penn State athletic director, and it paid off.

 

[missouridawg]

I've given it a week... and still want to discuss it... Regarding Anthony Robles, ASU one-legged

but it just seems damn unfair to everyone else.

 

[saltslugs]

I've given it a week... and still want to discuss it... Regarding Anthony Robles, ASU one-legged

The dude has one 17ing leg. Are you implying that he should not be allowed to compete? Only compete with one-leggers? You're worried about the fairness to the competition--the dude has one 17ing leg, maybe he deserves a break in life. It's not like he cut off his leg to gain an unfair advantage. Would you complain if the guy had short legs? a missing toe? a smaller penis? <div>
</div><div>Your argument doesn't have a leg to stand on.</div>

 

[Original48]

I've given it a week... and still want to discuss it... Regarding Anthony Robles, ASU one-legged

Would you complain if the guy had short legs? a missing toe? a smaller penis? <div>
</div><div>Your argument doesn't have a leg to stand on.</div>

He said his favorite move was the ball and chain depicted below. It takes two legs to have this inficted upon you so this is a move that can't be used against him. And judging from the video, a small penis is a plus.

http://www.youtube.com/wa...VfB8Mg6Y&feature=related

 

[drunkernhelldawg]

I've given it a week... and still want to discuss it... Regarding Anthony Robles, ASU one-legged

I am for handicapped access but this is like saying that we have to accomodate a baseball pitcher with no arms. He needs to find a sport that is within his abilities. The situation seems very unfair to the sport and to the other wrestlers and teams. Maybe I'm missing something.

 

[mstateglfr]

I've given it a week... and still want to discuss it... Regarding Anthony Robles, ASU one-legged

He lost em when he was 7 or so. The dude has his own day in Iowa.
Anyways, I've asked him that very same question- about weighing more if he had the limbs and werestling against smaller dudes.
He is a prosthetist now and said that the weight difference really isn't very significant.
If he got into any number of bad positions, he couldnt get out. That disadvantage far outweighs any advantage someone could say he had.

 

[HammerOfTheDogs]

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[patdog]

I've given it a week... and still want to discuss it... Regarding Anthony Robles, ASU one-legged

He makes a pretty good argument that the 1-legged buy has an advantage, and Original48 adds another good point to the argument. I'm not saying he shouldn't be able to wrestle, but he should have to wear his prosthesis, and the weight of that prosthesis should count in determining his weight class.

 

[missouridawg]

I've given it a week... and still want to discuss it... Regarding Anthony Robles, ASU one-legged

is that I'm bitching about something and have no idea what the solution is. I wish I did... but I just can't think of anything fair, not that it would matter anyways.

I think a prosthesis0 is the wrong way to go... primarily because it be grabbed and held onto without Robles being able to manuever is and get it free.

And on the other side, if I was wrestling Robles, I would be pissed that I would only have one leg to grab onto... because having both there gives me something else to grab him and hold him down by.

There's no good answer in this.... I'm glad to see most people are being open minded about this arguement. Usually something like this brings out the best trolls.

 

[drunkernhelldawg]

I've given it a week... and still want to discuss it... Regarding Anthony Robles, ASU one-legged

1. Wrestle in the weight class that includes the missing leg's weight
2. Make using leverage from the other wrestler's leg on the same side illegal.


these are not really viable. If I were a young wrestler, I'd be pissed to have to "compete" against him.

 

[patdog]

I've given it a week... and still want to discuss it... Regarding Anthony Robles, ASU one-legged

Like I said, make him wrestle with his prosthesis. I understand that's a disadvantage for him, but that's just the way it is. In just about everything else in his life having only one leg is a disadvantage. Why should wrestling be any different?

 

[saltslugs]

I've given it a week... and still want to discuss it... Regarding Anthony Robles, ASU one-legged

anyone wrestling with anything missing must wear a prosthetic? Where do you draw the line?<div>
</div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 2px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 2px; ">"In just about everything else in his life having only one leg is a disadvantage. Why should wrestling be any different?"</span></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; font-size: 12px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 2px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 2px;">
</span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: collapse; font-size: 12px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 2px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 2px;">Why should you force him away from his natural body to wrestle? You say this guy has an unfair advantage, but you could also say that the 2-leggers have an unfortunate disadvantage that they need to deal with just as one-leggers do in other sports. It sucks for the one-legger, but this guy is not cheating or anything.</span></font></div>

 

[drunkernhelldawg]

I've given it a week... and still want to discuss it... Regarding Anthony Robles, ASU one-legged

If it's more important that the guy be given "a chance," then they can continue on as they have.

 

[saltslugs]

I've given it a week... and still want to discuss it... Regarding Anthony Robles, ASU one-legged

He's using his body the best he can just like everyone else. No one calls it unfair when a basketball player is taller than another.

 

[seshomoru]

I've given it a week... and still want to discuss it... Regarding Anthony Robles, ASU one-legged

Now, I haven't seen the NCAA wrestling rule book, but I'm sure it simply separates the classes based on weight. There probably isn't any mention that it has to be evenly distributed between a torso and four limbs.

I honestly can't believe there is even discussion that only having one leg might be advantageous.

 

[missouridawg]

I've given it a week... and still want to discuss it... Regarding Anthony Robles, ASU one-legged

to make the sport more fair. So is boxing. Having more weight in wrestling is an unfair advantage.

Imagine a 265 lb heavyweight wrestling a 125 lb guy. It just isn't fair.

The point, is that Robles, by not having one leg, can use the weight that would normally be portioned for his leg somewhere else (his upper body). And since all of his matches immediately go to the mat, it gives him an advantage.

 

[boomboommsu]

I've given it a week... and still want to discuss it... Regarding Anthony Robles, ASU one-legged

tens of thousands of dollars. not something you want to wrestle in.

a lot of them are, to some degree or another, covered by tax dollars, and i sure don't want more of mine going to pay for a new leg because some kid keeps breaking his in wrestling matches.

 

[MedDawg]

I've given it a week... and still want to discuss it... Regarding Anthony Robles, ASU one-legged

<span><span id="temp-0"></span></span><span><embed height="355" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" width="425" src="http://www.youtube.com/v/AnoO3Ko2y8A?f=videos&app=youtube_gdata" wmode="transparent" allowScriptAccess="never" ></embed>

</span>Here's a video in which Robles lost (NCAA semifinals a couple years ago), showing the disadvantage of having your only leg grabbed/caught/held by the opponent.? If he had another leg, he could have gotten away.? It also shows him starting in both the down and standing?positions, so it's pretty obvious he has to follow the same rules as far as everyone else.

I think it's absolutely fair for him to participate?without a prothesis.?? There are some advantages to having only?one leg, but also disadvantages.? He has simply learned?techniques to minimize his disadvantages.???He went 25-11 his first year at Arizona State, 29-8 his second year, and 36-0 his third.?

I can see where a person uses protheses to an advantage, like the guy with two prothetic legs being able to run faster than he would with two natural legs.??? http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/17/prosthetic-limbed-runner-disqualified-from-olympics/? ?That should?not be allowed or should be restricted in some way.

 

[saltslugs]

I've given it a week... and still want to discuss it... Regarding Anthony Robles, ASU one-legged

I understand the weight classes for the most part. But, I'm with Sesh. The dude does weigh the correct amount--would you complain if your opponent had short legs or fewer teeth?<div>
</div><div>As a potential fix: Instead of basing classes on weight, why not measure inches around the waist, chest, and/or arms?</div>

 

[patdog]

I've given it a week... and still want to discuss it... Regarding Anthony Robles, ASU one-legged

there's absolutely no excuse to allow him to start all matches on the ground, which really there isn't anyway. It's a special set of rules for one wrestler (or a very small minority of wrestlers).

 

[saltslugs]

I've given it a week... and still want to discuss it... Regarding Anthony Robles, ASU one-legged

nm

 

[MagnoliaHunter]

I've given it a week... and still want to discuss it... Regarding Anthony Robles, ASU one-legged

but I think your math is wrong.

x * 0.8 = 125 the 80% is whats left when you take one leg, assuming(uh oh) the 20% per leg you listed is right.
x = 125/0.8
x = 156.25

which gives him even more of an advantage than you had listed. Plus I don't think he should be able to start all his matches on the ground either. Not a normal match, plusit plays right into hisupper bodyadvantage.

 

[MedDawg]

I've given it a week... and still want to discuss it... Regarding Anthony Robles, ASU one-legged

he starts them standing, too. So there areno special rules for him that I can tell.

 

[Cousin Jeffrey]

I've given it a week... and still want to discuss it... Regarding Anthony Robles, ASU one-legged

The original poster said this:

First, he gets an advantage because all of his matches are wrestled on the ground... If you're the NCAA's best upright wrestler, you're really being forced to your weakness without having any say in the matter.

When I read that, I assumed there were special rules in place for his matches. THAT would be BS. You shouldn't change how a game is played for everybody else just because somebody was dealt a crappy hand by life.

But if there are no special rules in place, there's not a lot you can do. I have no problem with it. The goal of any competitive event is to use your strengths, try to cover up your weaknesses, neutralize your opponent's strengths, and exploit his weaknesses. As far as I can tell, that's what this guy is doing.

 

[hotdogface9]

I've given it a week... and still want to discuss it... Regarding Anthony Robles, ASU one-legged

Because if you in fact wrestled, you would realize that the 'advantages' of having one leg are far, far outwieghed by the disadvantages. So, I would find something else to get bent out of shape about.</p>

 

[missouridawg]

I've given it a week... and still want to discuss it... Regarding Anthony Robles, ASU one-legged

.

 

[DAWG61]

I've given it a week... and still want to discuss it... Regarding Anthony Robles, ASU one-legged

**** about wrestling but it seems to me having one leg would be more of a disadvantage. 2 legs are much stronger than an extra 20 lbs of upper body weight. What about daily routine and training? The guy with 2 legs has a supreme advantage their. They will figure out a move or strategy to counter balance the "missing leg move" in wrestling and future 1 leggers will have it much more difficult. Robles, just like every other aspect in life is the beneficiary of doing it first. Congrats to him he came up with the idea first. Now the loophole will be closed.

 

[jmbeck]

I've given it a week... and still want to discuss it... Regarding Anthony Robles, ASU one-legged

In his career, he was 86-23. He was a state champion in high school.

Rather than to postulate "Wow, this guy is an incredible athlete despite his difficulties", your conclusion is "Well, this is ******** cheating."

You may want to stop while you're not as far behind as you're headed.